2021 Expansion Draft Discussion

[Brian39]

I hope the Kraken select Price, stash him on LTIR all season, spend to the cap using that LTIR space, and then start a healthy Price in game 1 of the Stanley Cup playoffs.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I hope the Kraken select Price, stash him on LTIR all season, spend to the cap using that LTIR space, and then start a healthy Price in game 1 of the Stanley Cup playoffs.

Bergevin would go from hero to villain in record time if Price were picked. But maybe Jake Allen would win the Vezina in this bizarro world.

 

[joe galiba]

when they exposed Price, and the came out and said his knee was hurt, and, by the way, he may have a hip problem - all I could think of is Caddyshack and Rodney Dangerfield "Ooh, my arm! it's broken!"

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[WeWentBlues]

This could hurt a little, depending on what the total deal looks like.

However, having 7.5M off the books and keeping Dunn (to either extend or trade after the expansion draft), lessens the blow. Let's see what route Seattle takes.

If Seattle drafts Tarasenko, retains 30-50%, and deals him to the Flyers for Voracek and 13th overall, I really will not be sweating that.

 

[BlueDream]

Strickland saying that if Seattle takes Tarasenko, he won’t be playing for them, it will be because of a trade to another team.

I think that Philly rumor is legit.

 

[MissouriMook]

This could hurt a little, depending on what the total deal looks like.

However, having 7.5M off the books and keeping Dunn (to either extend or trade after the expansion draft), lessens the blow. Let's see what route Seattle takes.

If Seattle drafts Tarasenko, retains 30-50%, and deals him to the Flyers for Voracek and 13th overall, I really will not be sweating that.

I am currently of the opinion that what we could get for Dunn after the expansion draft will be greater than what we could get for Tarasenko after the expansion draft without retaining money. At this point, I feel like Seattle will be doing us a favor if they take Tarasenko because I expect there is about a 99% chance that the one of those two that they pass on will get traded before the end of the weekend anyway. I also believe that extra cap space is more valuable at this point than a 5-10% better return on the deal, but YMMV.

 

[Thallis]

I am currently of the opinion that what we could get for Dunn after the expansion draft will be greater than what we could get for Tarasenko after the expansion draft without retaining money. At this point, I feel like Seattle will be doing us a favor if they take Tarasenko because I expect there is about a 99% chance that the one of those two that they pass on will get traded before the end of the weekend anyway. I also believe that extra cap space is more valuable at this point than a 5-10% better return on the deal, but YMMV.

I agree, and I think that's ultimately why we exposed Tarasenko. Big shiny name to distract from Dunn while we work on a better deal for Dunn.

 

[Blueswin]

I am currently of the opinion that what we could get for Dunn after the expansion draft will be greater than what we could get for Tarasenko after the expansion draft without retaining money. At this point, I feel like Seattle will be doing us a favor if they take Tarasenko because I expect there is about a 99% chance that the one of those two that they pass on will get traded before the end of the weekend anyway. I also believe that extra cap space is more valuable at this point than a 5-10% better return on the deal, but YMMV.

Agreedy!

 

[Ranksu]

Is that allowed?

 

[Frenzy31]

Is that allowed?

That is a regurgitation of the Phili rumor.

My guess is Phili and Armstrong had spoken about a deal. Armstrong wasn’t interested in JV for 3 more years at 8.25 million so he pawned the deal off on Seattle who was and it seems like they will get an extra 1st out of the deal.

 

[TheDizee]

Strickland saying that if Seattle takes Tarasenko, he won’t be playing for them, it will be because of a trade to another team.

I think that Philly rumor is legit.

could happen if philly is stupid enough to severely overpay for it to happen

i think they take dunn still

 

[Ranksu]

could happen if philly is stupid enough to severely overpay for it to happen

i think they take dunn still

I agree. Seattle will take Dunn. Top4 dmen. Cheaper than Krug and potentially same player. We forgot Dunn is just 24-years old. He hasnt get opportunity in here. He will could totally different in Seattle. Look how well Edmundson played in Habs.

 

[Brian39]

I'm not sure I take Voracek and a 1st for Tarasenko (at 50% retained) if I'm Seattle. I think that they could get more out of eating that much cap space, but maybe they are higher on Voracek than I am. Let's say they retain $2.75M of Tarasenko's $7.5M cap hit in that trade. That means that they are eating up $11M of their cap space for the next 2 years AND using 1 of their 3 salary retention slots in order to acquire Voracek and the 13 overall in a draft that is viewed somewhere in between "weak" and "total crapshoot due to COVID severely limiting scouting opportunities." That seems like a poor way to allocate $11M of cap space even before you consider that this deal also eats up their expansion draft selection from us.

Again, I might just have too low of an opinion on Voracek, but I just don't see him as being worth anything close to his $8.25M at this point. He turns 32 in a month and I don't think the 66 point pace player he has been for the last 3 years is going to continue when he isn't playing the large majority of his minutes with Giroux and Couts. I think he can be a 65 point guy with a legit top 20 center, but is Seattle going to get one of those? If not, who is he on their top line? A 55 point guy? If you're spending $11M on that 55 point guy (plus the 1st rounder), what would you say you're overpaying by? $5M? So is "overpaying" by $5M in back to back seasons really worth a single 1st round pick in a weird draft? In a flat cap league, I think you can get yourself more assets for eating $10M of total bad money.

