Speculation: 2021-21 LA Kings News/Rumors/Roster discussion

[Sol]

Blake when he says he's going to change the Kings

 

[YP44]

Even with ignoring the behavior--ADA couldn't stick with a Stanley Cup Contender in TBL, a blackhole, no direction team in Arizona, or a rebuilding team in similar situation in NYR. What in the world makes you think the Kings can 'fix' whatever is going on there?

anyone else not remember he played for Arizona?

 

[Sol]

Anyone else notice how like in threads like this it's usually two extreme point of views on what should the Kings do and there's only like 2-3 posters who are in the middle.

Some people who have an unholy amount of faith in the roster and franchise, and those who have none.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Anyone else notice how like in threads like this it's usually two extreme point of views on what should the Kings do and there's only like 2-3 posters who are in the middle.

Some people who have an unholy amount of faith in the roster and franchise, and those who have none.

I'm sorry but I don't think that's an accurate perception no matter how much people try to paint it as true.

Getting pretty f***ing sick of people being called homers for not wanting to trade for someone with all sorts of risks.

 

[Sol]

I'm sorry but I don't think that's an accurate perception no matter how much people try to paint it as true.

Getting pretty f***ing sick of people being called homers for not wanting to trade for someone with all sorts of risks.

Im not conflating

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With people who are extremely hopeful with the Kings. Tho I see how you can perceive it to be similiar.


I think you can love the team and have no hope in them.

 

[Lt Dan]

Blake when he says he's going to change the Kings

Just out of curiosity, if you were GM what would you do. Specifically?
Please detail your offseason plan

 

[Sol]

At the same time I think it's pretty ridiculous that the same people who act like every prospect is a confirmed top 6 or top 2-4 dman are the ones who are always reluctant to make trades or open their minds to the possibility that the Kings have had many prospects not pan out which is why trading for sure fire players is also eliminating risks

 

[Sol]

Just out of curiosity, if you were GM what would you do. Specifically?
Please detail your offseason plan

Trade our 8th for Derek Forbort.

It's stuff like this. How can I take you seriously when a stupid joke about Blake gets you up in arms lol. Hence the blind faithful vs the devout pessimists. None like to understand the other.

I think to be one or the other actually makes sense. But I think trying to discredit one another in what's right vs wrong is just opinion since there's good reason for both sides.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

At the same time I think it's pretty ridiculous that the same people who act like every prospect is a confirmed top 6 or top 2-4 dman are the ones who are always reluctant to make trades or open their minds to the possibility that the Kings have had many prospects not pan out which is why trading for sure fire players is also eliminating risks

On the flip side, who is a sure fire player? Eichel is an injury and mentality risk. Reinhart is far from a sure thing. What else is out there?

Like yeah sure 'everything is risky' but you are absolutely conflating "this is a risky trade" with "I love all our prospects and they're all awesome and they're all going to pan out and I don't want to trade them." I'm pretty sure the vast majority is okay with moving assets for improvement, people just disagree on what is the right move.

Trade our 8th for Derek Forbort.

It's stuff like this. How can I take you seriously when a stupid joke about Blake gets you up in arms lol. Hence the blind faithful vs the devout pessimists. None like to understand the other.

I think to be one or the other actually makes sense. But I think trying to discredit one another in what's right vs wrong is just opinion since there's good reason for both sides.

It was a literal question, and your defensive response is only illustrative of the combative, binary bullcrap. It's not 'both sides' anything. There's plenty of grey area. Stop seeking conflict.

 

[Sol]

On the flip side, who is a sure fire player? Eichel is an injury and mentality risk. Reinhart is far from a sure thing. What else is out there?

Like yeah sure 'everything is risky' but you are absolutely conflating "this is a risky trade" with "I love all our prospects and they're all awesome and they're all going to pan out and I don't want to trade them." I'm pretty sure the vast majority is okay with moving assets for improvement, people just disagree on what is the right move.




It was a literal question, and your defensive response is only illustrative of the combative, binary bullcrap. It's not 'both sides' anything. There's plenty of grey area. Stop seeking conflict.

NHL established players vs players who have very little to none experience in the NHL. Eichels health is an issue I've said before but he'd be the most talented player on the Kings today.

Lol I said that because he's made it clear before to me that he doesn't like me and his reaction to a stupid joke which he took seriously is not something I'm going to waste my time with when I know it's not going to lead to anything productive.

I'm sure we all pick and choose who we waste our breath on and who we don't. And people who don't like you isn't going to be someone I'm going to waste my time to explain to. If you knew about his bitching about my posts you'd understand why I didn't.

And yes what we consider to be less of a risk vs more of a risk is purely subjective. Hence why I said there's an argument for both sides. I don't see why saying there is merit to both lines of thinking is somehow dodging a question or being disingenuous.

 

[DrHansReinhardt]

NHL established players vs players who have very little to none experience in the NHL. Eichels health is an issue I've said before but he'd be the most talented player on the Kings today.

Lol I said that because he's made it clear before to me that he doesn't like me and his reaction to a stupid joke which he took seriously is not something I'm going to waste my time with when I know it's not going to lead to anything productive.

