GDT: 2021-22 season WESTERN CONFERENCE QUARTER FINALS Game 2 LA Kings vs Edmonton Oilers @7:00pm LA leads 1-0

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Yep, shades of the first few SJ games in 2014. Everything goes wrong anyway, but you ALSO don't get the bounces, it just gets totally ugly, haha.




Great timing! I was just typing this out:

I see plenty of people advocating changing the bottom six but that really wasn't the problem. It was top to bottom. Without Arvidsson, it's just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

Like I said earlier, go ahead and pick your favorite scapegoat and go to town, but don't pretend that 'your guy' was better than anyone else:

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Regardless of the advanced stats - the bottom 6 hasnt done much in the two games.. no zone time. Remember when 34,46, and 48 were good for a 30 second cycle every shift? That now doesent happen. Brown boat anchor on the 3rd line, that is just going to waste 10 minutes of ice time for the rest of the line. Maybe he can bounce back, he looked good after his injury for a few games, but right now he's back to being a major liability
 
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Hard to believe AA is playing for a contract, with no intensity or urgency. Not handling the puck well either.
What line can you depend on? AA has little chemistry with Kopi and Kempe and he's been flat....
and Danault - Moore -Arvidsson line is not quite up to snuff with AI on it, although he had a good game 1.
 
Regardless of the advanced stats - the bottom 6 hasnt done much in the two games.. no zone time. Remember when 34,46, and 48 were good for a 30 second cycle every shift? That now doesent happen. Brown boat anchor on the 3rd line, that is just going to waste 10 minutes of ice time for the rest of the line. Maybe he can bounce back, he looked good after his injury for a few games, but right now he's back to being a major liability

Hard to believe AA is playing for a contract, with no intensity or urgency. Not handling the puck well either.
What line can you depend on? AA has little chemistry with Kopi and Kempe and he's been flat....
and Danault - Moore -Arvidsson line is not quite up to snuff with AI on it, although he had a good game 1.

And that's the problem--the forward lines were so fragile that Arvy missing broke pretty much everything, you can't count on anyone right now, everyone is off-slotted by one.
 
Very little to say. Special teams sewered us. We’ll win at even strength, or we won’t. On to the next one.
 
Very little to say. Special teams sewered us. We’ll win at even strength, or we won’t. On to the next one.

It would be pretty chef's kiss to win the series battle 5v5 but lose the series due to a 25% PK and 0% PP. Actually kind of rooting for it.
 
Winning game 1 was sweet.. esp without Arvy.. that still is very satisfying.. but the team weaknesses are what they are - mind boggling that PP1 cannot be improved at all over the season. Koala better better make some changes... learn to adjust dude, it wont kill you.

Iit has actually been a pattern through out the season theyve been destroyed by Vegas, Seattle Colorado - who am I forgetting? But they usually come back fine the next game.. they just love to absolutely shit on themselves and wallow in it for entire game sometimes.

Koala hasn't adjusted shit in his entire career.

He had Lucic stapled to McDavid's wing for three years after it stopped working.
 
Koala hasn't adjusted shit in his entire career.

He had Lucic stapled to McDavid's wing for three years after it stopped working.
Think that was only 1 season. He moved him to RNH's line the 2nd season. What happened to that guy anyways? Have barely even heard his name this series.
 
Koala hasn't adjusted shit in his entire career.

He had Lucic stapled to McDavid's wing for three years after it stopped working.
Is that how most of your board feels about Koala would you say? We had an another EDM guy drop by and said some positive things .. which was a shocker to me
 
Honestly, with this many playoff rookies, an ass whooping or two should be expected. The ‘98 team got destroyed in Game 1 against the Blues, same for the 2010 team in Game 5 against Vancouver, and now this.
 
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Think that was only 1 season. He moved him to RNH's line the 2nd season. What happened to that guy anyways? Have barely even heard his name this series.

No, I think the other way. Mostly on Connors line.

