Speculation: 2021-22 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread Part VI

[Kurrilino]

So before we start making facetious comments about Tm playing a kid line like it's some kind of gotcha, realize he was quite literally out of options aside from playing Tkachev (LOL) or bringing back Frk.

I would consider those really nice options
What Tkachev is doing in the AHL is far beyond me.
This guys is a massive upgrade over Arvidson

 

[Mats26]

IIRC

Scratched: Tkachev, Andersson
Protocol: Brown
Injury: AA
Mystery: Thomas (injury?) Madden (Covid?) Tynan (Covid?)
PTO: Pavlychev (yay!) and Pastujov (ducks brother)
Frk and JAD and Byfield back to Ontario

Ontario STILL played a forward short last night

So before we start making facetious comments about Tm playing a kid line like it's some kind of gotcha, realize he was quite literally out of options aside from playing Tkachev (LOL) or bringing back Frk.

They could of put Turcotte - Danault- Arvidsson and Moore - Kupari - Grundstrom which is "safer" and easier to handle by some on here. Don't get me wrong it won't last long though.

 

[Statto]

That’s such a shortsighted statement, shit if you wanted someone to just bomb shots all day we have one Martin Frk down in Ontario.
Arthur needed to up his compete level but judging by your comment he should just float and wait for things to come to him right? From his first game to mow his game has improved which is what you call development, a weird concept I know.
You say he’s not getting chances? What games are you looking at? He’s had 65 att vs Zegras at 73 or Terry at 75.. so that argument doesn’t fly.
If you can’t see his growth throughout this season just say so.

I agree. I’m not saying mistakes haven’t been made elsewhere but with AK they are getting it right IMO. He is rounding out certain parts of his game so he can be relied upon to do a certain job in the top 6. That way when he gets his chance his line mates can focus on what they are supposed to do (let’s not pretend they alway do that) rather than covering for his ‘deficiencies’.

My hope is that the plan is that when Brown goes next season AK can slot into the top 6, fully understanding his job and being able to execute it. Now that’s not to say I don’t want to see his PP time go up as the season progresses and so on. However he’s getting minutes on an effective line and whilst he’s still learning and growing I’m fine with that. If things plateau then he absolutely needs to move up in the lineup. However right now his sheltered minutes seem to be working.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

As another aside on the Kopitar point, we were sold Danault would be taking some of his PK time too...welp, Kopi's PK time is only down 7 seconds a game...lol.

They have 12 players playing that are 24 years and younger...yet the average age of the regular top six is 30, and the youngest is Kempe at 25. Find me another team whose average age of the top six is so much older than the average age of the bottom six (top six = 30, bottom six = 22).

Honestly, I don't care enough to go through all 31 teams....I am sure there are a few out there.....but whatever, point is....the KIDS.....are playing, I go back to what I said earlier, maybe not as much as YOU want them, or where YOU want them, but they are playing, Kings average age is 26 something, point 3 etc, 7th youngest team in the league, and the only thing we keep hearing is how the kids are being stymied etc.

Let me ask you this, do you believe Kopitar will win a cup with LA during the remainder of his contract?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Honestly, I don't care enough to go through all 31 teams....I am sure there are a few out there.....but whatever, point is....the KIDS.....are playing, I go back to what I said earlier, maybe not as much as YOU want them, or where YOU want them, but they are playing, Kings average age is 26 something, point 3 etc, 7th youngest team in the league, and the only thing we keep hearing is how the kids are being stymied etc.

Let me ask you this, do you believe Kopitar will win a cup with LA during the remainder of his contract?

If your only criteron is that they're simply 'in the lineup,' then yeah, LA is one of the youngest teams and I cannot argue with that. But my issue is more nuanced than that and if you can't argue with it then don't. Again, the top six's average age is 30, the bottom is 22. To me, that is a concern.

No, I do not believe we will be winning a Cup under Kopitar's current contract.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

If your only criteron is that they're simply 'in the lineup,' then yeah, LA is one of the youngest teams and I cannot argue with that. But my issue is more nuanced than that and if you can't argue with it then don't. Again, the top six's average age is 30, the bottom is 22. To me, that is a concern.

No, I do not believe we will be winning a Cup under Kopitar's current contract.

So...why does it matter that Kopitar is playing more than Danault?

 

[KINGS17]

Honestly, I don't care enough to go through all 31 teams....I am sure there are a few out there.....but whatever, point is....the KIDS.....are playing, I go back to what I said earlier, maybe not as much as YOU want them, or where YOU want them, but they are playing, Kings average age is 26 something, point 3 etc, 7th youngest team in the league, and the only thing we keep hearing is how the kids are being stymied etc.

