Rumor: 2021-22 Trade Rumors and FA Part V: To Giroux or not to Giroux

[Avaholic29]

What's the earliest we can get Helleson signed and into an NHL game? Would be risky to trade Barron without Helleson signed, and also obviously nice to see what Helleson can do in a pro setting before jettisoning our only other RHD prospect.

I think when his college season is done

 

[Richard88]

I think when his college season is done

And when will that be most likely?

 

[McMetal]

And when will that be most likely?

BC's season ends 3/5, and I don't know too much about how the season extends beyond that, but BC has not been good this year, and they may end up not playing past that point if they keep losing. Plus they're missing Helleson for most of the month, so that isn't doing them any favors down the stretch.

I can't say for sure whether they'll be done in early March, but assuming they're not good enough to play on that's the absolute earliest we could expect him to sign.

 

[Balthazar]

Stealing this from the Oilers board....I don't know what's the plan with Kuemper but the goalie UFA crop next summer isn't good and we need 2 goalies.

 

[Avsboy]

^ Frank has indicated he wants to come back.

 

[Richard88]

BC's season ends 3/5, and I don't know too much about how the season extends beyond that, but BC has not been good this year, and they may end up not playing past that point if they keep losing. Plus they're missing Helleson for most of the month, so that isn't doing them any favors down the stretch.

I can't say for sure whether they'll be done in early March, but assuming they're not good enough to play on that's the absolute earliest we could expect him to sign.

Thanks. If he's done in college by early March that would allow for a couple of weeks before the deadline on 3/21 to get him into some NHL games to see what he's got. If he shows well enough (big if) maybe you don't have to go out and acquire a depth Dman at the deadline, along with feeling more secure about potentially including Barron in the Giroux deal.

 

[Balthazar]

^ Frank has indicated he wants to come back.

Grubauer wanted to come back too. I think we'll keep him but that doesn't mean much.

 

[flyfysher]

Thanks. If he's done in college by early March that would allow for a couple of weeks before the deadline on 3/21 to get him into some NHL games to see what he's got. If he shows well enough (big if) maybe you don't have to go out and acquire a depth Dman at the deadline, along with feeling more secure about potentially including Barron in the Giroux deal.

Relying on Helleson in the POs?

 

[Richard88]

Relying on Helleson in the POs?

I should have said if he shows well enough and Byram is back and healthy, then maybe Helleson would suffice as a depth add.

Toews -- Makar
Byram -- Girard
Murray -- EJ
JJ -------- Helleson

... Those are big if's though, as the jump from NCAA to playoff hockey is massive obviously. He'd have to really make a huge and immediate impact in a few games before the deadline for Sakic to not go out and get some more insurance on the blueline for the playoffs.

 

[Avaholic29]

Grubauer wanted to come back too. I think we'll keep him but that doesn't mean much.

A bit different for a back up who missed over a year..

 

[Richard88]

A bit different for a back up who missed over a year..

Grubauer also had his name on the cup already, albeit as a backup in the playoffs after losing the net in round 1, so he may not have been swayed as much by the chance to play on a winning team. Kuemper has been on bad teams most of his career, so hopefully he'll be happy to re-sign to continue playing on a top team.

 

[Balthazar]

Learned this on the Bruins board. 29th?? Jesus...I knew we were bad but not this bad...

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

If there's one position the Avs could theoretically give up a prospect and be OK, it would be on D. They have Makar, Toews, and Girard, with Bo, Barron, Helleson, and Behrens all coming up.

 

[flyfysher]

If there's one position the Avs could theoretically give up a prospect and be OK, it would be on D. They have Makar, Toews, and Girard, with Bo, Barron, Helleson, and Behrens all coming up.

Don’t forget MacDermid. I grant he’s a Dman that’s better as a F just like MacDonald.

 

[Richard88]

If there's one position the Avs could theoretically give up a prospect and be OK, it would be on D. They have Makar, Toews, and Girard, with Bo, Barron, Helleson, and Behrens all coming up.

