Speculation: 2021-22 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread Part VI

[redcard]

Learning what in the NHL?

He is a former Top 5 pick who projected to be a 1st or 2nd line center 2.5 years ago who is playing 4th line LW in the NHL. What is the benefit to this if you are the Kings?

And tonight he's going to be playing against the back-to-back Stanley cup champs in his 8th NHL game. How does one learn how to play against NHL players without playing against NHL players? Let alone NHL players of the caliber of Hedman, Stamkos, Malkin, Crosby, et al.

The AHL season is 68 games. NHL season is 82 games. He may be getting fewer minutes on the 4th line in the NHL but its harder minutes and more games than he'd be getting in Ontario.

A rookie with 37 games experience is probably going to contribute more than a rookie with 7 games, but you have to play him in 37 games first. If he's not conceding goals while he's on the ice, I don't see the issue here.

 

[LAKings88]

Turcotte seems like a facilitator and playmaker. And that’s ok. But with center depth, he likely ends up on the wing or 4c. Guessing it’s more likely the wing.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Why not? Kupari does.

And it sounds like you're agreeing with me, he needs some 'scoring line' time.

The only place I’m send Kupari and Turcotte is to Arizona.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

For those advocating to send Turcotte back,

What do you expect him to learn in the AHL that he can not learn or has not learned, playing and practicing with NHLers?

In theory, PP1/line 1 time to further develop his scoring touch. He'd be playing more minutes, more offensive situations, vs. tough competition but also NHL-bound or NHL-tweener linemates. In practice...so far they don't even put him on the PP so fair point.

I've seen enough to know he 'gets' the game. I'm not worried about his two-way ability, he's ALREADY shown to be upper echelon there, i'ts unreal watching him process the game. I want him to further develop his scoring touch and he's not getting that on a bottom line with last-legs brown and can't-hit-the-ocean-from-a-boat Kupari.

If he is going to stay in the NHL this year, he needs to either play with Kaliyev-Vilardi-Byfield-other kids that are a depth 'offense' line like the ducks did with Getzlaf-Perry in their first cup run OR move him up to the top six. Keeping him in the bottom six in a checking role only reinforces that what he has to do to stay here is just be a good responsible little checker and next thing you know he's just andrew cogliano instead of jonathan toews.

 

[lumbergh]

And tonight he's going to be playing against the back-to-back Stanley cup champs in his 8th NHL game. How does one learn how to play against NHL players without playing against NHL players? Let alone NHL players of the caliber of Hedman, Stamkos, Malkin, Crosby, et al.

The AHL season is 68 games. NHL season is 82 games. He may be getting fewer minutes on the 4th line in the NHL but its harder minutes and more games than he'd be getting in Ontario.

A rookie with 37 games experience is probably going to contribute more than a rookie with 7 games, but you have to play him in 37 games first. If he's not conceding goals while he's on the ice, I don't see the issue here.

I’m trying to make sense of this post. Once you draft a Turcotte, you are making the case that he can only learn to play in the NHL by playing in the NHL. Why does the AHL even exist?

The Kings regularly bring a prospect up for a spell and then send him back down to the AHL. They generally look and produce much better the second time around. That’s because they now understand the speed and pace at which the NHL game is played, and they go and work on specific strengths and deficiencies in the AHL.

Turcotte has things to work on. He’s better off working on them in the AHL.

 

[apocalypse]

Right now Alex Turcotte IS Nick Shore. No points and -1 in 7 games. 1 goal in 76 minutes when he's on the ice at even strength.

Alex Turcotte needs to go back to the A and get minutes on a top line. He needs to learn how to contribute on the scoresheet, not just with hustle. He can't just take up space indefinitely.

I agree, but it's nice watching him develop before our eyes. Kid can play. He just needs more time.

 

[redcard]

I’m trying to make sense of this post. Once you draft a Turcotte, you are making the case that he can only learn to play in the NHL by playing in the NHL. Why does the AHL even exist?

The Kings regularly bring a prospect up for a spell and then send him back down to the AHL. They generally look and produce much better the second time around. That’s because they now understand the speed and pace at which the NHL game is played, and they go and work on specific strengths and deficiencies in the AHL.

Turcotte has things to work on. He’s better off working on them in the AHL.

I'm not saying he can't learn anything in the AHL, I'm saying he can learn things in the NHL as the question posed to me was what can he learn in the NHL. These games, NHL minutes and opponents have value to his growth and he's not costing the team by being a liability on the ice. I don't have a problem with him going down, but I also don't have a problem with him staying up.

 

[KingsHockey24]

I just wanna see JAD and Tkachev get another shot.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Arthur is looking very strong and even shows more poise - which is crazy, as the day he was drafted, that word would never be used. He's looking more confident and
at times, you get glimpses that one day he will (at times) take over a shift and and dominate the opposition. Maybe not an entire game. That cross ice pass at the end
was a little risky and he's not done so much of that and failed.

While he's been good on the Lizotte and Lemieux line, I would like to see him move up and play with Kopi or Phil for a game. (while Adrian is out)

 

[Mats26]

I just want to see Kaliyev on PP1 then. Hate to see him battling every night without getting rewarded to fire some pucks in prime scoring areas. He is long overdue for a goal.

U would think TMac can read this post and stick to it. Like I said, Kaliyev should be on first PP. Kid needs better looks.

 

[YP44]

Now is the time to get Chycrhun. He checks every f***ing box, and Maata's shit play was on full display yesterday.

 

[YP44]

I just wanna see JAD and Tkachev get another shot.

