Speculation: 2021-22 Trade Thread VI : Who's your Dadonov?

[KyleJRM]

1 in 3 on the second rounders would be very good.

 

[KyleJRM]

If second or later round picks aren't going to get much why are we taking cap dumps to add them? I'm so sick of hearing about more shots at the lottery that is the amateur draft. It's an import part of a successful franchise no doubt but it CANT be the sole source of building.

Because it's better than nothing.

 

[StarDucks]

If second or later round picks aren't going to get much why are we taking cap dumps to add them? I'm so sick of hearing about more shots at the lottery that is the amateur draft. It's an import part of a successful franchise no doubt but it CANT be the sole source of building.

Largely agree with what you are saying. But VP has opened sooo many holes on this roster I don’t see how he fills them by spending draft capital/ prospects on nhl ready talent. And if the team is going to suck anyways is it a good idea to be blowing all of the draft capital?

There’s a very fine line he needs to walk in order to successfully spend draft capital on long term pieces while simultaneously being sensitive to the fact that in the near term we are going to suck anyways. Which in important to call out for the sake of saving enough of that capital around to actually take advantage of the fact that we will suck.

I’m not confident he can walk that line

 

[KyleJRM]

We don't really know what he has planned yet. He's created a nice blank canvas of cap space, draft picks and young assets, but I have no idea what he plans to do with all that. I'm definitely curious, a little bit optimistic and a little bit skeptical.

 

[DavidBL]

Largely agree with what you are saying. But VP has opened sooo many holes on this roster I don’t see how he fills them by spending draft capital/ prospects on nhl ready talent. And if the team is going to suck anyways is it a good idea to be blowing all of the draft capital?

There’s a very fine line he needs to walk in order to successfully spend draft capital on long term pieces while simultaneously being sensitive to the fact that in the near term we are going to suck anyways. Which in important to call out for the sake of saving enough of that capital around to actually take advantage of the fact that we will suck.

I’m not confident he can walk that line

I guess that's my issue. This team did not suck before the TDL. It was shallow yes. Injuries and covid made that painfully evident. If anything it shows how razor thin the margin is. Guys like Raks and Manson we can replace. I think we could even save on Lindholm by getting a guy a bit less dynamic but D focused. You can argue that we tried to replace Raks with Dadynov which is honestly the bigger loss of that trade being canceled. The objective should have been to get deeper. As of now we have gotten even shallower. Now at the TDL I said I'd wait to judge PV until this summer so he gets the benefit of the doubt of still being able to refill holes he created at the TDL. He absolutely does not do that in the short term by using his picks to draft. That puts us back 3-4 years. That's not moving the team forward and if that his direction then I think he made a mistake. There are too many unknowns and frankly he is going to piss off the players he does have if he ices a team like has right now next year. Professionals don't want to lose. If PV doesn't make reasonable efforts to make this team better then he won't be able to resign anyone. You can already see the frustration in Zegras. Are we going to gamble his willingness to stay by icing a poor team for the sake of draft picks?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I’d argue the team needs 3 top 4 defensemen(one of which is top pairing) and how many top 6 forwards? 4? At least one of which needs to be 1st line quality.

How are they filling all those holes?

Zegras is 1c
Terry is top 6 winger

Fowler is a 2/3

Mctavish should potentially be the 2c
Lundy 3c
Drysdale should potentially be a top pair dmen

Comtois perreault look to be at least middle 6 guys

Gibson our goalie, dostal looks like he’ll be able to take over down the line.


We’re missing I’d say a legit top line winger…. And a legit top pairing dmen. Then we’re missing a middle pairing dmen(shutdown guy), and another top 6 winger, doesn’t have to be elite… someone that can move up and down your top 9 and be productive. The latter 2 won’t be too hard to fix, but the top line winger, and the top pairing dmen is gunna take some work

 

[Leonardo87]

So with Getz officially not coming back, this is next season…

???? - Zegras - ????
???? - Henrique - Terry
Comtois - Lundy - Silf
Jones - Grant - ????

This is basically who is signed through next year, not sure what will happen with Milano, Steel, or Carrick. Also, not sure if Comtois will be here either, if he is traded in a package.

Then there is McTavish and Perrault who could both make the Ducks next season, likely more McTavish than Perreault though.

Fill those holes, Verbeek!!

 

[ohcomeonref]

So with Getz officially not coming back, this is next season…

???? - Zegras - ????
???? - Henrique - Terry
Comtois - Lundy - Silf
Jones - Grant - ????

This is basically who is signed through next year, not sure what will happen with Milano, Steel, or Carrick. Also, not sure if Comtois will be here either, if he is traded in a package.

Then there is McTavish and Perrault who could both make the Ducks next season, likely more McTavish than Perreault though.

Fill those holes, Verbeek!!

I don't want Milano back, dude's an anchor and not what Z needs on his line at all. Z needs a tough energy guy who can hound the puck and a skilled finisher/passer ideally.