If I'm Seattle, I think I'd rather just keep Tarasenko at $7.5M per, play him like a star player and hope that he returns to form. 2 year risk instead of 3, it costs me $7.5M against the cap instead of $11M for those 2 years and if he returns to being a 30 goal guy I can get a better return either at the trade deadline or next summer (or just keep him because he has become a franchise player).

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I agree. Seattle will take Dunn. Top4 dmen. Cheaper than Krug and potentially same player. We forgot Dunn is just 24-years old. He hasnt get opportunity in here. He will could totally different in Seattle. Look how well Edmundson played in Habs.

We act like Dunn is top 4D but Berube and Army have never trusted him as one.

 

[Celtic Note]

I think Seattle has to go for a few home run picks even if cost the having an overpaid player taking up cap space. They need some good and marketable players to generate excitement.

 

[Vektor]

We act like Dunn is top 4D but Berube and Army have never trusted him as one.

Idk what player a lot of fans are watching but the Dunn I've watched has never looked like a top four guy. I don't think he's bad but he's not top four on this roster.

 

[Beauterham]

Apparantly Kerfoot is Seattle's choice from Toronto. There's a video on the tradeforum boards where Kerfoot was shooting a vid on the Seattle fishmarket with Weekes.


It wouldn't surprise me if there is a deal in place for Seattle to take Kerfoot, so Toronto can keep McCann: it otherwise makes no sense for the Leafs to trade for McCann and immediatly lose him in the expansion draft.

 

[Thallis]

Apparantly Kerfoot is Seattle's choice from Toronto. There's a video on the tradeforum boards where Kerfoot was shooting a vid on the Seattle fishmarket with Weekes.


It wouldn't surprise me if there is a deal in place for Seattle to take Kerfoot, so Toronto can keep McCann: it otherwise makes no sense for the Leafs to trade for McCann and immediatly lose him in the expansion draft.

Kerfoot is possible, but they may be doing multiple takes for all the possible picks.

 

[Beauterham]

Kerfoot is possible, but they may be doing multiple takes for all the possible picks.

That could be true, however, If you were an NHL player that was exposed, would you fly all the way to Seattle to partake in a Kraken video if you're not sure you're going to be the one who is picked? I know Kerfoot is from Vancouver which is basicly around the corner, but still...

 

[Brian39]

Apparantly Kerfoot is Seattle's choice from Toronto. There's a video on the tradeforum boards where Kerfoot was shooting a vid on the Seattle fishmarket with Weekes.


It wouldn't surprise me if there is a deal in place for Seattle to take Kerfoot, so Toronto can keep McCann: it otherwise makes no sense for the Leafs to trade for McCann and immediatly lose him in the expansion draft.

I can't remember where I read it, but there was a breakdown somewhere that explained the reasoning for the Leafs and I have to say I agree. If McCann is selected, then the Leafs effectively traded Hallander and a 7th for Seattle to select no one.

 

[Beauterham]

I can't remember where I read it, but there was a breakdown somewhere that explained the reasoning for the Leafs and I have to say I agree. If McCann is selected, then the Leafs effectively traded Hallander and a 7th for Seattle to select no one.

This can be an explanation, however looking at the players the Leafs left unprotected there really isn't a lot of value besides McCann. Maybe Dermott, but I'm not high on him at all. I know it's not a lot, but why would you give up Hallander and a 7th to protect Wayne Simmonds?

 

[Brian39]

This can be an explanation, however looking at the players the Leafs left unprotected there really isn't a lot of value besides McCann. Maybe Dermott, but I'm not high on him at all. I know it's not a lot, but why would you give up Hallander and a 7th to protect Wayne Simmonds?

They wouldn't be. They would be paying that to protect Kerfoot and Dermott, who are the only guys that were really at risk of being selected. I think most people thought that Kerfoot was the obvious pick before this trade, so if Seattle selects McCann instead, it will turn in to the Leafs trading Hallander and a 7th to avoid losing Kerfoot (or anyone who was on the roster prior to the trade).

 

[Majorityof1]

This can be an explanation, however looking at the players the Leafs left unprotected there really isn't a lot of value besides McCann. Maybe Dermott, but I'm not high on him at all. I know it's not a lot, but why would you give up Hallander and a 7th to protect Wayne Simmonds?

Its to protect Kerfoot. Seattle is either taking McCann or Kerfoot. Whichever guy doesn't get picked fills the role Kerfoot had last year, 3rd line center that can kill penalties.

 

[Thallis]

That could be true, however, If you were an NHL player that was exposed, would you fly all the way to Seattle to partake in a Kraken video if you're not sure you're going to be the one who is picked? I know Kerfoot is from Vancouver which is basicly around the corner, but still...

I don't think it was Kerfoot in the video, I think it was an employee at Pike Market + Kevin Weekes