lexlavender
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Now if only we could limit kopitar's ice time...
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Now if only we could limit kopitar's ice time...
Kopitar is 34 years old and has looked more or less the same for the last 10+ years or so, it is inevitable that his age would start to show eventually. As much as I hate to say it.
Todd isn't helping matters by playing him a crap ton though.
Todd isn't helping matters by playing him a crap ton though.
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For all the crap he gets Arvidsson 20 points in 29 games. 2 points from being 2nd on the team in scoring.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I kind of get why people get annoyed with him as he bobbles the puck and turns it over at times, but I think he embodies a lot of what we are going for--they're aggressive mistakes made by challenging people with the puck and just taking it hard to the paint. I can live with those aggressive mistakes, like Durzi's pinch. They were feeling it--the whole line wanting to really step on the throat and feeling the 'pulse' of the game is a huge step in this team's evolution, the development of a 'lets take it now' mentality instead of just being comfortable with a dominant shift that just ends in a shot on goal.
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I know its crazy to say this but it's almost like if they put Byfield in the line up and give him some serious icetime away from Kopitar, that Kopitar might do better. Will likely do better. And then the team does better. Better team = More W's. Does management not get this concept?
Anyways good game. And lord bless adrian kempe.
our top goal scorer, 6 goals of the next one. Talent, beauty, and speed. Typical Swede. <3
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Funny, that's what I thought the trade for Danault was about as well.
I don't think it happens until Billy Beane walks in Todd's office and tells him he can't start Pena at first.
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Hey, don't look now, but Kempe is tied for 14th in goals scored along with scrubs like Stamkos, Marchand, Rantanen, and Larkin!
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Its A Kingspiracy !
Or a defense that could score once and a while. 47 points combined by our back end is so sad.
But hey, I'll take tonight's win and hope the defense will help out in the next game.
This is a worry, but besides Doughty the only one who ever shoots the puck on net is Roy. The rest pass on all opportunities.
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Chazz Reinhold
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Moore was not playing "horribly" early in the season. He was playing exactly the same as he did last season except that the pucks weren't going in while he was on ice. He's playing exactly the same now. His on-ice shooting percentage was sitting at an unsustainably low 2% well over a month into the season, and it wasn't too hard to predict that points would start accumulating for him.
Players only have so much control of pucks going in the net when they're on the ice (which tends to help a player get points). As someone once described it: "The game is played with a three-inch diameter piece of frozen rubber flying around an ice surface at 100 miles an hour. Pucks go off legs and butts and skates all the time. If your team is getting the random bounces when you're on the ice, you're probably gonna get more points, and there's evidence that those bounces don't stay in your favor forever." The inverse of that is true (and Moore's season so far is a good example).
Take his second assist last night as just one example: he lofts a backhand from a terrible angle that Arvidsson waves at it and tips on the way to the net, throwing Georgiev off on reading it; it hits Georgiev in the chest, yet he drops it because of Arvidsson's tip; and Lizotte completely whiffs on his first backhand attempt, but the puck he whiffed on hits his dragging right foot and bounces back up to his stick for an easy backhand tap in goal. That wasn't some amazing play where Moore was rewarded for doing something he wasn't doing earlier in the season; it was just a chain of the puck bouncing the right way. If Arvidsson doesn't wave at and tip it then Georgiev probably is able to control it for a whistle. Unsurprisingly, his on-ice shooting percentage has bounced back to over 6% when he's getting a fortunate run of bounces like that.
Every single underlying number you could point to several weeks ago showed that the Kings were handily controlling the run of play when he was on the ice while generating more scoring chances than opponents. He was posting career highs in possession and scoring chance numbers, and it was only a matter of time until his numbers started to reflect that. He was still aggressively forechecking, stealing pucks, and creating offensive opportunities. Pucks are just finally going in the net when he's on the ice.
Players only have so much control of pucks going in the net when they're on the ice (which tends to help a player get points). As someone once described it: "The game is played with a three-inch diameter piece of frozen rubber flying around an ice surface at 100 miles an hour. Pucks go off legs and butts and skates all the time. If your team is getting the random bounces when you're on the ice, you're probably gonna get more points, and there's evidence that those bounces don't stay in your favor forever." The inverse of that is true (and Moore's season so far is a good example).