 

[Leonardo87]

I don't want Milano back, dude's an anchor and not what Z needs on his line at all. Z needs a tough energy guy who can hound the puck and a skilled finisher/passer ideally.

Yeah I think Milano is not the guy. He needs a goal scorer sniper who can also make plays on one wing and a power forward who can create space, win puck battles on the board and crash the net on the other. Needs a Chris Kreider type. Lol.

It’s disappointing with Comtois, thought he could have been that guy on LW. Oh well.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Milano's a tough one. On one hand he doesn't really bring enough to the table to be a guy you need to keep around and plays at arguably the teams most crowded position. On the other he could be a keystone in the sense that he could be a cheaper compliment on a line with Zegras based on chemistry alone similar to how the Penguins were solid contenders forever with Pascal Dupuis as RW1, it's something you can't overlook.

It's also tough to see how management would feel, given his results aren't great but he also brings two qualities they've said they want to bolster, speed and a motor. I guess it depends what it takes to sign him, too, which might be even harder to handicap.

 

[dracom]

if Milano can come back on cheap and short bridge deal then I see no reason to not do that. our wing situation sucks right now and we have a lot of cap space. I don't think it really hurts us to keep him for like 3 years

 

[MMC]

Flip Milano and Steel, re-sign Carrick and Mayhew, go either way with Comtois.

 

[StarDucks]

I guess that's my issue. This team did not suck before the TDL. It was shallow yes. Injuries and covid made that painfully evident. If anything it shows how razor thin the margin is. Guys like Raks and Manson we can replace. I think we could even save on Lindholm by getting a guy a bit less dynamic but D focused. You can argue that we tried to replace Raks with Dadynov which is honestly the bigger loss of that trade being canceled. The objective should have been to get deeper. As of now we have gotten even shallower. Now at the TDL I said I'd wait to judge PV until this summer so he gets the benefit of the doubt of still being able to refill holes he created at the TDL. He absolutely does not do that in the short term by using his picks to draft. That puts us back 3-4 years. That's not moving the team forward and if that his direction then I think he made a mistake. There are too many unknowns and frankly he is going to piss off the players he does have if he ices a team like has right now next year. Professionals don't want to lose. If PV doesn't make reasonable efforts to make this team better then he won't be able to resign anyone. You can already see the frustration in Zegras. Are we going to gamble his willingness to stay by icing a poor team for the sake of draft picks?

I fully agree with you, which is why I think not resigning the two defensemen was stupid.

I just don’t see how spending all the capital you just got, plus a lot more just to get back to the same Anaheim ducks we had in December makes a ton of sense either.

His supporters keep saying “well now he has a clean slate to start with!” As if that’s a good thing. Expansion teams have clean slates too, and most of them take a decade to be good at hockey

 

[StarDucks]

Zegras is 1c
Terry is top 6 winger

Fowler is a 2/3

Mctavish should potentially be the 2c
Lundy 3c
Drysdale should potentially be a top pair dmen

Comtois perreault look to be at least middle 6 guys

Gibson our goalie, dostal looks like he’ll be able to take over down the line.


We’re missing I’d say a legit top line winger…. And a legit top pairing dmen. Then we’re missing a middle pairing dmen(shutdown guy), and another top 6 winger, doesn’t have to be elite… someone that can move up and down your top 9 and be productive. The latter 2 won’t be too hard to fix, but the top line winger, and the top pairing dmen is gunna take some work

Zegras isn’t #1 center yet.
Mctavish may potentially be a #2 C but he’s how many years away from being that if ever? Same response with Drysdale .

You can’t pencil in either Comtios or Perrault in the top 6 right now. This team legitimately needs an entire 2nd line, another top line winger, at least 1 top pairing defensemen, and at least another legit top 4 guy (even if you pencil Drysdale in the top 4 which I don’t agree with) .

 

[bsu]

Zegras won't be a true #1 center even next season. He's elite at somethings and horrible at others still. Drysdale is 2-3 years away from being reliable. Zegras and/or McTavish might be better off as wingers (Zegras like Kane and McTavish a goal scorer winger/center like Benn. We'll see how they develop.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Zegras isn’t #1 center yet.
Mctavish may potentially be a #2 C but he’s how many years away from being that if ever? Same response with Drysdale .

You can’t pencil in either Comtios or Perrault in the top 6 right now. This team legitimately needs an entire 2nd line, another top line winger, at least 1 top pairing defensemen, and at least another legit top 4 guy (even if you pencil Drysdale in the top 4 which I don’t agree with) .

Id prob disagree on the 2nd line thing.

Henrique McTavish/Lundy Terry is prob okay 2nd line... the rest is literally just what i said.... and im not talking about competing next year and these guys becoming those players next season, its more of a 2-3 year prediction.

I also called Perreault and comtois potential Middle 6 guys, not top6.

 

[StarDucks]

Id prob disagree on the 2nd line thing.