Yes to JAD. I was not big on the Tkachev signing. I would rather see Vilardi get another shot.

 

[Fat Elvis]

DD8's contract is going to be a horrendous anchor sooner than later. It's obvious his injury this season isn't being helped by 24+ minutes a night. A huge amount of heavy miles are in that 32 year old, and the miles keep getting added at an obnoxious rate. TM has got to see pulling the reins in and lowering his minutes to 20 max, otherwise he'll be a shell of what he showed last night.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I really don't see anything that Turcotte does on the ice at any level: college, AHL, now NHL, that convinces me they made the right choice at 5th overall.

The Kings used a top 5 pick on a grinder who they may be fortunate if he develops into anything more than third line player. On the plus side, he's not a liability on the ice and he works hard, but on the negative side, he can barely stay on his feet, and he doesn't really display any skill that stands out.

At this point, the best way they can maximize his value would be as a trade asset, but even then, how many teams are going to place him on a high pedestal on their wish lists?

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I really don't see anything that Turcotte does on the ice at any level: college, AHL, now NHL, that convinces me they made the right choice at 5th overall.

The Kings used a top 5 pick on a grinder who they may be fortunate if he develops into anything more than third line player. On the plus side, he's not a liability on the ice and he works hard, but on the negative side, he can barely stay on his feet, and he doesn't really display any skill that stands out.

At this point, the best way they can maximize his value would be as a trade asset, but even then, how many teams are going to place him on a high pedestal on their wish lists?

He looked great in the last WJC and centered the top line with Zegras -- but I agree with you, I'm not seeing anything at the NHL level right now. But let's not get into this debate on how the Kings flubbed the pick, every forecast had Turcotte in at least the top 10, mostly top 5 if I remember correctly. With all that said, let's not forget that most players need time, look no further than Adrian Kempe.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

He looked great in the last WJC and centered the top line with Zegras -- but I agree with you, I'm not seeing anything at the NHL level right now. But let's not get into this debate on how the Kings flubbed the pick, every forecast had Turcotte in at least the top 10, mostly top 5 if I remember correctly. With all that said, let's not forget that most players need time, look no further than Adrian Kempe.

That’s true, people have waited patiently (or impatiently) with Kempe, but he displayed quite a bit in his first stint which helped build up expectations. We saw glimpses into his potential early on, same even applies with Vilardi.

The only impression we have of Turcotte thus far is as a Trevor Lewis clone.

 

[kingsfan]

I don't think Schenn looked very good in his brief shot with the Kings before we dealt him either. He's not been an all-star either but certainly a very nice player. If Turcotte turns in Schenn I'm happy. It's not ideal and we took a slight loss considering what we should get for a 5th overall pick but hardly a busted pick either. Could be worse, could be Hickey.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

I don't think Schenn looked very good in his brief shot with the Kings before we dealt him either. He's not been an all-star either but certainly a very nice player. If Turcotte turns in Schenn I'm happy. It's not ideal and we took a slight loss considering what we should get for a 5th overall pick but hardly a busted pick either. Could be worse, could be Hickey.

That’s the best case scenario at this point.

 

[bland]

Lol.

 

[Dykstra]

Schenn is a good example, I remember I had many doubts about his play after his brief stint with the Kings, his WJC was top notch tho.

 

[funky]

I had the pleasure of watching Schenn play Jr. I see a few comparisons between he and Turcotte but Schenn had a much higher skill level. Turcotte has a better motor. I am seeing Turcotte as a middle 6 energy guy with some skill if he can shake the injuries. An Iafallo on steroids type.

 

[YP44]

DD8's contract is going to be a horrendous anchor sooner than later. It's obvious his injury this season isn't being helped by 24+ minutes a night. A huge amount of heavy miles are in that 32 year old, and the miles keep getting added at an obnoxious rate. TM has got to see pulling the reins in and lowering his minutes to 20 max, otherwise he'll be a shell of what he showed last night.

How when there is no else ready for those minutes. Blake needs to bring a guy who can shoulder some of the load.

 

[YP44]

I really don't see anything that Turcotte does on the ice at any level: college, AHL, now NHL, that convinces me they made the right choice at 5th overall.

The Kings used a top 5 pick on a grinder who they may be fortunate if he develops into anything more than third line player. On the plus side, he's not a liability on the ice and he works hard, but on the negative side, he can barely stay on his feet, and he doesn't really display any skill that stands out.

At this point, the best way they can maximize his value would be as a trade asset, but even then, how many teams are going to place him on a high pedestal on their wish lists?

Hopefully just one, Arizona

 

[Trash Panda]

Anointing Turcotte as a bust after a limited stint like this is absolutely comical.

Almost as funny as thinking that selling the farm for LD help at this point is a good idea.

One loss, in a developmental season, isn’t the end of the world. More good will come from coaching adjustments than player transactions this year.

Park and ride.

 

[YP44]

Anointing Turcotte as a bust after a limited stint like this is absolutely comical.

Almost as funny as thinking that selling the farm for LD help at this point is a good idea.

One loss, in a developmental season, isn’t the end of the world. More good will come from coaching adjustments than player transactions this year.

Park and ride.

I don't think Turcotte is a bust and I don't think dealing him in a package for Chycrhun would be selling the farm. It would be good asset management to address a position of weakness using a position of strength. To me Chychun is not just LD help he would be LD future.

I am not bummed out from last night. Even though Tampa only had 4 D there were a lot of good that happened. One LA did not back down, and did not shut down when they were trailing. They had the champs on the ropes, was a good/decent game. Special teams is an absolute joke, but that has been the case for a lot more than last nights game.