Take his second assist last night as just one example: he lofts a backhand from a terrible angle that Arvidsson waves at it and tips on the way to the net, throwing Georgiev off on reading it; it hits Georgiev in the chest, yet he drops it because of Arvidsson's tip; and Lizotte completely whiffs on his first backhand attempt, but the puck he whiffed on hits his dragging right foot and bounces back up to his stick for an easy backhand tap in goal. That wasn't some amazing play where Moore was rewarded for doing something he wasn't doing earlier in the season; it was just a chain of the puck bouncing the right way. If Arvidsson doesn't wave at and tip it then Georgiev probably is able to control it for a whistle. Unsurprisingly, his on-ice shooting percentage has bounced back to over 6% when he's getting a fortunate run of bounces like that.
Every single underlying number you could point to several weeks ago showed that the Kings were handily controlling the run of play when he was on the ice while generating more scoring chances than opponents. He was posting career highs in possession and scoring chance numbers, and it was only a matter of time until his numbers started to reflect that. He was still aggressively forechecking, stealing pucks, and creating offensive opportunities. Pucks are just finally going in the net when he's on the ice.
BringTheReign
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I'm hoping Toffoli and Iafallo's most recent contracts as comparables will keep it reasonable. He's still an RFA thankfully.
Raccoon Jesus
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Alright, here is what I said about Moore, since I think critics are getting misconstrued:
Late November:
"I'm usually a Trevor Moore apologist. I see great value in his game even when he's not scoring but like you point out the issue is how many of those guys do you need?
You can see it when we're on the PP--the risk-averse nature of the roster building means you just have a bunch of two-way guys and no 'offensive specialists' outside Durzi. You could easily have room on the roster for at least one line of maybe more risky offensive guys that you can deploy in PP situations or in the Ozone. That's what I was under the impression Danault was for--him and Kopitar eat the hard minutes so the youth don't have to--and that really just hasn't been the case outside of Kupari but that's not exactly high octane offense, he's a Trevor Lewis. Still blows my mind that Vilardi has had harder starts than Danault. Like what in the world. "
Late December:
"Moore's offensive inconsistencies are why he's a bottom sixer not a top sixer. See Trevor Lewis.
He's still doing everything right and creating turnovers and supporting the puck so would be hard to displace him , the points will come.
Edit: yep looking up the metrics and he just has some absolute shit luck right now which I think matches the eye test, only a matter of time till stuff starts going in. Lowest real on-ice shooting % on the team, some bad goaltending luck too, he's got an xGF% of 58% which is highest for forwards on the team and an actual GF% that's nearly lowest on the team lol, that's gonna reconcile to some degree soon, hope it starts tonight!
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There was also a point in there where he WAS having a bad couple of weeks after not scoring a bunch but started turning the puck over a lot too, looked tired, couldn't carry OR forecheck. I called for him to be benched for a game or two several times. No, he WAS NOT playing the exact same, hence the difference in opinion. Its' like Lizotte last year too--some people are getting painted like they were trying to get either of these two guys traded when really it was 1. Okay you're not scoring and that's fine, that's not truly your role but 2. you're not currently good at your actual role either so it's time to take a breath.
Don't confuse benching a bad run of play for GTFO.
TLDR playing good and pucks going in now now doesn't mean the critics of his play weren't right at some point.
Late November:
"I'm usually a Trevor Moore apologist. I see great value in his game even when he's not scoring but like you point out the issue is how many of those guys do you need?
You can see it when we're on the PP--the risk-averse nature of the roster building means you just have a bunch of two-way guys and no 'offensive specialists' outside Durzi. You could easily have room on the roster for at least one line of maybe more risky offensive guys that you can deploy in PP situations or in the Ozone. That's what I was under the impression Danault was for--him and Kopitar eat the hard minutes so the youth don't have to--and that really just hasn't been the case outside of Kupari but that's not exactly high octane offense, he's a Trevor Lewis. Still blows my mind that Vilardi has had harder starts than Danault. Like what in the world. "
Late December:
"Moore's offensive inconsistencies are why he's a bottom sixer not a top sixer. See Trevor Lewis.
He's still doing everything right and creating turnovers and supporting the puck so would be hard to displace him , the points will come.
