GDT: 2021-22 season LA Kings vs Pittsburgh Penguins @10:00AM 1/30/22

[GoldenBearHockey]

I didn't want this post to get missed. I have been a big fan of Moverare and think he has definitely been flying under the radar a bit, especially with Durzi coming up. Moverare was a huge stablizing force for Ontario this season.

Moverare had 24 shifts for 19 minutes of icetime, was a +2 and had than awesome assist. Too small of a sample size, but didn't look out of place at all. In fact, I would love to see him stick with the team.

Do we really *NEED* Chychrun? I think most of us can argue that we want a more physical presence on the left side of the blue line, but hopefully that can be Edler if by some reason he is able to get back later in the season. I hate how they don't really give injury updates any more.

Moveare looked good......agreed, small sample size, but he didn't look out of place, which is a good thing

 

[driller1]

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So basically you're saying that the most optimal strategy based on the difference of expected goals FOR vs expected goals Against is.... to keep Dustin Brown with Byfield and ditch AA, correct?

Obviously a 1.92 xGF with Byfield/Brown vs a 0.73 xGA is a winner all day long! Byfield and Brown forever!!!!!

 

[FSL KINGS]

So basically you're saying that the most optimal strategy based on the difference of expected goals FOR vs expected goals Against is.... to keep Dustin Brown with Byfield and ditch AA, correct?

Obviously a 1.92 xGF with Byfield/Brown vs a 0.73 xGA is a winner all day long! Byfield and Brown forever!!!!!

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Interesting numbers for Moore. Basically, the 3rd line is the line of death for your numbers. Is it deployment? Is it the role that TMc demands from it? Is it the personnel on it? You decide.

Num	Time	%	Players	GF	GA	+/-	SF	SA	SF%	CF	CA	CF%
1	177:36	30.8	PHILLIP DANAULT - VIKTOR ARVIDSSON - TREVOR MOORE	12	2	10	129	75	63.2	227	148	60.5
2	85:32	14.8	TREVOR MOORE - CARL GRUNDSTROM - RASMUS KUPARI	2	1	1	33	47	41.3	57	85	40.1
3	30:12	5.2	TREVOR MOORE - ARTHUR KALIYEV - RASMUS KUPARI	1	0	1	18	6	75.0	35	21	62.5
4	29:33	5.1	LIAS ANDERSSON - TREVOR MOORE - RASMUS KUPARI	1	2	-1	23	20	53.5	30	33	47.6
5	24:27	4.2	BRENDAN LEMIEUX - TREVOR MOORE - BLAKE LIZOTTE	1	0	1	13	5	72.2	29	13	69.0
6	18:15	3.2	DUSTIN BROWN - TREVOR MOORE - RASMUS KUPARI	0	1	-1	6	10	37.5	7	16	30.4

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Also Moore since being removed from the 3rd line

So basically you're saying that the most optimal strategy based on the difference of expected goals FOR vs expected goals Against is.... to keep Dustin Brown with Byfield and ditch AA, correct?

Obviously a 1.92 xGF with Byfield/Brown vs a 0.73 xGA is a winner all day long! Byfield and Brown forever!!!!!

My point again was that Byfield was even able to raise the play of one of them more than anyone else on the roster has--but giving him TWO of them is the kiss of death for performance.

 

[funky]

I have always felt that Byfield should be paired with Iafallo as a safety valve on the line. I consider him a young vet that plays that 200 ft game and has skill and the wheels to play with Byfield.

Byfield also has some play making ability and would love to see the new and improved Arty Party as the other winger. I think he has improved his play away from the puck and his skating a lot this year. He is also a heavy body.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Gee, thanks. Can't you enjoy being a Kings fan and an awesome win for just like a couple days without leading the bitchfest? Maybe they can lose to DET for you on Wed and you can rally the troops!

I'm enjoying the shit out of it. It was a f***ing awesome win and to no surprise of mine you completely skipped those posts. As adorable as it is that you're following chastising me and solely me for my takes, maybe you should start with the people that started the bitchfest by complaining about Byfield in a vacuum. But I guess that wouldn't fit your MO of policing who gets to be a fan by harassing the mod and gatekeeping/evaluating who is a 'good' fan by how much sunshine and rainbows pops out of their asses.

I wonder what kind of elementary school cartoon bullshit world you live in where criticism is seen as hatred rather than discussion.

If they win in Detroit, that's not just a good road trip, that's a stellar road trip with ZERO regulation losses despite so many shenanigans, why would I not want that besides your warped perception of 'good fanhood'

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Interesting numbers for Moore. Basically, the 3rd line is the line of death for your numbers. Is it deployment? Is it the role that TMc demands from it? Is it the personnel on it? You decide.

