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So now that we are getting close…

Iafallo - Kopitar - Arvidsson
Kempe - Danault - Brown
Athanasiou - Vilardi - Moore
Andersson - JAD - Lemieux
Wagner, Lizotte, Grundstrom

Anderson - Doughty
Edler - Roy
Bjornfot - Walker
Maatta, Clague

I agree with Hoven that Kings will likely put Maata on waivers rather than Clague.

The wild cards are Kupari, Frk and the new Russian kid.
 
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So I started to agree that Byfield would start in the AHL but after seeing him being trotted out for that Dodgers night I think it’s NHL.

Everybody there was on the roster last year or a new addition. Byfield was the only “prospect” there. He’s not being treated like a prospect, he’s on the roster unless he messes up.
 
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Consensus is Byfield is AHL - he didn’t even play a full season in the A. He really should be in the OHL last year and this year.

Just because a player is at the game doesn’t mean anything.
 
kingsholygrail said:
Less than a month away from a new season. Is it just me or did this off season feel quick? Maybe it's how late the SCF was.
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I don't know the last 3 offseasons has been long as hale for me. Goodness sake especially since Hockey is the only dayum sport I watch and follow. Let's get this thing started already we have another week before it starts shoot me already. Sheesh.
 
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Johnny Utah said:
So now that we are getting close…

Iafallo - Kopitar - Arvidsson
Kempe - Danault - Moore
Athanasiou - Vilardi - Andersson
Grundstrom - JAD - Lemieux
Wagner, Lizotte

Anderson - Doughty
Edler - Roy
Bjornfot - Walker
Maatta, Clague

I agree with Hoven that Kings will likely put Maata on waivers rather than Clague.

The wild cards are Kupari, Frk and the new Russian kid.
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In your model, did you have Brown being cut?:huh:
 
johnjm22 said:
Mayor says those are the possible 3rd jerseys for this season.

The purple (forum blue) and gold aren't just popular with Kings fans, they considered some of the best jerseys league-wide. Why can't we have them as our thirds? We don't need anymore grey/black/white.
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I'm not a fan of them. I see those colors I think Lakers, not Kings. I also see a losing era, with a few Kings legends surrounding it. Also, did you ever think the players don't like them? I'm sure they've been asked. Pretty much to a man, the current and former players all have said they love the silver and black. Stoll and Williams have both said they wished the team had gotten to wear the Gretzky era jersey's at least once, back when they were winning cups.
 
Johnny Utah said:
So now that we are getting close…

Iafallo - Kopitar - Arvidsson
Kempe - Danault - Brown
Athanasiou - Vilardi - Moore
Andersson - JAD - Lemieux
Wagner, Lizotte, Grundstrom

Anderson - Doughty
Edler - Roy
Bjornfot - Walker
Maatta, Clague

I agree with Hoven that Kings will likely put Maata on waivers rather than Clague.

The wild cards are Kupari, Frk and the new Russian kid.
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If Maatta clears waivers he'll be paid $3.3M to play in Ontario. Clague would make $70K

I think it's more likely that they keep 8 D and 13 F than it is for Maatta to get waived.

The wild cards are anybody not named

Kopitar
Brown
Iafallo
Kempe
Danault
Arvidsson
Athanasiou
Moore
 
Deaders Ghost said:
I mean, If the kings coaching staff had any balls, it would be for the better of the team.

Its never gonna happen, but it would be for the best.
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No it's not. Guy isn't what he was but he's better than others and worthy of a spot. Besides, I'd rather they play him out on his final year than buy him out and have to spread that contract out over yet another season (and I know the buy out window is over, just saying). Let's get the misery of that reward contract over with.
 
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All The Kings Men said:
If Maatta clears waivers he'll be paid $3.3M to play in Ontario. Clague would make $70K

I think it's more likely that they keep 8 D and 13 F than it is for Maatta to get waived.

The wild cards are anybody not named

Kopitar
Brown
Iafallo
Kempe
Danault
Arvidsson
Athanasiou
Moore
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Just cause he gets waived doesn't mean he's going down. Also, if he was waived and did go to the farm, odds are really good he'd be back up at some point due to injury, etc.
 
kingsfan said:
Just cause he gets waived doesn't mean he's going down. Also, if he was waived and did go to the farm, odds are really good he'd be back up at some point due to injury, etc.
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Waiving someone but not assigning them to the minors doesn't fix any of the problems that cause people to suggest it in the first place.

People are talking about waiving guys like Maatta and Wagner because they don't like them and think it's a simple way to get them off the roster.

Those two guys alone represent almost $4.5M in cap hit AND (more importantly I'd argue) actual salary.

It's not impossible that some of these players with one-way contracts could be waived and then assigned to Ontario even on an extremely short term basis...

I just think it's more likely that other options are explored first.
 
Tkachev - Kopitar - Brown
Iafallo - Danault - Arvidsson
Andersson - Vilardi - Moore
Athanasiou - Lizotte - Kempe
Lemieux, Grundstrom

Anderson - Doughty
Clague - Roy
Edler - Walker
Maatta

Not what I would like to see, but that is how I see them breaking camp (personnel, not necessarily line combos).

