OT: 2021 Football Thread - Part II

[bernmeister]

my first thought was 4+ weeks staying off his feet cannot be good for this guys body

I've said it before and I'll say it again....he's simply too damn big!. I get that there are rare OT's who are huge who don't have issues staying on the field but Becton is bigger than even them. 365 lbs is alot of weight to be carrying around and when your that big and you have knee or foot issues, they take a long time to heal as there is so much stress being put on them.

He needs to get down to 330 or so pounds, keep lifting the weights and he'll be even quicker and just as strong and more importantly he'll have a better chance of staying healthy. Unfortunately this looks like a lost year for him. We now need to hope that Moses can come in and do an adequate job or maybe put AVT at left tackle a position he played at USC.

It's not gonna be very easy to trim weight when he has a bum knee. He probably won't been be able to even ride a bike for a few weeks. When fat guys go out, I think it's a win if they just don't put on weight.

Hit the pool
burn calories
targeted exercised
no stress on the joints

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

. I'm sure all Rangers fans cared about 94 during 97-04.

They still care now.

As for the rest of tge dramatics I hope that was purposely overdone otherwise...damn dude. Theres celebrating the accomplishments of others, which is healthy fun. Then there's vicariously living through the accomplishments of others which starts to get a little much. And then there's living and dying by them.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Hit the pool
burn calories
targeted exercised
no stress on the joints

Very very true.

Dude needs an eating coach too. He might legit be unable to help himself.

 

[ponzu4u]

The GM Shuffle With Michael Lombardi And Adnan Virk


~35mins into the most recent podcast he starts talking about the Giants. Pretty brutal. Hard to argue with any of it. We are truly in a dark age.

 

[sbjnyc]

The GM Shuffle With Michael Lombardi And Adnan Virk


~35mins into the most recent podcast he starts talking about the Giants. Pretty brutal. Hard to argue with any of it. We are truly in a dark age.

Lombardi has been brutal on Gettleman for a long time. I think he's usually pretty accurate though he seems to pull his punches with his former organizations (Pats and Raiders).

 

[Hasbro]

I wonder if Mr. Hardass, Joe Judge, will take a lap after costing the team a timeout with one of the dumbest challenges I have ever seen.

So you’re saying he’s not one to Judge?

 

[Hunter Gathers]

The GM Shuffle With Michael Lombardi And Adnan Virk


~35mins into the most recent podcast he starts talking about the Giants. Pretty brutal. Hard to argue with any of it. We are truly in a dark age.

We definitely are. We are looking at a decade-long wilderness period unless something changes. We've already squandered at least two top 10 picks with Barkley and Jones.

 

[Maximus]

Some great first week fantasy matchups in our league. @nyr2k2 and @redwhiteandblue ended up being separated by 1.7 points. @Maximus and I are also going to be agonizingly close.

Thought you had me cooked HG especially when Jacobs scored his 2nd TD. Ravens D tho let you down surprisingly. Anyways great matchup and look forward to our next one...cheers!

 

[Maximus]

Was just reading about how 5 more Jets got hurt after the Panther game as the injuries keep piling on as if this team could really afford all that many....ugh!

Now maybe this is just me and maybe because it's because I follow this cursed team of ours more than any of the other teams in the NFL but does it not seem that the Jets every single year, invariably have more injuries than other teams in the league?

As I said I might be wrong about this but it sure seems when it comes to injury luck, we never ever get any love from the football gods in that regard. Heck now that I'm thinking about it, seems like the Mets also never get any luck from the baseball gods either when it comes to injuries.

 

[sbjnyc]

Was just reading about how 5 more Jets got hurt after the Panther game as the injuries keep piling on as if this team could really afford all that many....ugh!

Now maybe this is just me and maybe because it's because I follow this cursed team of ours more than any of the other teams in the NFL but does it not seem that the Jets every single year, invariably have more injuries than other teams in the league?

As I said I might be wrong about this but it sure seems when it comes to injury luck, we never ever get any love from the football gods in that regard. Heck now that I'm thinking about it, seems like the Mets also never get any luck from the baseball gods either when it comes to injuries.

It seems that every fanbase thinks that for their team. But look at the injuries on the Ravens.

 

[Maximus]

It seems that every fanbase thinks that for their team. But look at the injuries on the Ravens.

I hear ya and sure the Ravens injury situation at RB is a bit crazy. But let's be honest, injuries at RB are the easiest ones to deal with as there are tons of RB's out there. Picking up Lataveus Murray and Le'Veon Bell off the scrap heap isn't too horrible.