RNH I think has been good this series. Ever since Eakins beat the creativity out of him, he's never really been a prolific 5v5 guy, but he's an above average low event forward. His rookie year was on pace for like 90 points before injury, but he just has hard committed to being a defense first player. He's kind of like a softer Danault or a Bergeron with less pace and more natural talent. Leads to him often being under appreciated, in my opinion.

The way our teams built he has a very specific role which is more or less to kill clock and not get scored on. Sometimes people call him Ryan Nothing Happens, often in a derogatory fashion, but when you look at the makeup of our team... if nothing happens without McDavid or Draisaitl on the ice we're probably quite likely to win on any given night.

He's also a Lynch pin for our special teams, plays the most PK minutes on the team with the best PK minutes and is also a huge contributor to our PP; Nuge is what allows our PP to be so adaptable and dangerous because he enables us to transition seamlessly between a capitals style Umbrella with the Drai one-timer threat and a penguins style overload with McDavid's speed threatening a 2 on 1. He's simultaneously an incredible defensive presence out their as the 4th forward in terms of collecting pucks and distributing the puck, by he also is McDavid's wingman in creating odd man rushes. Without him, our PP is just McDavid 2 on 1 looks or just Draisaitl one-timer looks... and obviously a PP can be very good with just those and beat teams even when you know they are just setting up those kinds of looks, but being able to seamlessly switch from one to the other is what makes the Oilers powerplay generational in that it's been the best in the league for so many years. I think maybe the only other guys in the league that could do that for our PP are like... Makar and Malkin? No one else has the hockey IQ to adapt from being hard offense, but also the only defensive presence, while also transitioning between being a point puck distributor and a quick and dirty one shot scoring threat with his understated but accurate wrist shot.

When Nuge is out, our PK is atrocious and our PP is pedestrian offensively while suddenly allowing tonnes of short handed goals. And then you note that he's a fairly low event player that fosters McDavid and Draisaitl to shine... He's incredibly important to our team. The biggest part of our huge losing skid in the middle of the year, in my opinion, was RNH being out of the lineup.

That being said, i agree that in this particular matchup, I think you'd want him to produce more and create more pressure. Certainly I think the kings are chasing power vs power with Kopi / Danault checking McDrai, and he should be a step up on the kings bottom 6. But I don't think he necessarily needs to drive the offense at 5 on 5 the way this team is constructed. I also think it's maybe unfair to expect him to do so when saddled with guys like Ryan & Archibald.

Is that how most of your board feels about Koala would you say? We had an another EDM guy drop by and said some positive things .. which was a shocker to me

I think so. Don't get me wrong, I think Todd is a good coach, but I've always seen him as the guy that prepares your team for the best coach to come in and compete rather than the go to guy to go out and compete for a cup.

Koala is great at creating buy in, and great at implementing a structure that allows your team to be successful. Maybe not even just great, but perhaps elite. He can get things out of guys like Moore or Maroon that many guys just can't.

But he has big downfalls in my opinion. For one, he isn't the kind of guy that can make adjustments on the fly; he's a big believer in chemistry, and I think he tailors his system to a singular ideal. This leads to a lack of shuffling when things aren't working, and a lack of being able to win when you aren't driving play. If another team finds a way to counter your style, you're kind of just out in the lurch.

Secondly, I think his special teams are just 20 years behind the curve. They have not really evolved since 2006, and even then... it was kind of an outdated style that was made successful by Thornton / Marleau / Cheechoo.

To win in the playoffs, you need clutch special teams and to be able to adjust to the team in the other side of the ice. And I think both of those are his greatest weakness. Honestly I think Todd is the reason the Sharks never won the cup despite being the winning-est team in the league for a span of 10 to 15 years.
 
No, I think the other way. Mostly on Connors line.

RNH I think has been good this series. Ever since Eakins beat the creativity out of him, he's never really been a prolific 5v5 guy, but he's an above average low event forward. His rookie year was on pace for like 90 points before injury, but he just has hard committed to being a defense first player. He's kind of like a softer Danault or a Bergeron with less pace and more natural talent. Leads to him often being under appreciated, in my opinion.