Edit: yep looking up the metrics and he just has some absolute shit luck right now which I think matches the eye test, only a matter of time till stuff starts going in. Lowest real on-ice shooting % on the team, some bad goaltending luck too, he's got an xGF% of 58% which is highest for forwards on the team and an actual GF% that's nearly lowest on the team lol, that's gonna reconcile to some degree soon, hope it starts tonight!
"
There was also a point in there where he WAS having a bad couple of weeks after not scoring a bunch but started turning the puck over a lot too, looked tired, couldn't carry OR forecheck. I called for him to be benched for a game or two several times. No, he WAS NOT playing the exact same, hence the difference in opinion. Its' like Lizotte last year too--some people are getting painted like they were trying to get either of these two guys traded when really it was 1. Okay you're not scoring and that's fine, that's not truly your role but 2. you're not currently good at your actual role either so it's time to take a breath.
Don't confuse benching a bad run of play for GTFO.
TLDR playing good and pucks going in now now doesn't mean the critics of his play weren't right at some point.
Chazz Reinhold
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I wasn’t even aware you had been critical and wasn’t responding to anything you had said. In any event, I don’t see any drop-off in his play this year compared to last year (save for an occasional game where he’s not much of a factor…which is something that tends to happen to most players in the NHL not named Connor Mcdavid). I point to underlying numbers at this point in relation to what they showed earlier this season because short of one of us having access to InStat in order to pull each and every one of his shifts for in-depth analysis, we’re working off our subjective recollections of games to describe his play. I can just say that there have been many games where I see and make note of him stealing the puck, making quick 5- to 10-foot passes to get the play going forward, and generally creating pressure, which is what I saw him doing last year and through the early part of this season.
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Axl Rhoadz
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He's also playing on a better line. I think he's been pretty good all season, just didn't have the points to back it up.
disagree, puck possession is key. easier to kill the penalty if you can win and dump right off the bat.
Kaliyev's passes are incredible, esp for a 20 yr old rookie learning support aspects of the game. Whether short passes or long, pp or even strength, offensive or defensive zone. He makes unusually gifted passes that almost always work with minimal bad turnovers. Kid is so talented. Just wait until the sniping starts hitting home...it will come. Put him with Byfield and Turcotte, esp PP, at some point in the future and see what happens.
Goes way higher in a redraft..where he should have gone originally. Kings were very fortunate.
(I went nuts when they passed on him at 22..thought for sure he'd be gone by 33)
(whoops..sorry..meant to add this to above as an edit)
Arvidsson is a funny player. I think if you were to play a drinking game where you do a shot every time he hits the ice you would be hammered by the end of the first. It looks like his helmet is 4 sizes too big and maybe it is weighing him down. I love his offensive instinct and attitude, but his hands are shit. Don't take this as me bitching about him, he provides something LA needed and has been a solid addition. That 2nd line has been the kings top line for a few games now.
I thought Roy looked really really good last night.
Felt the opposite on Kupari. I wonder when his cup of coffee is done and if it's time to give Vilardi Kupari's spot,
Good to see Cal put together two straight good games.
I like Brown's usage as a bottom 6 player but than see's the ice on the PP. Speaking of witch that 2nd unit looked a million times better than the top PP. I think Durzi at the point with Kopitar and Doughty on either boards should be looked at. I would put Kempe and Iafallo with those three to complete the top unit.
Will be weird to see Carter back in LA. Hopefully LA puts together another strong game.
I thought Roy looked really really good last night.
Felt the opposite on Kupari. I wonder when his cup of coffee is done and if it's time to give Vilardi Kupari's spot,
Good to see Cal put together two straight good games.
I like Brown's usage as a bottom 6 player but than see's the ice on the PP. Speaking of witch that 2nd unit looked a million times better than the top PP. I think Durzi at the point with Kopitar and Doughty on either boards should be looked at. I would put Kempe and Iafallo with those three to complete the top unit.
Will be weird to see Carter back in LA. Hopefully LA puts together another strong game.
It is so frustrating to see the Kings have very speedy players who just can't make it translate to high octane offense (Kupari, Wagner...)
I'm not ready to put Kupari in the same breath as Wagner, but I get what you are saying. I still have high hopes for Kupari.
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