GDT: 2021-22 season game 32 LA Kings vs Vancouver Canucks @7:30pm 12/30/21

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So what do you want to do with Turcotte when Byfield is ready? Shift him to wing?

Kopitar
Danault
Byfield
Lizotte

All these guys have center positions locked up for the foreseeable future. I guess if Turcotte is going to continue to play in the NHL it'll have to be on wing.
 
I dunno I thought all lines were clicking and I thought Moore had a noticeably fine game. Danault lost Iafallo but was still able to cause havoc with Moore and Arvy in the correct zone of play.

I thought Moore was fine last night, but I don't think that link was clicking at all.....could be the other 3 lines were just playing that much better to make it noticeable though....so there is that
 
So what do you want to do with Turcotte when Byfield is ready? Shift him to wing?

Kopitar
Danault
Byfield
Lizotte

All these guys have center positions locked up for the foreseeable future. I guess if Turcotte is going to continue to play in the NHL it'll have to be on wing.

I think you put Turcotte down in the AHL with a list of things to work on, he has some, then in the off-season have a talk with Kopitar, tell him the plan,

I also think and there is a trend on this, that you don't have a top line vs 4th line, or a top six vs bottom six, I think you run a top 9......and like I said before, aim for equal ice time, but run the shit out of whichever line is playing the best at that time.

I don't know if you throw Byfield in at top spot and put that weight on, but I also don't think you put him in the bottom....
 
Trading Kopitar in the off season probably makes the most sense. But you have to eat half is salary, and probably still take some additional salary back. Plus he has a NTC.

Then you go into next season with no "top line" and just roll 4 forward lines. That's probably too progressive of an idea for the Kings though.
 
Trading Kopitar in the off season probably makes the most sense. But you have to eat half is salary, and probably still take some additional salary back. Plus he has a NTC.

Then you go into next season with no "top line" and just roll 4 forward lines. That's probably too progressive of an idea for the Kings though.

It does, but you will have to ship Doughty off right after.....he's much much much harder to replace....
 
Trading Kopitar in the off season probably makes the most sense. But you have to eat half is salary, and probably still take some additional salary back. Plus he has a NTC.

Then you go into next season with no "top line" and just roll 4 forward lines. That's probably too progressive of an idea for the Kings though.

We need to replace a PPG player if Kopi gets moved. Byfield will need the full 2.5 years(rest of Kopi's contract) to get there or more to become that type of player. I rather keep him and move some kids up when they are ready to play with him then create a huge hole right now.
 
So what do you want to do with Turcotte when Byfield is ready? Shift him to wing?

Kopitar
Danault
Byfield
Lizotte

All these guys have center positions locked up for the foreseeable future. I guess if Turcotte is going to continue to play in the NHL it'll have to be on wing.

Might be worth trying Lizotte on the wing for a few games, see if he can be as effective while letting the younger guys break in at their natural position. If its not working move him back.
 
That's not bad....I think Arvidsson needs to get away from Danault, I like Moore, but he's run of the mill at this point, he's a good energy guy, good PK etc, but meh
Arvidsson needs a setup man so he can use his good shot to score more goals. TMac once again is not coaching the best out some players. The Kings need to score more goals and that's what Arvidsson was signed for and yet he's only scored a measly 6 goals. Danault is definitely too much of a defensive minded center to be playing with Arvidsson. Other than Kopitar, who else can pass the puck of the centers, since it doesn't seem like Arvidsson can get any chemistry on that 1st line?
 
Might be worth trying Lizotte on the wing for a few games, see if he can be as effective while letting the younger guys break in at their natural position. If its not working move him back.
It's worth a try, although you'd be breaking up a line that's been very effective.

Take Moore out of the lineup maybe?

Iafallo-Kopitar-Kempe
Grundstrom-Danault-Arvidsson
Lizotte-Byfield-Kupari
Lemieux-Turcotte-Kaliyev
Moore, Andersson
 
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It's worth a try, although you'd be breaking up a line that's been very effective.

Take Moore out of the lineup maybe?

Iafallo-Kopitar-Kempe
Grundstrom-Danault-Arvidsson
Lizotte-Byfield-Kupari
Lemieux-Turcotte-Kaliyev
Moore, Andersson

I'd flip Turcotte or Byfield, put them with Arvidsson, like the other poster said, he needs a set up guy, Danault is not it.
 
It is rumors and I am sure there is probably some truth to it since he is 25 and is on his 3rd NHL team.