Let me ask you this, do you believe Kopitar will win a cup with LA during the remainder of his contract?

LOL!! NAFC!!!

 

[Maynard]

So...why does it matter that Kopitar is playing more than Danault?

Never seen someone try this hard to miss a point.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Never seen someone try this hard to miss a point.

Pray tell, what is the point that Kopitar is playing hard high minutes, if you don't think he's gonna play a part in the next cup run?

No seriously, what's the point of that.....

 

[KINGS17]

Pray tell, what is the point that Kopitar is playing hard high minutes, if you don't think he's gonna play a part in the next cup run?

No seriously, what's the point of that.....

There is no point to it. In fact, there is no point in even having Kopitar on the roster. The sooner he is moved, the better for the organization.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

There is no point to it. In fact, there is no point in even having Kopitar on the roster. The sooner he is moved, the better for the organization.

I guess, I mean....30 other teams can say that about their top C...the exception being the one who doesn't win the cup, tell me, you think Boston and Pittsburgh are saying the same thing? Better off if Bergeron or Crosby go? Unfortuately Pro Sports does not work this way, others have pointed this out numerous times....

 

[Schmooley]

I guess, I mean....30 other teams can say that about their top C...the exception being the one who doesn't win the cup, tell me, you think Boston and Pittsburgh are saying the same thing? Better off if Bergeron or Crosby go? Unfortuately Pro Sports does not work this way, others have pointed this out numerous times....

Thats not a good comparison. Boston and Pittsburgh are in the hunt every year while the Kings hit a certain point where the broadcast starts talking about how much Kopitar and the boys like golfing and how good they are at it and showing us pictures of their dogs.

 

[AbsentMojo]

I would consider those really nice options
What Tkachev is doing in the AHL is far beyond me.
This guys is a massive upgrade over Arvidson

Same reason Maata wasnt waived - Blake saving face w management. Tkachev is on a two contract getting paid 80k right now.. that looks better on the books parking him there despite the Kings needing more play makers and less grinders.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Thats not a good comparison. Boston and Pittsburgh are in the hunt every year while the Kings hit a certain point where the broadcast starts talking about how much Kopitar and the boys like golfing and how good they are at it and showing us pictures of their dogs.

Is Boston in the hunt every year because of Bergeron, or because of Marchand, Pasternak, McAvoy, Rask etc?

You realize right now...LA is...in the hunt.....right?

 

[kilowatt]

I guess, I mean....30 other teams can say that about their top C...the exception being the one who doesn't win the cup, tell me, you think Boston and Pittsburgh are saying the same thing? Better off if Bergeron or Crosby go? Unfortuately Pro Sports does not work this way, others have pointed this out numerous times....

Did you know that Kopitar, Brown, and Quick are older today than any Kings player that played in the playoffs when they won their first cup? Scuderi and Mitchell were 33 and 34, respectively, when the Kings won their first cup. Doughty would be the third-oldest player on that cup team today. Adrian Kempe is older than Kopitar was when we first won.

 

[LAKings88]

I still say that Kaliyev’s place in the lineup is two fold:

He is being sheltered as a rookie.

The line’s success is keeping it together which in turn keeps him from other looks on different lines.

 

[Schmooley]

Is Boston in the hunt every year because of Bergeron, or because of Marchand, Pasternak, McAvoy, Rask etc?

You realize right now...LA is...in the hunt.....right?

No its not solely because of Bergeron but you dont trade your 1c when you are trying to make a run every year.
Yes I realize Kings are in the hunt but its still very early. Kings havent made a run in many years and have been playing on the back of Kopitar.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Did you know that Kopitar, Brown, and Quick are older today than any Kings player that played in the playoffs when they won their first cup? Scuderi and Mitchell were 33 and 34, respectively, when the Kings won their first cup. Doughty would be the third-oldest player on that cup team today. Adrian Kempe is older than Kopitar was when we first won.

Yep, I also knew the price of tea in China today was a dollar....

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I still say that Kaliyev’s place in the lineup is two fold:

He is being sheltered as a rookie.

The line’s success is keeping it together which in turn keeps him from other looks on different lines.

Nothing wrong with any of that....

 

[KingsFan7824]

Well, the Dodgers used to do it all the time, and they were almost always in contention, which is what the fans actually wanted.