Num	Time	%	Players	GF	GA	+/-	SF	SA	SF%	CF	CA	CF%
1	177:36	30.8	PHILLIP DANAULT - VIKTOR ARVIDSSON - TREVOR MOORE	12	2	10	129	75	63.2	227	148	60.5
2	85:32	14.8	TREVOR MOORE - CARL GRUNDSTROM - RASMUS KUPARI	2	1	1	33	47	41.3	57	85	40.1
3	30:12	5.2	TREVOR MOORE - ARTHUR KALIYEV - RASMUS KUPARI	1	0	1	18	6	75.0	35	21	62.5
4	29:33	5.1	LIAS ANDERSSON - TREVOR MOORE - RASMUS KUPARI	1	2	-1	23	20	53.5	30	33	47.6
5	24:27	4.2	BRENDAN LEMIEUX - TREVOR MOORE - BLAKE LIZOTTE	1	0	1	13	5	72.2	29	13	69.0
6	18:15	3.2	DUSTIN BROWN - TREVOR MOORE - RASMUS KUPARI	0	1	-1	6	10	37.5	7	16	30.4

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Yeah, all of the above. It's a tough problem to solve, I understand TM's struggles here, because only a handful of paired players have even broken even on that line, including Byfield-Brown (with Grundstrom). It's been the player graveyard with the most moving parts and he just has to mad-scientist it until something clicks. I don't even really blame him for trying AA there for one game as he had to come back somewhere anyway and there's no real reason to dismantle lines 2 and 4 (and arguably 1 though I'm less married to that one). If you had to tinker with lineup players, I'd mess with the Byfield and Kopitar lines, otherwise you just have to get Byfield a veteran defensive consciousness that's predictable. You can't ask a rookie to step in and understand the flow of the game and give him chaos incarnate in AA with an immobile Brown as his other winger. I like the Iafallo idea, especially as line 1 has mostly cooled otherwise. Kempe-Kopitar can be the pairing that drives that, cycle in AA or someone else as their wing, it'll be fine, but you can't continue to short line 3, especially on a long roadie.

 

[Schmooley]

Yeah, all of the above. It's a tough problem to solve, I understand TM's struggles here, because only a handful of paired players have even broken even on that line, including Byfield-Brown (with Grundstrom). It's been the player graveyard with the most moving parts and he just has to mad-scientist it until something clicks. I don't even really blame him for trying AA there for one game as he had to come back somewhere anyway and there's no real reason to dismantle lines 2 and 4 (and arguably 1 though I'm less married to that one). If you had to tinker with lineup players, I'd mess with the Byfield and Kopitar lines, otherwise you just have to get Byfield a veteran defensive consciousness that's predictable. You can't ask a rookie to step in and understand the flow of the game and give him chaos incarnate in AA with an immobile Brown as his other winger. I like the Iafallo idea, especially as line 1 has mostly cooled otherwise. Kempe-Kopitar can be the pairing that drives that, cycle in AA or someone else as their wing, it'll be fine, but you can't continue to short line 3, especially on a long roadie.

Andersson-Vilardi-Tkachev would have been a good third line if Lias didnt get hurt. I think it happened before the season started and he hasnt recovered fully.
When hes back I wouldnt mind seeing Andersson-Turcotte/Byfield-Vilardi as a line. Kind of a chance for Lias and Gabe to stick. With the next group of prospects coming up to the AHL next year like Penelli and Chromiak its time for them now to show they belong.

 

[King'sPawn]

Not sure I agree with the hesitation of "breaking up" line 2. Danault is just that good.

Remember line 2 was Iafallo - Danault - Kempe to start. It worked well. Then it was Iafallo - Danault - Arvidsson. It still worked. Now it's Moore - Danault - Arvidsson, and it's working.

Of course, there was a drought here and there, but Danault is just a solid "line captain" that brings his teammates together.

Moore is, in my opinion, a winger version of Danault where, aside from a slump to start, he is very adaptable to his linemates, and again a reason why I'd love him with a rookie.

 

[Stimpythecat]

I just want to add that Danault is a beast that also makes everyone on his line better. I thought it was a good signing at the time. I did not realize how good it was until later.

 

[cyclones22]

Not sure I agree with the hesitation of "breaking up" line 2. Danault is just that good.

Remember line 2 was Iafallo - Danault - Kempe to start. It worked well. Then it was Iafallo - Danault - Arvidsson. It still worked. Now it's Moore - Danault - Arvidsson, and it's working.

Of course, there was a drought here and there, but Danault is just a solid "line captain" that brings his teammates together.