Leivermann and Zhuravlyov are also sneaky under-the-radar D prospects who have been trending well since being drafted.

 

[McMetal]

Learned this on the Bruins board. 29th?? Jesus...I knew we were bad but not this bad...

And Florida, the 2nd place team in the league, is 31st... I think the stats nerds are absolutely right that faceoff % doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. If we do get Giroux, it shouldn't be because of his skill at the dot.

 

[Richard88]

Learned this on the Bruins board. 29th?? Jesus...I knew we were bad but not this bad...

Yeah it's a pretty glaring problem on this team. At 5v5 Landeskog and Kadri are solid, but the rest of the guys are pretty bad at draws.

It's especially problematic on the PK given that none of Newhook/Compher/Jost/Helm are any good, which has forced Bednar to use Kadri on the PK a few times which obviously isn't ideal. Compher has improved a bit this year but still not the level you want for key PK draws when you're facing the best teams' top faceoff guys in the playoffs like O'Reilly, Bergeron, etc.

Maltsev has consistently been around 60% on draws (albeit a small sample size), so perhaps he could help in this area if and when one of Jost/Compher is moved. He hasn't yet been trusted with any PK duties in the NHL though.

5v5:

PK:

 

[flyfysher]

And Florida, the 2nd place team in the league, is 31st... I think the stats nerds are absolutely right that faceoff % doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. If we do get Giroux, it shouldn't be because of his skill at the dot.

There’s grand scheme of things and then there are situations that are the exception to the rule.

 

[Gruyeriev]

Leivermann and Zhuravlyov are also sneaky under-the-radar D prospects who have been trending well since being drafted.

Meh. I doubt we see Zhuravlyov cross over to N.A. Lieverman has shown promise his senior year but so did Gus Young and they let him walk. He never made it to the big show.(with the Sharks). On the other hand they did sign Nate Clurman which was surprising. If those guys end up serviceable AHLers I’d call it a win. So far Clurman has been in the ECHL and not really proving much

 

[Richard88]

Meh. I doubt we see Zhuravlyov cross over to N.A. Lieverman has shown promise his senior year but so did Gus Young and they let him walk. He never made it to the big show.(with the Sharks). On the other hand they did sign Nate Clurman which was surprising. If those guys end up serviceable AHLers I’d call it a win. So far Clurman has been in the ECHL and not really proving much

Leivermann could be useful at the AHL level as his good skating and puckmoving ability could theoretically help make the AHL team play a similar style of game as the Avs, and thus help other prospects get used to a more up-tempo game, than if they were to constantly only be playing with dinosaurs like Middleton, Englund, etc.

Agree Zhuravlyov is a long-shot, but maybe he could be a cheap 6/7D or something when we've emptied the cupboards in several cup runs.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

There’s grand scheme of things and then there are situations that are the exception to the rule.

So long as you have one guy you can rely on, that's all that matters.

Faceoffs in general absolutely don't matter. The statistical evidence is overwhelming.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Just to put those faceoff stats into even more perspective….

The Avs have taken about 2800 faceoffs, winning just over 47%. Had they won 100 more, it would make them a borderline top 10 team in faceoffs. In other words, exchange 2 losses for 2 wins every game. That’s the difference. Its insignificant.

Have a guy or 2 that you can rely on in end game, PK, and PP situations and you’re good to go.

 

[Hasbro]

There’s grand scheme of things and then there are situations that are the exception to the rule.

Stat Whackers ignoring context?!

 

[flyfysher]

And Florida, the 2nd place team in the league, is 31st... I think the stats nerds are absolutely right that faceoff % doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. If we do get Giroux, it shouldn't be because of his skill at the dot.

Where does TB rank on FO%?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Where does TB rank on FO%?

This year, they are currently 16th at 49.8%


Last year they were also 16th at 50.1% and in 2020 they were 11th at 50.5%.


In the playoffs they were 11th out of 16 teams last year at 48.1% and 16th out of 24 teams in 2020 at 48.5%