Still baffled at the Athanasiou signing.
 
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All The Kings Men said:
Waiving someone but not assigning them to the minors doesn't fix any of the problems that cause people to suggest it in the first place.

People are talking about waiving guys like Maatta and Wagner because they don't like them and think it's a simple way to get them off the roster.

Those two guys alone represent almost $4.5M in cap hit AND (more importantly I'd argue) actual salary.

It's not impossible that some of these players with one-way contracts could be waived and then assigned to Ontario even on an extremely short term basis...

I just think it's more likely that other options are explored first.
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The one thing it solves, if they clear waivers and aren't claimed of course, is that they can then be demoted in the future without fear of losing them. A lack of claims gives a grace period to send a guy up and down without waivers in the future. I'm not clear on how long.

That allows not just a bit of roster flexibility but also cap flexibility. When you send a guy down, something like $1.1 million of his cap hit doesn't count. Anything above and beyond that still does (Wade Redden rule) so sending down Maatta and Wagner in this case would see $2.2ish of that $4.5 mill cap hit off the books for the time they are down.

As far as the real dollars, I'm not overly worried about that. AEG seems fine to spend and having dead salary on the books is not an abnormality to any team in the league and as such is a risk AEG is well aware of and accustomed to. The Phanuef buyout being a good exhibit of this.
 
bland said:
Tkachev - Kopitar - Brown
Iafallo - Danault - Arvidsson
Andersson - Vilardi - Moore
Athanasiou - Lizotte - Kempe
Lemieux, Grundstrom

Anderson - Doughty
Clague - Roy
Edler - Walker
Maatta

Not what I would like to see, but that is how I see them breaking camp (personnel, not necessarily line combos).

Still baffled at the Athanasiou signing.
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Why do people keep putting Vilardi at center? Oh yeah, "showcasing" got it.
Mostly joking.

AA seems like a low risk filler move. Can always waive. Can fill spot if Iafallo or Kempe ended up in a trade. Not to big of a deal.
 
All The Kings Men said:
If Maatta clears waivers he'll be paid $3.3M to play in Ontario. Clague would make $70K

I think it's more likely that they keep 8 D and 13 F than it is for Maatta to get waived.

The wild cards are anybody not named

Kopitar
Brown
Iafallo
Kempe
Danault
Arvidsson
Athanasiou
Moore
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Sunk cost fallacy imo.
 
kingsfan said:
The one thing it solves, if they clear waivers and aren't claimed of course, is that they can then be demoted in the future without fear of losing them. A lack of claims gives a grace period to send a guy up and down without waivers in the future. I'm not clear on how long.

That allows not just a bit of roster flexibility but also cap flexibility. When you send a guy down, something like $1.1 million of his cap hit doesn't count. Anything above and beyond that still does (Wade Redden rule) so sending down Maatta and Wagner in this case would see $2.2ish of that $4.5 mill cap hit off the books for the time they are down.

As far as the real dollars, I'm not overly worried about that. AEG seems fine to spend and having dead salary on the books is not an abnormality to any team in the league and as such is a risk AEG is well aware of and accustomed to. The Phanuef buyout being a good exhibit of this.
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Most teams don't have 1 guy in the AHL on a 1 way contract, let alone 2+. It's not a reasonable way to get rid of people. Most people involved want the AHL to be developmental, not somewhere you stash veterans.

Better to assume 1 way deals are in the NHL than not. Until shown otherwise. No matter how much money a team makes or has. It's the primary reason for 1 and 2 way deals. It's a good indicator of who the team has penciled in.
 
All The Kings Men said:
People are talking about waiving guys like Maatta and Wagner.

I just think it's more likely that other options are explored first.
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Waiving isn't the first option. If they are passed in camp, Blake will try to trade them before considering waiving. These aren't mutually exclusive.
 
FSL KINGS said:
Why do people keep putting Vilardi at center? Oh yeah, "showcasing" got it.
Mostly joking.

AA seems like a low risk filler move. Can always waive. Can fill spot if Iafallo or Kempe ended up in a trade. Not to big of a deal.
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I have been saying for three years now that Vilardi's future is as a RW, and would love to see Byfield and more kids make the squad if they earn it, but there are at least two too many veterans on the roster for that to happen this Fall, and if Tkachev makes it, you are looking at no new kids AND two forwards getting waived.

I would like to keep Grundstrom and Lemieux as their styles of play are needed. I am one of those who respects and appreciates Lizotte as well. Wagner has been squeezed out.

I don't see Blake re-signing Athanasiou and bringing in Tkachev if he planned on giving the kids every opportunity to earn NHL jobs this camp. Too many bodies, too many dollars involved ahead of them. Its going to be vets breaking camp and potentially playing their way off of the roster as kids play their way on it over the course of the season.

Ontario is going to be loaded with kids growing together slowly and surely. Personally, I love that plan.

Next year, Brown and Athanasiou will be replaced from within. Ideally Lizotte becomes the 13th forward and three graduates take their spots.
 
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