Moore is, in my opinion, a winger version of Danault where, aside from a slump to start, he is very adaptable to his linemates, and again a reason why I'd love him with a rookie.

Danault's line has always been the best line and among the best in the entire NHL even with swapping players in. Except when AA was on it. Huh...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I just want to add that Danault is a beast that also makes everyone on his line better. I thought it was a good signing at the time. I did not realize how good it was until later.

You'll notice the effect it's had on his former linemates in MTL as well as the ripple effect of other centers taking tougher assignments.

Even adjusting for last season's highest of highs and this season's lowest of lows for them Danault was a lynchpin in that lineup.

 

[Master Yoda]

Yeah, all of the above. It's a tough problem to solve, I understand TM's struggles here, because only a handful of paired players have even broken even on that line, including Byfield-Brown (with Grundstrom). It's been the player graveyard with the most moving parts and he just has to mad-scientist it until something clicks. I don't even really blame him for trying AA there for one game as he had to come back somewhere anyway and there's no real reason to dismantle lines 2 and 4 (and arguably 1 though I'm less married to that one). If you had to tinker with lineup players, I'd mess with the Byfield and Kopitar lines, otherwise you just have to get Byfield a veteran defensive consciousness that's predictable. You can't ask a rookie to step in and understand the flow of the game and give him chaos incarnate in AA with an immobile Brown as his other winger. I like the Iafallo idea, especially as line 1 has mostly cooled otherwise. Kempe-Kopitar can be the pairing that drives that, cycle in AA or someone else as their wing, it'll be fine, but you can't continue to short line 3, especially on a long roadie.

I'd even try AI-Byfield-Kempe. And put random parts with Kopi. Kopi's never really needed top wingers to be effective.
Or maybe move Kaliyev with Kopi. Line 4 is really the Lizotte/Lemieux line anyways.

Grundstrom/AA-Kopi-Kaliyev
Moore-Danault-Arvidsson
AI-Byfield-Kempe
Lemieux-Lizotte-Brown

And Kopitar and Byfield can occasionally switch to even out the ice time.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

What I am hoping to see is Kaliyev with Danault eventually. Danault feeding those sneaky one touch passes off of offensive zone turnovers to Kaliyev is fun to imagine.

 

[Bandit]

I'd even try AI-Byfield-Kempe. And put random parts with Kopi. Kopi's never really needed top wingers to be effective.
Or maybe move Kaliyev with Kopi. Line 4 is really the Lizotte/Lemieux line anyways.

Grundstrom/AA-Kopi-Kaliyev
Moore-Danault-Arvidsson
AI-Byfield-Kempe
Lemieux-Lizotte-Brown

And Kopitar and Byfield can occasionally switch to even out the ice time.

problem with that is that AI/Kempe need to get more ice time than our idiot coach would dare give Byfield.

 

[FSL KINGS]

I got it!
22/11/23*
12/24/33
19/55/9
48/46/34

*line plays 12 mins!!!

 

[Herby]

I'm enjoying the shit out of it. It was a f***ing awesome win and to no surprise of mine you completely skipped those posts. As adorable as it is that you're following chastising me and solely me for my takes, maybe you should start with the people that started the bitchfest by complaining about Byfield in a vacuum. But I guess that wouldn't fit your MO of policing who gets to be a fan by harassing the mod and gatekeeping/evaluating who is a 'good' fan by how much sunshine and rainbows pops out of their asses.

I wonder what kind of elementary school cartoon bullshit world you live in where criticism is seen as hatred rather than discussion.
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It's the old RH63 style being resurrected again. When he would go from thread to thread and interrupt people having usually strong and detailed discussions with one-line drive by posts telling people to basically "shut up" and only talk about positive things, that if they didn't they "weren't true fans", stuff about "this board is the worst" like every other sports board doesn't have the same stuff going on. People like this just want to hear one opinion and then have to tell everyone they only want one opinion, over and over again, it really makes for a thrilling discussion having everyone saying one thing and everyone agreeing. I wish I could be a member of a forum like that, sounds like a blast. And maybe one day HF will have the ability for people who want to be on a forum like this to ignore other members who don't (maybe you as a Mod could suggest it to the admins?), or maybe there will a browser with a scroll feature where they don't have to read what certain people say, maybe a couple of years away though.

 

[Master Yoda]

problem with that is that AI/Kempe need to get more ice time than our idiot coach would dare give Byfield.

Right, and that's why I said Kopitar and Byfield can occasionally switch. Kopi would essentially just double shift with AI/Kempe to get more ice time for that group.
So ultimately, Kopi/AI/Kemp would get their normal top line-ish ice times, and Byfield/others get their 3rd line-ish ice times.

