Prospect Info: 2021 2nd Rd Pick (#57 OA) - Matthew Knies (LW) - Tri-City (USHL)

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I stand corrected, there is obviously not a group of posters that have overestimated Leaf prospects over the past 10 years or so. :rolleyes:

Did you think on a message board with over a hundred thousand posters, you wouldn't find a few wackos on here?

Looks like I found one too :laugh:

You haven't made the point you think you did but you do you boo.
 
Did you think on a message board with over a hundred thousand posters, you wouldn't find a few wackos on here?

Looks like I found one too :laugh:

You haven't made the point you think you did but you do you boo.

Hey, I resemble that remark! :sarcasm:

Yes, I think the over-hyped not over-hyped argument has run its course.

I don't know how people could be thrilled with his WJC though.

In the world where "expected" has move value than "actuals" I suppose there is room for debate.

Just wish I could spend the "expected" returns this year rather than settle for the "actuals".
 
Hey, I resemble that remark! :sarcasm:

Yes, I think the over-hyped not over-hyped argument has run its course.

I don't know how people could be thrilled with his WJC though.

In the world where "expected" has move value than "actuals" I suppose there is room for debate.

Just wish I could spend the "expected" returns this year rather than settle for the "actuals".

I think we probably all put a little too much value into a 2 week tournament. This year is an even weirder year where the players all aren't in mid year form.
 
In past decade or so there were many fans certain all of these guys were going make an impact
Kenny Ryan
Jesse Blacker
Matt Frattin
Greg McKegg
Stuart Percy
Matt Finn
Jeremy Bracco
Nick Robertson
On that list I only recall Percy getting big hype on this forum.
Bracco was a mixed bag and leaning towards the wasted pick side.
The others had posters routing for them, as it should be, but ober hyped? I don't recall that.
Finally Robertson has yet to be a bust

What conclusions can we draw from the prospects having good tournaments?
That they had a good tournament
 
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Is there any reason Kadri should be placed above the team?
Nobody is placing him above the team. That's what you don't understand. People like you are the reason why fans here have a bad reputation, because you guys create controversies out of nothing. You keep saying things that aren't true.

Free pass? FREE PASS? Are you ****ing kidding me ULF? Do you even try anymore?

You know damn right Kadri has never gotten a free pass, from the day he was drafted. Everyone wanted MPS/Cowen if Brayden Schenn couldn't be had. Then people fabricate stories about his attitude issues and supposed 'issues' with coaches, yet Deboer, Hunter and Carlyle have all had positive things to say about him. Then at the World Juniors, he gets blamed for the U.S. OT goal, even though it was Pietrangelo who pinched up and chased after the puck in the offensive zone. Then Kadri doesn't tear it up at his second training camp, and he takes more heat from fans and media, including a ridiculous picture of him with a pacifier in his mouth on the Toronto Sun front page.

After playing very well in the AHL, he gets called up and does decently, only for Ronnie Wilson to throw him under the bus and say he has nasty habits even though he scored 2 assists and was one of the best forwards all game. Later on he gets yo-yo'd between the AHL and NHL, and is forced to play the wing even though he's clearly better at centre. The following training camp, he plays relatively well, but gets injured partway through, while everyone is gushing over Matt Frattin and saying how Frattin is apparently miles better than Kadri, with even Ronnie boy picking favourites. Kadri also adds mass like everyone wanted, but surprise surprise, his mobility is now hindered and he takes heat for that too of course. Finally, Rotten Ronnie is eventually fired, and Carlyle comes in and shows confidence in Kadri.

Oh and here comes the best part, Kadri works out with Roberts for the off-season, is noticeably stronger, leaner and faster, yet he's thrown under the bus for supposedly being fat and out of shape, which couldn't be further from the truth when his body fat had actually decreased from the prior year. After a slow start in the AHL, he tears it up and looks much faster and stronger on the ice, and it's clear that Roberts' training paid off. Of course, we all know what happened once the NHL season finally started again, and how he tore it up. But even then, he has detractors who say complain about him going cold at the end of the season and not dominating the playoffs, despite it being his first time actually sticking with the team for more than a few games.