Jets have injuries all over the place at pretty much every unit(OLine,linebacker,Secondary, DLine,WR) I mean it's comical at this point. And it's alot harder to overcome than injuries to just one unit especially RB the easiest to overcome....that's all I'm saying.

But yeah I know every fanbase feels like this but it sure seems like we here in Jetland suffer more than most...heh!

 

[sbjnyc]

I hear ya and sure the Ravens injury situation at RB is a bit crazy. But let's be honest, injuries at RB are the easiest ones to deal with as there are tons of RB's out there. Picking up Lataveus Murray and Le'Veon Bell off the scrap heap isn't too horrible.

Jets have injuries all over the place at pretty much every unit(OLine,linebacker,Secondary, DLine,WR) I mean it's comical at this point. And it's alot harder to overcome than injuries to just one unit especially RB the easiest to overcome....that's all I'm saying.

But yeah I know every fanbase feels like this but it sure seems like we here in Jetland suffer more than most...heh!

Yeah I don't feel bad for the Ravens at all but its more than just RB. This is just the past few days.

Sep 10

Marcus PetersCB

StatusInjured reserve
Peters will be placed on IR Friday after suffering a torn ACL in practice.

Nick BoyleTE

StatusInjured reserve
Boyle (knee) will begin the season on IR Ryan Mink of the Ravens' official site reports.

Gus EdwardsRB

StatusInjured reserve
Edwards (knee) will be placed on IR by the Ravens.
Sep 9

Justice HillRB

StatusInjured reserve
Hill (Achilles), who had been waived-injured by the Ravens, reverted to IR on Thursday, per the NFL's official transaction log.

J.K. DobbinsRB

StatusInjured reserve
Dobbins underwent successful surgery to repair his torn ACL on Tuesday, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports.
Sep 3

Aaron CrawfordDT

StatusInjured reserve
Crawford (undisclosed) reverted to the Ravens' injured reserve Wednesday, Luke Jones of WNST reports.

Otaro AlakaLB

StatusInjured reserve
Alaka (undisclosed) reverted to the Ravens' injured reserve Wednesday, Luke Jones of WNST reports.
Sep 1

Miles BoykinWR

StatusInjured reserve
Boykin (hamstring) has been placed on IR by the Ravens.

Rashod BatemanWR

StatusInjured reserve
Bateman, who underwent groin surgery last month, has been placed on IR by the Ravens.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Thought you had me cooked HG especially when Jacobs scored his 2nd TD. Ravens D tho let you down surprisingly. Anyways great matchup and look forward to our next one...cheers!

Was a fun game to follow. I went to bed with a 60% chance of winning and I think the Raiders saw that and said, "Not so fast!"

 

[East Coast Bias]

I lost 2 starting RBs (Gus the bus and Mostert) already. Not great!

 

[RangerBlues]

It's not gonna be very easy to trim weight when he has a bum knee. He probably won't been be able to even ride a bike for a few weeks. When fat guys go out, I think it's a win if they just don't put on weight.

Perhaps not consuming 10K calories a day might help.

 

[nyr2k2]

Perhaps not consuming 10K calories a day might help.

Well sure, that's the "maintaining weight" part. You can't exercise so you have to somehow limit your caloric intake, but it's not like these guys can flip a switch and suddenly start eating regular diets. He's been conditioning himself for years to be at a certain weight. You can maybe drop a few pounds, but it's not like he's gonna come back in six weeks 30 pounds lighter.

I had a job in high school where I worked nights at a call center for a government contractor. I met this guy there that was, to that point in my life, the most overweight individual I had ever met. Vividly remember when his 600-pound rated chair broke and the managers were panicking because they didn't have anything that was bigger for him and their procurement process made it so it might take weeks to get. The guy ended up leaving a week or so later. I had a couple conversations and found out he had played college and a few preseason games (me and a coworker doubted this but did some research and verified what he said). Anyway, he said basically from age 10 on his coaches encouraged him to get big and stay big and no one ever taught him how to unlearn his diet habits. So when he was out of football in his early 20s, he just kept getting bigger. It was really sad--the dude made a comment to the effect of "they push you to get to this point, and now I'm here and I'm basically dead." Like he laughed when he said it but you knew he meant it and it was probably true. I wish I could remember his name.

Anyway, story not wholly related to Becton's situation but it is in that it's hard for these guys to lose weight, especially when they can't exercise.

 

[Maximus]

Well sure, that's the "maintaining weight" part. You can't exercise so you have to somehow limit your caloric intake, but it's not like these guys can flip a switch and suddenly start eating regular diets. He's been conditioning himself for years to be at a certain weight. You can maybe drop a few pounds, but it's not like he's gonna come back in six weeks 30 pounds lighter.