The idea is to get Byfield more competent wingers when he's on the ice.

 

[AbsentMojo]

problem with that is that AI/Kempe need to get more ice time than our idiot coach would dare give Byfield.

To add to your point, another example of a < 21 yr old getting big minutes (avg 16.5 and is on the PP) look at Boldy on Wild from Turcottes draft. Koala apparently feels the need to gruel the rookie before giving him looks on the PP... thinks 22 and 23 are better options.

 

[Steve Zissou]

I just want to add that Danault is a beast that also makes everyone on his line better. I thought it was a good signing at the time. I did not realize how good it was until later.

 

[King'sPawn]

Yeah, all of the above. It's a tough problem to solve, I understand TM's struggles here, because only a handful of paired players have even broken even on that line, including Byfield-Brown (with Grundstrom). It's been the player graveyard with the most moving parts and he just has to mad-scientist it until something clicks. I don't even really blame him for trying AA there for one game as he had to come back somewhere anyway and there's no real reason to dismantle lines 2 and 4 (and arguably 1 though I'm less married to that one). If you had to tinker with lineup players, I'd mess with the Byfield and Kopitar lines, otherwise you just have to get Byfield a veteran defensive consciousness that's predictable. You can't ask a rookie to step in and understand the flow of the game and give him chaos incarnate in AA with an immobile Brown as his other winger. I like the Iafallo idea, especially as line 1 has mostly cooled otherwise. Kempe-Kopitar can be the pairing that drives that, cycle in AA or someone else as their wing, it'll be fine, but you can't continue to short line 3, especially on a long roadie.

It's the old RH63 style being resurrected again. When he would go from thread to thread and interrupt people having usually strong and detailed discussions with one-line drive by posts telling people to basically "shut up" and only talk about positive things, that if they didn't they "weren't true fans", stuff about "this board is the worst" like every other sports board doesn't have the same stuff going on. People like this just want to hear one opinion and then have to tell everyone they only want one opinion, over and over again, it really makes for a thrilling discussion having everyone saying one thing and everyone agreeing. I wish I could be a member of a forum like that, sounds like a blast. And maybe one day HF will have the ability for people who want to be on a forum like this to ignore other members who don't (maybe you as a Mod could suggest it to the admins?), or maybe there will a browser with a scroll feature where they don't have to read what certain people say, maybe a couple of years away though.

The troops are rallied! You have my bow. I'll see you Wednesday, hoping dearly for a loss so we can launch our coordinated effort of having an actual hockey discussion!

 

[cyclones22]

The troops are rallied! You have my bow. I'll see you Wednesday, hoping dearly for a loss so we can launch our coordinated effort of having an actual hockey discussion!

I'm done with those guys. You provide actual statistical analysis to support your viewpoint and the retort is a simple you're wrong and I'm right because TMc and Blake are in step with my line of thinking. Where's the analysis and metrics to refute what you've posted? Nah, appeal to authority is always right.

 

[funky]

I didn't want this post to get missed. I have been a big fan of Moverare and think he has definitely been flying under the radar a bit, especially with Durzi coming up. Moverare was a huge stablizing force for Ontario this season.

Moverare had 24 shifts for 19 minutes of icetime, was a +2 and had that awesome assist. Too small of a sample size, but didn't look out of place at all. In fact, I would love to see him stick with the team.

Do we really *NEED* Chychrun? I think most of us can argue that we want a more physical presence on the left side of the blue line, but hopefully that can be Edler if by some reason he is able to get back later in the season. I hate how they don't really give injury updates any more.

To look at it a little bit different if we do trade one of Bjornfot or Anderson in a Chychrun trade we know that we have Moverare ready and waiting to fill that bottom pairing left side

Chychrun
Anderson
Moverare

young Defence, solid Defence, with each guy giving a bit different look.

 

[BigKing]

Was an awesome win. Another one that makes you say "we might have a real team brewing here".

 

[King'sPawn]

Was an awesome win. Another one that makes you say "we might have a real team brewing here".

Gutsy win. Hope they continue to play well. And I hope the prospects continue to grow and succeed.

Because, not going to lie, following players from pre-draft to adulthood and career is what I enjoy over the games themselves more often than not. Win, lose, there's always someone hoping to fulfill a dream I wasn't good enough to pursue.

I'm done with those guys. You provide actual statistical analysis to support your viewpoint and the retort is a simple you're wrong and I'm right because TMc and Blake are in step with my line of thinking. Where's the analysis and metrics to refute what you've posted? Nah, appeal to authority is always right.

Here's your axe. You strike me as a mighty Dwarf.