Speculation: 2021-22 Trade Thread VI : Who's your Dadonov?

[WhatTheDuck]

Boulguarts/broberg + 1st + Kassian

Is essentially the same as

Robertson + 1st + mrazek

Maybe aves offer girard +, or newhook + 1st, or even 2 1sts +

But again that is pretty close to the same deal, I think a lot of fans are over valuing what we can get for gibson at this point…. We saw it a lot in Manson/Rakell and lindholm trades.

Bourgault + 1st + dump
Robertson + 1st + dump

Are pretty equal, but I value Broberg so much more than either of those two. Out of the top prospects on those two teams

Broberg

Holloway
Knies

Sandin
Robertson
Bourgault

I don't know, maybe I'm allowing myself to be too tantalized by Broberg's physical tools, but I think his upside easily trumps these other guys. Obviously some risk reward there but I believe you are talking about a potential stud vs the rest looking like more high end support type guys. Wanted to put Sandin lower because I don't think he's a fit at all, or do I see much upside there. He's just safe because he's basically already arrived.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Bourgault + 1st + dump
Robertson + 1st + dump

Are pretty equal, but I value Broberg so much more than either of those two. Out of the top prospects on those two teams

Broberg

Holloway
Knies

Sandin
Robertson
Bourgault

I don't know, maybe I'm allowing myself to be too tantalized by Broberg's physical tools, but I think his upside easily trumps these other guys. Obviously some risk reward there but I believe you are talking about a potential stud vs the rest looking like more high end support type guys.

That’s fair , if your high on broberg that makes sense.

I have all those guys relatively in the same range, not sure any stand out much to me. But I’m pretty high on bourgault, think he has a high ceiling. I like robertsons game a lot… high energy sniper. Sandin is pretty meh in my viewings. Holloway and knies I think get over rated due to size…. Not that I don’t think they are solid

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

That's a lot more forceful than I first thought. Could always be lying but given there's a real opportunity to get cute with the phrasing I'm inclined to believe him a bit.

 

[tomd]

And before someone comes back with "but the pandemic", the only people who made money in the last 2.5 years are the super rich.

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Are the Samuelis part of this? Who can say, but I would bet they are doing just fine.

A lot of that wealth has diasppeared in the last 6-9 months and more is very likely to disappear in the next 6-9 months.

As usual, I can't read the article but I hope Stephens isn't suggesting that the Ducks are buyers this summer.

 

[Tactical Quack]

And before someone comes back with "but the pandemic", the only people who made money in the last 2.5 years are the super rich.

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Are the Samuelis part of this? Who can say, but I would bet they are doing just fine.

Covid was the biggest transfer of wealth in the history of the world. The only way to conquer America is the destruction of the middle class

 

[Duck Off]

I think Edmonton has the best potential offer in a Gibson deal. The only question is if Gibson is willing to go there.

Agreed, though if the Avs put Newhook on the table, they’d have the edge imo

 

[All Mighty]

Agreed, though if the Avs put Newhook on the table, they’d have the edge imo

Considering they are about to lose Kadri, I’m guessing Newhook isn’t going anywhere.

 

[ADHB]

A lot of that wealth has diasppeared in the last 6-9 months and more is very likely to disappear in the next 6-9 months.


As usual, I can't read the article but I hope Stephens isn't suggesting that the Ducks are buyers this summer.

We get it, you don’t subscribe to the Athletic and don’t believe in paywalls. There’s no need to take a jab at that every time someone links an article from there.

 

[tomd]

We get it, you don’t subscribe to the Athletic and don’t believe in paywalls. There’s no need to take a jab at that every time someone links an article from there.

Definitely wasn't meant as a jab. I think a lot of people are in my shoes and can't read the article. It would be helpful if whoever is posting the article could just provide a summary of the main points. If it wasn't me asking it would have been someone else.

And to the point of my previous post, is Stephens actually proposing that the Ducks use their draft capital to be buyers this summer?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

A lot of that wealth has diasppeared in the last 6-9 months and more is very likely to disappear in the next 6-9 months.


As usual, I can't read the article but I hope Stephens isn't suggesting that the Ducks are buyers this summer.

Just list a lot of RFA, trade targets on the younger side.

The market is pretty over saturated right now… it could very well be a good time to grab a player PV might not be able to grab next offseason…. And adding 1 of these guys doesn’t mean we’re buying to be contenders, it’s just a piece to help build for the future

 

[ADHB]

Definitely wasn't meant as a jab. I think a lot of people are in my shoes and can't read the article. It would be helpful if whoever is posting the article could just provide a summary of the main points. If it wasn't me asking it would have been someone else.

And to the point of my previous post, is Stephens actually proposing that the Ducks use their draft capital to be buyers this summer?

No offense intended, but to my recollection you’ve made the same remark a bunch of times recently so it comes off as complaining that you can’t read it. If you want someone to summarize, you could just say “for those of us who don’t subscribe, can someone post the main talking points” or something like that, as opposed to… ”of course I can’t read it because of the paywall.”

It’s just a list of players that would be worth looking at if they’re attempting to upgrade through the trade market, in different categories as far as being realistic or not.

 

[tomd]

No offense intended, but you’ve made the same remark a bunch of times recently so it comes off as complaining that you can’t read it.