However, certain people in life grow up in the shadow of their dad. It sort of reminds me of Lt. Pete Mitchell.

Pete was a great fighter pilot. However everyone thought of his dad before they thought of the merits that Pete brought to the table. Most don't know that Duke Mitchell was involved in a dogfight that some say was the worst they have seen. Duke's F4 was hit and he could have made it back to base but he stayed in the fight and saved 3 other planes that day. Now this may have occurred over the wrong border so the bravery he showed that day wont be talked about because it could end some peoples career.

Brendan is in some ways is Pete. Brendan is even called "Pepe" the nickname of his father, one of the most hated players in all of NHL history. Like Tony DeAngelo, I see both of these players in sort of the same light as they grew up to be the brats their parents allowed them to be, but have realized they are on their final chance to become a part of this league and have started to grow up.

I myself am a big fan of the kid. Besides his handsome good looks, he brings it, every shift. He's kind of our modern day Lappy, except Lappy didn't bite and Brendan can't smell his own ear.

Go Kings!







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That was pretty good. One of the best post of the year.

Sincerely,
Maverick
 
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It's worth a try, although you'd be breaking up a line that's been very effective.

Take Moore out of the lineup maybe?

Iafallo-Kopitar-Kempe
Grundstrom-Danault-Arvidsson
Lizotte-Byfield-Kupari
Lemieux-Turcotte-Kaliyev
Moore, Andersson

That's true, but if they can keep up their play on separate lines they may be able to get a few more players going. Either way, no harm in trying.
 
It's worth a try, although you'd be breaking up a line that's been very effective.

Take Moore out of the lineup maybe?

Iafallo-Kopitar-Kempe
Grundstrom-Danault-Arvidsson
Lizotte-Byfield-Kupari
Lemieux-Turcotte-Kaliyev
Moore, Andersson
Turcotte can move to the wing like he did when playing with Jack Hughes..
Kempe-Kopitar-Ardvisson
Turcotte-Danault-Iafallo
Tonka-Byfield-Vilardi
Pepe-Lizotte-Moore
 
Trading Kopitar in the off season probably makes the most sense. But you have to eat half is salary, and probably still take some additional salary back. Plus he has a NTC.

Then you go into next season with no "top line" and just roll 4 forward lines. That's probably too progressive of an idea for the Kings though.
most sense for what ?Going for 1st overall ?
 
most sense for what ?Going for 1st overall ?
What are we going for with Kopitar on the roster? 9th - 12th in the West? Getting swept in the 1st round? Another lottery pick in the top 5?

WTF does keeping Kopitar really do for this organization long term?
 
What are we going for with Kopitar on the roster? 9th - 12th in the West? Getting swept in the 1st round? Another lottery pick in the top 5?

WTF does keeping Kopitar really do for this organization long term?

Buying us time until Byfield is ready? I agree we are not winning anything with the current team as constructed but if we somehow make it in, one more kick of the can for old time's sake just to see if Quick can win us a round would be great to see.
 
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Buying us time until Byfield is ready? I agree we are not winning anything with the current team as constructed but if we somehow make it in, one more kick of the can for old time's sake just to see if Quick can win us a round would be great to see.

No, you see, it's about making the team bad now, then the Kings can stockpile first overalls like the well-oiled machines of Edmonton and Buffalo.
 
No, you see, it's about making the team bad now, then the Kings can stockpile first overalls like the well-oiled machines of Edmonton and Buffalo.
It's not about this at all. It's about changing the leadership, getting rid of the core that doesn't lead, and bringing in some vets who the kids can respect, all while letting the kids play in spots they will be in when the team is competitive again.

As I said, Kopitar's competition for the 1C when he arrived at age 19 was Armstrong. Was that really any competition? Kopitar was handed the job.

I don't see why we should hold back Byfield, Vilardi, Turcotte, etc. for the likes of the vet "leaders" who currently are blocking them on the roster. There is nothing to be gained by keeping these non-leaders on the roster.
 
Kopitar isn't that good anymore. Having in on the team for the next two years will make little difference.
 
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It's not about this at all. It's about changing the leadership, getting rid of the core that doesn't lead, and bringing in some vets who the kids can respect, all while letting the kids play in spots they will be in when the team is competitive again.

As I said, Kopitar's competition for the 1C when he arrived at age 19 was Armstrong. Was that really any competition? Kopitar was handed the job.