I had a job in high school where I worked nights at a call center for a government contractor. I met this guy there that was, to that point in my life, the most overweight individual I had ever met. Vividly remember when his 600-pound rated chair broke and the managers were panicking because they didn't have anything that was bigger for him and their procurement process made it so it might take weeks to get. The guy ended up leaving a week or so later. I had a couple conversations and found out he had played college and a few preseason games (me and a coworker doubted this but did some research and verified what he said). Anyway, he said basically from age 10 on his coaches encouraged him to get big and stay big and no one ever taught him how to unlearn his diet habits. So when he was out of football in his early 20s, he just kept getting bigger. It was really sad--the dude made a comment to the effect of "they push you to get to this point, and now I'm here and I'm basically dead." Like he laughed when he said it but you knew he meant it and it was probably true. I wish I could remember his name.

Anyway, story not wholly related to Becton's situation but it is in that it's hard for these guys to lose weight, especially when they can't exercise.

Agreed that exercise helps as far as losing weight but cutting down caloric content and lowering your carbs and sugar is just as if not more important IMO. One can easily lose a ton of weight even with no excercise at all just by doing what I just mentioned.

I'll just use me as an example seeing I'm a pretty big guy. I'm 6'2" big frame and in October of 2019, I got up to 350 lbs....not a missprint. In HS where I played football I was 235 and even in college when you eat anything you see and typically at 2-3:00 in the morning, most I got up to was 250. So I've always been in pretty darn good shape.

Fast forward to 2016...I had just gotten divorced, my job wasn't going to great and so I slowly but surely started to eat and not give a crap...was pretty down in the dumps as far as my personal life was concerned.

Anyways in October of '19, I had finally had enough as I hated the way I looked and more importantly the way I felt health wise. So I went to a nutritionist and we went over my eating habits and it was decided that a keto style diet...no carbs...no sugars along with keeping caloric content around 1500 or so, would be the best way for me to drop the weight.

Well it worked smashingly. I dropped 50 lbs within first 4 months with no excercise to speak of and as of today as we speak after having joined a gym during covid, I am down to 270 with 20 more to go. But I feel and look as good as I have since my mid 40's.

Bottom line and why I even bring me up is if Becton wants to lose 30-40 lbs with no exercise, he easily can do it as all he needs to do is cut out the carbs and sugars for a few months and voila....he'd be down to 325-330 by time he was able to play again. And as I said earlier when I brought up this weight issue with him, a body his size cannot sustain the punishment that occurs in the NFL. He has to drop the weight otherwise and I hate to say it cause it would suck for all of us Jet fans, but Becton will be out of the league in a few years as he'll constantly be getting hurt.

 

[nyr2k2]

Agreed that exercise helps as far as losing weight but cutting down caloric content and lowering your carbs and sugar is just as if not more important IMO. One can easily lose a ton of weight even with no excercise at all just by doing what I just mentioned.

I'll just use me as an example seeing I'm a pretty big guy. I'm 6'2" big frame and in October of 2019, I got up to 350 lbs....not a missprint. In HS where I played football I was 235 and even in college when you eat anything you see and typically at 2-3:00 in the morning, most I got up to was 250. So I've always been in pretty darn good shape.

Fast forward to 2016...I had just gotten divorced, my job wasn't going to great and so I slowly but surely started to eat and not give a crap...was pretty down in the dumps as far as my personal life was concerned.

Anyways in October of '19, I had finally had enough as I hated the way I looked and more importantly the way I felt health wise. So I went to a nutritionist and we went over my eating habits and it was decided that a keto style diet...no carbs...no sugars along with keeping caloric content around 1500 or so, would be the best way for me to drop the weight.

Well it worked smashingly. I dropped 50 lbs within first 4 months with no excercise to speak of and as of today as we speak after having joined a gym during covid, I am down to 270 with 20 more to go. But I feel and look as good as I have since my mid 40's.

Bottom line and why I even bring me up is if Becton wants to lose 30-40 lbs with no exercise, he easily can do it as all he needs to do is cut out the carbs and sugars for a few months and voila....he'd be down to 325-330 by time he was able to play again. And as I said earlier when I brought up this weight issue with him, a body his size cannot sustain the punishment that occurs in the NFL. He has to drop the weight otherwise and I hate to say it cause it would suck for all of us Jet fans, but Becton will be out of the league in a few years as he'll constantly be getting hurt.

Your point is well-taken that making wholesale changes in diet can lead to a significant weight loss on its own.