Steve Garvey - Bye
Davey Lopes - Bye
Ron Cey - Bye
Don Sutton - Bye
Fernando Valenzuela - Bye

Fernando is a bigger LA icon than Kopitar or Doughty will ever dream of being, and was shipped out of town at 30 years of age.

Fernando was also coming off his career worst ERA before the Dodgers let him go. Unfortunately Kopitar kept his 16-17 season for 16-17, not 15-16. When, had the Kings been the bottom 10 team they should've been, instead of whatever DL thought they were when he brought in all those vets, and Kopitar is having a terrible year, maybe then you can get rid of a UFA-to-be.

Not that comparing baseball decades ago to the hard cap system the NHL has today is quite equal, but whatever. Plus the Dodgers didn't win a playoff game until 2004 post-Fernando. That sounds like losing, not contention. Even with fewer playoff spots in baseball. It's either winning or losing. 0 playoff wins for 15 years ain't contending.

IIRC

Scratched: Tkachev, Andersson
Protocol: Brown
Injury: AA
Mystery: Thomas (injury?) Madden (Covid?) Tynan (Covid?)
PTO: Pavlychev (yay!) and Pastujov (ducks brother)
Frk and JAD and Byfield back to Ontario

Ontario STILL played a forward short last night

So before we start making facetious comments about Tm playing a kid line like it's some kind of gotcha, realize he was quite literally out of options aside from playing Tkachev (LOL) or bringing back Frk.

Exactly. You can't give coaches veteran options. What are there, like 32 head coaches in the NHL, right? How many of them won't do what the majority of coaches do? Why does Goodrow get more time than Kakko or Lafreniere with the Rangers? And that's the mastermind coach that everyone slobbers over. Goodrow is a decent player, would be a more than welcome addition to the Kings, but he's Barclay Goodrow. He's got 4 goals in 31 games. People know his name because he happened to be on a stacked TB team.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Fernando was also coming off his career worst ERA before the Dodgers let him go. Unfortunately Kopitar kept his 16-17 season for 16-17, not 15-16. When, had the Kings been the bottom 10 team they should've been, instead of whatever DL thought they were when he brought in all those vets, and Kopitar is having a terrible year, maybe then you can get rid of a UFA-to-be.

Not that comparing baseball decades ago to the hard cap system the NHL has today is quite equal, but whatever. Plus the Dodgers didn't win a playoff game until 2004 post-Fernando. That sounds like losing, not contention. Even with fewer playoff spots in baseball. It's either winning or losing. 0 playoff wins for 15 years ain't contending.



Exactly. You can't give coaches veteran options. What are there, like 32 head coaches in the NHL, right? How many of them won't do what the majority of coaches do? Why does Goodrow get more time than Kakko or Lafreniere with the Rangers? And that's the mastermind coach that everyone slobbers over. Goodrow is a decent player, would be a more than welcome addition to the Kings, but he's Barclay Goodrow. He's got 4 goals in 31 games. People know his name because he happened to be on a stacked TB team.

Part of this as well, is players mesh well with certain players, more about line creation that minutes deployed I get that, but look at Edmonton, Zack Kassian was playing top six minutes for a while, Hyman is #1 LW, not because of the talent, but what he brings compliments McDavid etc, Same thing in Tampa, Ross Colton #1 RW, obviously missing Kucherov, but Colton isn't a top line player, hell look at Vegas, playing Stephenson as a 1st line C..... FLA Maxim Mamin first line RW, Toronto, Kase top six, Bunting, top line LW etc,

It's not just omg he's talented play him, there is a chemistry affect, ala Lizotte line vs the Danault line, you can phyiscally see the difference, even though the Danault line individually, is more skilled.

 

[King'sPawn]

Never seen someone try this hard to miss a point.

It seriously rivals the andys/Kubalik nonsense.

Unfortunately it's pointless ignoring since none of the posts in this thread make sense as everyone's responding to him.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

What do you think the Kings could realistically trade Quick for? Would you trade him?

 

[Mats26]

It seriously rivals the andys/Kubalik nonsense.

Unfortunately it's pointless ignoring since none of the posts in this thread make sense as everyone's responding to him.

Someone should tell him that Rask doesn't even have an NHL contract and he names him as a reason Bruins are in the hunt...lol

 

[Statto]

LOL!! NAFC!!!

Unfortunately I think you are right. What a want for Kopitar is to lead the charge on the ice like he did the first few games. However he seems off the pace. If he can get back to his early season form he can seriously help the development of the players coming through both indirectly and directly but this version is a concern to say the least. I say that as a Kopitar homer that has to think/hope he’s playing hurt or something.