The way our teams built he has a very specific role which is more or less to kill clock and not get scored on. Sometimes people call him Ryan Nothing Happens, often in a derogatory fashion, but when you look at the makeup of our team... if nothing happens without McDavid or Draisaitl on the ice we're probably quite likely to win on any given night.

He's also a Lynch pin for our special teams, plays the most PK minutes on the team with the best PK minutes and is also a huge contributor to our PP; Nuge is what allows our PP to be so adaptable and dangerous because he enables us to transition seamlessly between a capitals style Umbrella with the Drai one-timer threat and a penguins style overload with McDavid's speed threatening a 2 on 1. He's simultaneously an incredible defensive presence out their as the 4th forward in terms of collecting pucks and distributing the puck, by he also is McDavid's wingman in creating odd man rushes. Without him, our PP is just McDavid 2 on 1 looks or just Draisaitl one-timer looks... and obviously a PP can be very good with just those and beat teams even when you know they are just setting up those kinds of looks, but being able to seamlessly switch from one to the other is what makes the Oilers powerplay generational in that it's been the best in the league for so many years. I think maybe the only other guys in the league that could do that for our PP are like... Makar and Malkin? No one else has the hockey IQ to adapt from being hard offense, but also the only defensive presence, while also transitioning between being a point puck distributor and a quick and dirty one shot scoring threat with his understated but accurate wrist shot.

When Nuge is out, our PK is atrocious and our PP is pedestrian offensively while suddenly allowing tonnes of short handed goals. And then you note that he's a fairly low event player that fosters McDavid and Draisaitl to shine... He's incredibly important to our team. The biggest part of our huge losing skid in the middle of the year, in my opinion, was RNH being out of the lineup.

That being said, i agree that in this particular matchup, I think you'd want him to produce more and create more pressure. Certainly I think the kings are chasing power vs power with Kopi / Danault checking McDrai, and he should be a step up on the kings bottom 6. But I don't think he necessarily needs to drive the offense at 5 on 5 the way this team is constructed. I also think it's maybe unfair to expect him to do so when saddled with guys like Ryan & Archibald.



I think so. Don't get me wrong, I think Todd is a good coach, but I've always seen him as the guy that prepares your team for the best coach to come in and compete rather than the go to guy to go out and compete for a cup.

Koala is great at creating buy in, and great at implementing a structure that allows your team to be successful. Maybe not even just great, but perhaps elite. He can get things out of guys like Moore or Maroon that many guys just can't.

But he has big downfalls in my opinion. For one, he isn't the kind of guy that can make adjustments on the fly; he's a big believer in chemistry, and I think he tailors his system to a singular ideal. This leads to a lack of shuffling when things aren't working, and a lack of being able to win when you aren't driving play. If another team finds a way to counter your style, you're kind of just out in the lurch.

Secondly, I think his special teams are just 20 years behind the curve. They have not really evolved since 2006, and even then... it was kind of an outdated style that was made successful by Thornton / Marleau / Cheechoo.

To win in the playoffs, you need clutch special teams and to be able to adjust to the team in the other side of the ice. And I think both of those are his greatest weakness. Honestly I think Todd is the reason the Sharks never won the cup despite being the winning-est team in the league for a span of 10 to 15 years.
Interesting takes. It aligns with the majority on this board I would say.. a lot of us have praised him for implementing a 5 on 5 system that has outshot the opponent on a nightly basis... but the inability to improve special teams throughout the season where we are nearly league worst in both PP and PK - nobody can understand it. No adjustments to PP1 personnel or system when its been 5th worst in the league for the entire season. Thats a bit frustrating when you can see if that can improve just a little bit the team could easily find more wins.
 
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I thought game 1 the Kings had the puck luck, tonight it went the Oilers way. Felt like the Kings deserved 1 in the first and just looked dead after.

We all would have taken a split going in. It’s a best of 5 with 3 games in LA. The Kings were kind of meh this year at home, time to take a bit more ownership of the home ice. Kings can easier match lines.

Still it’s the same issue as all year, can’t score, especially on PP. You watch these other games and you see offensive players just at another level from what we have out there. That will have to start to be addressed sooner than later as far as the big picture.
 

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