Henrique McTavish/Lundy Terry is prob okay 2nd line... the rest is literally just what i said.... and im not talking about competing next year and these guys becoming those players next season, its more of a 2-3 year prediction.

I also called Perreault and comtois potential Middle 6 guys, not top6.

I think we disagree with how many defensemen are required. Also that sounds like a pretty terrible 2nd line imo unless Mctavish steps right in and scores 20 goals.

Agreed On the timeline tho. There’s no way he can fix all these problems in a season, which is why I’m really hesitant to go and blow our draft capital load. It would suck to finish bottom 3 next year and not have our 1st round pick for example. And if we aren’t trading 1sts what do we have to work with capital wise? Can start trading prospects but when you have 20 holes to fill, trading multiple good prospects for individual players for each hole gets real costly fast.

I don’t see a way forward where prospects don’t fill some of these roles from within, Which takes time.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I think we disagree with how many defensemen are required. Also that sounds like a pretty terrible 2nd line imo unless Mctavish steps right in and scores 20 goals.

Agreed On the timeline tho. There’s no way he can fix all these problems in a season, which is why I’m really hesitant to go and blow our draft capital load. It would suck to finish bottom 3 next year and not have our 1st round pick for example. And if we aren’t trading 1sts what do we have to work with capital wise? Can start trading prospects but when you have 20 holes to fill, trading multiple good prospects for individual players for each hole gets real costly fast.

I don’t see a way forward where prospects don’t fill some of these roles from within, Which takes time.

I agree with most of that, we obviously can’t go trade and sign all the pieces we need in the offseason.

I’d say chances are we need to get the top line winger or the top pairing dmen via trade this year or next year. Ideally this years draft pick can fill that other hole.

This year PV tore off the fat…. And I think this first offseason he needs to start adding support to the players we have now…. See how some of the young guys develop and then next offseason he should have a pretty good idea of what we need to do to the roster to take the next step.

I’m just in the mindset verbeek got all those assets, he’s going to for sure make a move or 2 to help the team going forward + sign some support/depth pieces. I think he knows there is a lot of cap problems league wise and some really good players are going to be available for a lot less than their value. This might be the best option to snag those types of players

 

[StarDucks]

I agree with most of that, we obviously can’t go trade and sign all the pieces we need in the offseason.

I’d say chances are we need to get the top line winger or the top pairing dmen via trade this year or next year. Ideally this years draft pick can fill that other hole.

This year PV tore off the fat…. And I think this first offseason he needs to start adding support to the players we have now…. See how some of the young guys develop and then next offseason he should have a pretty good idea of what we need to do to the roster to take the next step.

I’m just in the mindset verbeek got all those assets, he’s going to for sure make a move or 2 to help the team going forward + sign some support/depth pieces. I think he knows there is a lot of cap problems league wise and some really good players are going to be available for a lot less than their value. This might be the best option to snag those types of players

Maybe. I’m skeptical ownership will allow VP much leeway to spend dollars on new players for the sake of simply using cap space as an asset acquisition tool. They have to be absolutely bleeding money on the team right now. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if we floated around the cap floor next year

 

[DavidBL]

I fully agree with you, which is why I think not resigning the two defensemen was stupid.

I just don’t see how spending all the capital you just got, plus a lot more just to get back to the same Anaheim ducks we had in December makes a ton of sense either.

His supporters keep saying “well now he has a clean slate to start with!” As if that’s a good thing. Expansion teams have clean slates too, and most of them take a decade to be good at hockey

What else are you going to do with the capitol? As it stood I think we should have been looking to combine lesser assets to try and get upgrades. Guys like Steel, Jones, Tracy Lacombe Thrun.

 

[StarDucks]

What else are you going to do with the capitol? As it stood I think we should have been looking to combine lesser assets to try and get upgrades. Guys like Steel, Jones, Tracy Lacombe Thrun.

I mean the obvious answer is spend it on the draft podium.
Usually the only way to fill this many holes is from prospects filling a good portion of them.

Can try quantity for quality moves, but how often do teams line up for those?

 

[DavidBL]

I mean the obvious answer is spend it on the draft podium.
Usually the only way to fill this many holes is from prospects filling a good portion of them.

Can try quantity for quality moves, but how often do teams line up for those?

Any time a team needs to cut cap?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I mean the obvious answer is spend it on the draft podium.
Usually the only way to fill this many holes is from prospects filling a good portion of them.

Can try quantity for quality moves, but how often do teams line up for those?

The problem is we already have a pretty top notch prospect pool…. Eventually you have to start using assets for results now

 

[StarDucks]

Any time a team needs to cut cap?

Maybe. Seems to me teams have gotten pretty good at circumventing the cap

 

[StarDucks]

The problem is we already have a pretty top notch prospect pool…. Eventually you have to start using assets for results now

Indeed. But usually that doesn’t happen when you’re slated to be a bottom 3 team in the league.