I don't see why we should hold back Byfield, Vilardi, Turcotte, etc. for the likes of the vet "leaders" who currently are blocking them on the roster. There is nothing to be gained by keeping these non-leaders on the roster.

Your argument of getting rid of Kopitar for new leadership comes across as disingenuous. Every year, since 2015, you've advocated trading Kopitar. When asked with "who would you replace him with?" It's been, in summary, "anyone but him."

You don't praise players for the leadership they bring. You don't say "this player would be great at starting a new culture."

It's been about trading away Kopitar, get value while you can, and nab a random free agent until the Kings get a pick/prospect back to take over.

So, I'm sorry, I have a hard time believing your intentions are anything but anti-Kopitar.

DL didn't have a Kopitar type of player to trade away. He had Demitra, who was talented, but fell into the mold of "not playing due to hurting rather than not playing due to injury." So, trading away Kopitar as if it's some big-brain move is unwise. Demitra did not fit into the culture despite his talent. Kopitar's shortcomings in leadership isn't an element of being detrimental to the culture.

What "leader" should the Kings bring in? What good does it do to trade away Kopitar if your infrastructure's best product is Tyler Toffoli?

It's silly to think management can try to sell another rebuild after literally just setting playoff expectations. They haven't addressed the fundamental issues with development. And Kopitar's cap hit isn't blocking anyone else from coming in.

If the Kings had a prospect take ownership/lead, and Kopitar were relegated to third line center during this player's ELC, would you be okay with keeping Kopitar on his contract? If the answer is yes, then I'd believe your priority is about leadership. If the answer is no, then frankly that just reinforces what I think matters to you.

If the answer is "that would never happen" then you're blaming Kopitar for organizational shortcomings.

Either way, the Kings need new people to take ownership. And growing pains are to be expected. If Doughty/Kopitar won't buy in, or if they can't play at this level anymore, sure. Go.

But frankly all I see are constant complaints about a player fans are lucky to have and the organization is going to be in a lot of trouble when he's gone. Instead of looking for ways to complement his leadership you hate so much, you just want to get rid of him.
 
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Your argument of getting rid of Kopitar for new leadership comes across as disingenuous. Every year, since 2015, you've advocated trading Kopitar. When asked with "who would you replace him with?" It's been, in summary, "anyone but him."

You don't praise players for the leadership they bring. You don't say "this player would be great at starting a new culture."

It's been about trading away Kopitar, get value while you can, and nab a random free agent until the Kings get a pick/prospect back to take over.

So, I'm sorry, I have a hard time believing your intentions are anything but anti-Kopitar.

DL didn't have a Kopitar type of player to trade away. He had Demitra, who was talented, but fell into the mold of "not playing due to hurting rather than not playing due to injury." So, trading away Kopitar as if it's some big-brain move is unwise. Demitra did not fit into the culture despite his talent. Kopitar's shortcomings in leadership isn't an element of being detrimental to the culture.

What "leader" should the Kings bring in? What good does it do to trade away Kopitar if your infrastructure's best product is Tyler Toffoli?

It's silly to think management can try to sell another rebuild after literally just setting playoff expectations. They haven't addressed the fundamental issues with development. And Kopitar's cap hit isn't blocking anyone else from coming in.

If the Kings had a prospect take ownership/lead, and Kopitar were relegated to third line center during this player's ELC, would you be okay with keeping Kopitar on his contract? If the answer is yes, then I'd believe your priority is about leadership. If the answer is no, then frankly that just reinforces what I think matters to you.

If the answer is "that would never happen" then you're blaming Kopitar for organizational shortcomings.

Either way, the Kings need new people to take ownership. And growing pains are to be expected. If Doughty/Kopitar won't buy in, or if they can't play at this level anymore, sure. Go.

But frankly all I see are constant complaints about a player fans are lucky to have and the organization is going to be in a lot of trouble when he's gone. Instead of looking for ways to complement his leadership you hate so much, you just want to get rid of him.
I agree, it's silly to let the management of Bluc try to sell anything to us ever again. So, fire them and trade the leadership deadwood outta here.
 
It's certainly interesting to ponder whether the Kings actually developed Kopitar and Doughty at all, considering both guys stepped straight into the NHL and were immediately elite franchise players.

The Kings are pretty good at developing players defensively, but I wonder what Kopitar and Doughty would have looked like in different, more offensively-minded systems and organizations?
 

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