It’s just a list of players that would be worth looking at if they’re attempting to upgrade through the trade market, in different categories as far as being realistic or not.

Thanks...I promise not to mention that I'm not a subsriber again

 

[ADHB]

Thanks...I promise not to mention that I'm not a subsriber again

Didn’t mean to come off sounding harsh. I edited my reply with a little constructive advice. No worries.

 

[Rybread86]

That's a lot more forceful than I first thought. Could always be lying but given there's a real opportunity to get cute with the phrasing I'm inclined to believe him a bit.

It could just be an agent covering his ass too. The way the original rumor was reported it didnt sound like Gibson was mad or was demanding a trade, so agent and GM might just not want this stuff out there or to be taken out of context. Easiest way to stop it from spinning is to squash it.

 

[ohcomeonref]

Gibson demanding to be traded is a problem, Gibson being open to being traded is an opportunity. I'm interested to see what comes of this. It's possible the success of PVs entire tenure here rests on his moves this summer. He could set us way back or set us right up.

 

[Static]

A lot of that wealth has diasppeared in the last 6-9 months and more is very likely to disappear in the next 6-9 months.

If there is anything one can trust billionaires to do, remaining rich is number one. There is no excuse for any owner of a team in the major four sports to skimp other than for the sake of being cheap.

 

[tomd]

If there is anything one can trust billionaires to do, remaining rich is number one. There is no excuse for any owner of a team in the major four sports to skimp other than for the sake of being cheap.

No real disagreement. But if I'm ownership I'm probably planning to spend near the floor the help offset the lower gate revenues.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

It could just be an agent covering his ass too. The way the original rumor was reported it didnt sound like Gibson was mad or was demanding a trade, so agent and GM might just not want this stuff out there or to be taken out of context. Easiest way to stop it from spinning is to squash it.

It can also be Gibson trying to dictate where he's traded to. Someone leaked this, probably a rival team that wants him

It can also be Verbeek and Gibson agreed to look at his market and go from there

 

[Static]

No real disagreement. But if I'm ownership I'm probably planning to spend near the floor the help offset the lower gate revenues.

If a team isn't expected to compete then I dont have much of an issue, but owners who are serious about winning should be sinking the money that isn't going to the roster into R&D. Maybe the Samuelis have been, but news that the franchise has only just been getting up to speed in the world of analytics in the last year would suggest otherwise.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Cross the Sabres off the list of teams looking to get Gibson.

 

[Deuce22]

If there is anything one can trust billionaires to do, remaining rich is number one. There is no excuse for any owner of a team in the major four sports to skimp other than for the sake of being cheap.

Impossible for me to know the motives of billionaires. I think that some buy sports franchises because they like sports and want to win. I think others see the team as an investment and are more concerned with the bottom line.

 

[duckpuck]

From my perspective, I see no reason to trade Gibson for less than a very strong return, which I define as a first, a top prospect (better than Robertson), and at least a decent third piece. If a cap dump is coming back to the ducks, then I want more.

The reason is that trading Gibson now just creates a hole on the ducks roster. You can easily plug the hole with a passable UFA goalie and Stolarz may step up - I'm not worried about that. But if there's not a great offer, I'd rather keep him another year or 2 until Dostal (or perhaps another young goalie prospect) is ready to take over.

Gibson's contract doesn't bother me one bit. Wait until the UFA goalies sign this summer and Gibson's contract will look even better. Grubauer got 6 x $5.9 last summer and Markstrom got 6 x $6M a few years back (so did Binnington). Demcko got (!) 5 x $5 . If an average starting goalies is $5-6M, then Gibson at $6.4 is not an issue. With each passing year, Gibson's contract AAV and term (currentlys 5 x $6.4) will look more attractive - not less.

 

[Static]

Impossible for me to know the motives of billionaires. I think that some buy sports franchises because they like sports and want to win. I think others see the team as an investment and are more concerned with the bottom line.

To be honest I think most see them as vanity projects, expensive toys. There is also a certain prestige afforded to franchise owners, something that's rare even among the super rich.

 

[tomd]

Cross the Sabres off the list of teams looking to get Gibson.

Why do you say that?

 

[bsu]

From my perspective, I see no reason to trade Gibson for less than a very strong return, which I define as a first, a top prospect (better than Robertson), and at least a decent third piece. If a cap dump is coming back to the ducks, then I want more.

The reason is that trading Gibson now just creates a hole on the ducks roster. You can easily plug the hole with a passable UFA goalie and Stolarz may step up - I'm not worried about that. But if there's not a great offer, I'd rather keep him another year or 2 until Dostal (or perhaps another young goalie prospect) is ready to take over.

Gibson's contract doesn't bother me one bit. Wait until the UFA goalies sign this summer and Gibson's contract will look even better. Grubauer got 6 x $5.9 last summer and Markstrom got 6 x $6M a few years back (so did Binnington). Demcko got (!) 5 x $5 . If an average starting goalies is $5-6M, then Gibson at $6.4 is not an issue. With each passing year, Gibson's contract AAV and term (currentlys 5 x $6.4) will look more attractive - not less.

I'm good either way. If we get a good return awesome if we keep him then we got a top 7 goalie in the league regardless of how shitty this team is.