That said, and with all due respect, I doubt your 350 looked like Becton's 365 (correct me if I'm wrong). Becton and other NFL lineman may be fat guys, but they're not quivering balls of blubber--they're incredibly powerful individuals, many of whom could be power lifters if football hadn't worked out for them. They ARE in shape, just in a different sense that what we normally mean because they're not cut, they can't run fast 40's (some of them can, LOL), whatever. They're massively strong, agile, individuals.

So, maybe Becton can lose 10 pounds in a few weeks while he's inactive by changing his diet; but what happens when he's back on his feet exercising? Lineman can't sustain their playing weights during the season while working out and practicing as NFL players do while also focusing heavily on dieting. Or, they shouldn't try to. The off-season is the time to focus on a diet plan that helps you get down to a healthier weight/a weight the team feels you'd be at your best, not a 4-6 week surgery and rehab period. That's why we always read about how teams ask guys to come in at certain weights when OTAs start, and there's always a bunch of guys who come in overweight. The time to tinker with your diet and drop pounds is not in the middle of the season. And for Becton, this period is for him to focusing on coming back 100%. If he sheds a few pounds, cool, but that shouldn't be the focus and it's not even clear based on the injuries we've seen with him, whether that would even help him in any way.

EDIT: I also just wanted to add that of the injuries he's had since college--rolled ankle, that shoulder injury that the Jets totally botched, the weird chest contusion where he couldn't breathe, the plantar fasciitis, and know a dislocated knee cap--really only the plantar fasciitis would on the surface seem to be a direct result of him being a big guy. And with the plantar fasciitis, really anyone who has a high BMI is at risk of that. Becton would have to lose like 100 pounds to take himself out of that risk category which obviously isn't feasible for him as a pro. My point is, I think the guy is just injury prone. There's obviously reason to worry about him potentially getting bigger, but where is right now I don't think is a problem.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Hit the pool
burn calories
targeted exercised
no stress on the joints

i am eagerly awaiting your posts “the Jets need Evan Neal!!!!”

I like him too.

 

[bernmeister]

i am eagerly awaiting your posts “the Jets need Evan Neal!!!!”

I like him too.

Sad to say, bern is a busy guy these days and I will rely on you and the rest of the group to keep me in the loop on our options.

 

[sabremike]

Who gets traded first?

Deshaun Watson or Jack Eichel



Sources: Texans want 6 players, picks for Watson

Watson has his legal issues. Eichel has his health issues. Both teams are not budging. No team is willing to pay the asking price.

“A home is worth a what a buyer is willing to pay for it." and “What a buyer wants and what an appraiser says is irrelevant, and that goes for any home.”

Watson's next team might be in the Harris County Penal League.

 

[RangerBlues]

Well sure, that's the "maintaining weight" part. You can't exercise so you have to somehow limit your caloric intake, but it's not like these guys can flip a switch and suddenly start eating regular diets. He's been conditioning himself for years to be at a certain weight. You can maybe drop a few pounds, but it's not like he's gonna come back in six weeks 30 pounds lighter.

I had a job in high school where I worked nights at a call center for a government contractor. I met this guy there that was, to that point in my life, the most overweight individual I had ever met. Vividly remember when his 600-pound rated chair broke and the managers were panicking because they didn't have anything that was bigger for him and their procurement process made it so it might take weeks to get. The guy ended up leaving a week or so later. I had a couple conversations and found out he had played college and a few preseason games (me and a coworker doubted this but did some research and verified what he said). Anyway, he said basically from age 10 on his coaches encouraged him to get big and stay big and no one ever taught him how to unlearn his diet habits. So when he was out of football in his early 20s, he just kept getting bigger. It was really sad--the dude made a comment to the effect of "they push you to get to this point, and now I'm here and I'm basically dead." Like he laughed when he said it but you knew he meant it and it was probably true. I wish I could remember his name.

Anyway, story not wholly related to Becton's situation but it is in that it's hard for these guys to lose weight, especially when they can't exercise.

If the guy does not change his habits his body will not hold up.

 

[nyr2k2]

If the guy does not change his habits his body will not hold up.

Yeah, I don't really disagree, seems like he probably needs to drop 30 pounds or so. He is 6'7", which is a few inches taller than average, so he's going to be heavier as well. But the 360-370 range seems to be too much, even if really only one of his ailments can be chalked up to his weight.

That said, I still don't feel that a 4-6 week rehab period is the appropriate time to try to be dropping weight.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Saquon already questionable for tomorrow lol.

Just cut bait on him already. He's never going to be healthy.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Saquon already questionable for tomorrow lol.

Just cut bait on him already. He's never going to be healthy.

he still going to be great yet i wouldn’t bank on long term.