And now this year, his first full season, he goes through a slump like any young player does yet gets blasted again and is subject to constant trade rumours from Darren Dreger, meanwhile linemate Joffrey Lupul is the one who ACTUALLY gets a free pass. And look, Kadri is producing now meanwhile Lupul is still not playing that well. Not to mention how Mason Raymond totally destroyed that line when he was on it.

As for the Kessel/JVR stuff, nobody said it was their 'fault'. A few people have criticized effort level, and to be honest the entire team minus the goalies and maybe Phaneuf were pretty damn underwhelming in that stretch during November and early December. Also, it's clear that Kadri simply doesn't have chemistry with both JVR and Kessel on his line. Kessel's stats are actually better with Kadri as his centre than anyone else, but it's a small sample size so I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into it. However, JVR's production decreases. Watching the games, it was pretty damn obvious why. Kadri is the best possession player on the team, and he needs the puck on his stick...then you have Kessel who also needs the puck. When the two of them are together, JVR gets completely neutralized in the process, which is exactly what happened. Bozak fits better because he peels back and lets Kessel carry the puck and transition with JVR.

So yeah, please don't ever say 'free pass' ever again, it just shows that this fanbase really has no idea what the hell they are talking about. Any other team except maybe Montreal would be glad to have a 23 year old talented centre who has the 3rd highest PPG from his draft class only behind studs like Tavares and Duchene.
From Kadri's 1st full season. It only adds to the false narrative some have made in this thread about Leafs fans overhyped prospects turning out bad. Me and many others spent so many times defending Kadri and actually hyped him a lot, while media and detractors started hyping Frattin of all people. Kadri is one of many examples of Leafs fans hyping prospects that turned out great. Too bad Leaf of Bead doesn't post here anymore because this post is one of the best I saw on this board.
You can read that thread. Amazing stuff
 
I don't take much from a tournament like this held in the middle of the summer, I would have been more concerned about him if it was held during the middle of the season and he was playing poorly, when you know hes been in action and warmed up for a few months.

All these kids haven't been in a game situation in a few months and are just starting to get back into the swing of hockey season, I haven't been impressed with Sweden or USA in general, and Sweden has 5-8 first round picks in their roster.
 
In past decade or so there were many fans certain all of these guys were going make an impact
Kenny Ryan
Jesse Blacker
Matt Frattin
Greg McKegg
Stuart Percy
Matt Finn
Jeremy Bracco
Nick Robertson
This is your list of prospects over the last 6 years who have overtly failed to deliver at the NHL level? Wow, not too often you see someone destroy their own argument like this
 
I stand corrected, there is obviously not a group of posters that have overestimated Leaf prospects over the past 10 years or so. :rolleyes:
Sure there were. There are for all teams. It wasn't to the extent that you thought, but Leaf fans are no different than fans of other teams.

This lineup needs Knies on the team badly.
I agree. I am willing to wait, but we need someone who plays his style.
 
Hey, I resemble that remark! :sarcasm:

Yes, I think the over-hyped not over-hyped argument has run its course.

I don't know how people could be thrilled with his WJC though.

In the world where "expected" has move value than "actuals" I suppose there is room for debate.

Just wish I could spend the "expected" returns this year rather than settle for the "actuals".
I don't think anyone was thrilled with his WJC - he didn't score , but he had a very good tournament. He was physical, his board work was excellent, his positing was excellent and he was a puckhound. He also should had a goal ( at least a point) on the long review and coaches challenge) I don't know how people could say he had a poor tournament,- he wasn't good in the QF but the whole team was flat.
 
Honestly i didnt put too much stock in this weirdly timed Tournament but what it does is relax a little of the over the top hype on this prospect. Noone needs that kinda pressure. I truly believe the kid will be a beauty.....lets let him become one instead of burying him under these huge expectations
 
In past decade or so there were many fans certain all of these guys were going make an impact
Kenny Ryan
Jesse Blacker
Matt Frattin
Greg McKegg
Stuart Percy
Matt Finn
Jeremy Bracco
Nick Robertson
Someone didn't watch game 7 2013 :sarcasm:

4-1, Frattin on a breakaway, dekes Rask, has him down and out, shoots the puck 10 feet wide. The rest is history

Also no, we were pretty certain they were busts and Burke was mocked for his "truculence" approach, drafting big plugs thinking it's 80s/90s hockey. I think Bracco/Finn were the only ones who we expected to be NHLers, Robertson will definitely be an NHL regular.
 
Hey y'all. Canes fan coming in peace. I'm surprised this hasn't been bumped in a while.

I was watching the Saturday night game between Minnesota and Michigan State as my buddy is a huge Gopher fan. Wow. Matthew Knies is the real deal. He was the best player on the ice. He has an NHL ready shot for sure. His line was just doing unfair things and were dangerous every shift. Jimmy Snuggerud was also great, and Logan Cooley a little less so. Knies for sure looks like NHL top 6 material, maybe a top liner. My buddy thinks he'll stay all 4 years but he is just a homer Gopher fan. For your sake, and for his development, I hope Knies goes pro and gets signed after the season ends.
 
Hey y'all. Canes fan coming in peace. I'm surprised this hasn't been bumped in a while.

I was watching the Saturday night game between Minnesota and Michigan State as my buddy is a huge Gopher fan. Wow. Matthew Knies is the real deal. He was the best player on the ice. He has an NHL ready shot for sure. His line was just doing unfair things and were dangerous every shift. Jimmy Snuggerud was also great, and Logan Cooley a little less so. Knies for sure looks like NHL top 6 material, maybe a top liner. My buddy thinks he'll stay all 4 years but he is just a homer Gopher fan. For your sake, and for his development, I hope Knies goes pro and gets signed after the season ends.
I think the hope is that he will sign after his season ends and slot into a bottom 6 role for the end of the season/playoffs. There seemed to be a bit of a decision for him to make to even return to school this year, which I do think was best for him that I doubt him staying all four years is ever going to happen. I agree with you though he plays a very pro style game that should adapt well.
 
I think the hope is that he will sign after his season ends and slot into a bottom 6 role for the end of the season/playoffs. There seemed to be a bit of a decision for him to make to even return to school this year, which I do think was best for him that I doubt him staying all four years is ever going to happen. I agree with you though he plays a very pro style game that should adapt well.
I have been watching him this year and he is just bigger and stronger than the players. H has had plenty of big crushing hits, garbage goals from in front of the net, and generally playing the power forward game to a T. Difference over last season is he seems stronger and playing with a more dominant role.
 
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I've watched a few games of his this year. He's not likely to be a play driver, but a really nice complimentary player, with some size, and not bad wheels. Hopefully he does join the Leafs after their season, as we could use more size on the wings.
 
I've watched a few games of his this year. He's not likely to be a play driver, but a really nice complimentary player, with some size, and not bad wheels. Hopefully he does join the Leafs after their season, as we could use more size on the wings.
Not sure if Knies would be ready or if the pressure may be too much but he’d slot in nicely next to Tavares and Marner. I mean you can put almost anyone next to those two players and they’ll probably look good but with Knies’ size, physicality, skating, shooting, etc it could be a really nice and easy transition for him.
 
I've watched a few games of his this year. He's not likely to be a play driver, but a really nice complimentary player, with some size, and not bad wheels. Hopefully he does join the Leafs after their season, as we could use more size on the wings.

Yeah I don't see him significantly changing how many chances a line generates but instead increasing the danger of every chance generated via tips and rebounds like JVR.
 

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