I'm sure we all pick and choose who we waste our breath on and who we don't. And people who don't like you isn't going to be someone I'm going to waste my time to explain to. If you knew about his bitching about my posts you'd understand why I didn't.

And yes what we consider to be less of a risk vs more of a risk is purely subjective. Hence why I said there's an argument for both sides. I don't see why saying there is merit to both lines of thinking is somehow dodging a question or being disingenuous.

Just out of curiosity, if you were GM what would you do. Specifically?
Please detail your offseason plan

 

[Schrute farms]

I just don't see any way a team is going to trade for Eichel right now until they see him on the ice, healthy and performing for a bit. So we won't see a trade for him this offseason imo.

Unless Buffalo trades him for a big discount -- which they can't do (can't sell that to your fans). If they did go this route, it would give me even more cause for concern being the team trading for him.

I think he gets traded. But it'll be after he's back in the preseason or during/after this coming season (guessing sometime during the season...if he's healthy/back).

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

NHL established players vs players who have very little to none experience in the NHL. Eichels health is an issue I've said before but he'd be the most talented player on the Kings today.

Lol I said that because he's made it clear before to me that he doesn't like me and his reaction to a stupid joke which he took seriously is not something I'm going to waste my time with when I know it's not going to lead to anything productive.

I'm sure we all pick and choose who we waste our breath on and who we don't. And people who don't like you isn't going to be someone I'm going to waste my time to explain to. If you knew about his bitching about my posts you'd understand why I didn't.

And yes what we consider to be less of a risk vs more of a risk is purely subjective. Hence why I said there's an argument for both sides. I don't see why saying there is merit to both lines of thinking is somehow dodging a question or being disingenuous.

"Established" vs. "unknown with potential" is better than 'sure thing,' I can play with that. No one doubts Eichel's talent--they just wonder aloud about his health, his follow through (i.e. the sabres have gone nowhere too), and if we've seen his best already. There's more to weigh out than our prospects is all.

There is absolutely merit to the different philosophies. I don't think there's a 'right' answer. That's why I'm being cautious to make sure it doesn't get painted as binary, as the discussion has been great so far.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I just don't see any way a team is going to trade for Eichel right now until they see him on the ice, healthy and performing for a bit. So we won't see a trade for him this offseason imo.

Unless Buffalo trades him for a big discount -- which they can't do (can't see that to your fans). If they did go this route, it would give me even more cause for concern being the team trading for him.

I think he gets traded. But it'll be after he's back in the preseason or during/after this coming season (guessing sometime during the season...if he's healthy/back).

Yeah it's like I said earlier, the best thing for HIS value and for Buffalo is to sort this thing out, get healthy, and perform.

 

[King'sPawn]

Eichel, DeAngelo… what’s next? Is there someone we can trade for that will be a GREAT fit for us if only he can make parole?

Mitchell Miller's rights were released by the Coyotes after they drafted him last year. He taunted and harassed a mentally impaired kid, and made him eat a lollipop after putting it in a urinal. At the age of 14.

 

[Bandit]

Mitchell Miller's rights were released by the Coyotes after they drafted him last year. He taunted and harassed a mentally impaired kid, and made him eat a lollipop after putting it in a urinal. At the age of 14.

That’s a good one. I was more wondering what Mike Danton was up to these days when he’s not plotting to have people murdered. Probably a great fit, so much grit!

The Kings would never do it though. Not because it’s a good thing to not have human garbage in your organization, but because they’re too “woke”.

 

[King'sPawn]

That’s a good one. I was more wondering what Mike Danton was up to these days when he’s not plotting to have people murdered. Probably a great fit, so much grit!

The Kings would never do it though. Not because it’s a good thing to not have human garbage in your organization, but because they’re too “woke”.

I think Avery's still being a public menace, too.

 

[Docgonzo]

I like Eichel, and do hope the Kings trade for him (if the price is reasonable). But can we stop calling Eichel a superstar/generational player. He’s Columbus era Rick Nash except he whines and complains and has a neck injury. Or even Tavares, on the side of very good but not great.

When the Kings trade for Eichel and he’s sidelined for a bit because of injury, do we bring back the “do the Kings even know what a MRI is” jokes from Vilardi’s back panic?

 

[SFKingshomer]

Taylor Hall is the man we need to secure the tank and get #1 overall.

 

[Sol]

Just out of curiosity, if you were GM what would you do. Specifically?
Please detail your offseason plan

I would bridge the gap between the old core and new core via trade or signing. And if I was GM I'd have to think hard whether or not I would make serious moves to be potentially competitive while Kopitar, and Doughty are still really good players. Or do I just waste their remaining good years and stay the course. However I think there's a big gap in age and experience between our best players and our new players that needs to be addressed.

Good enough?

 

[Sol]

"Established" vs. "unknown with potential" is better than 'sure thing,' I can play with that. No one doubts Eichel's talent--they just wonder aloud about his health, his follow through (i.e. the sabres have gone nowhere too), and if we've seen his best already. There's more to weigh out than our prospects is all.

There is absolutely merit to the different philosophies. I don't think there's a 'right' answer. That's why I'm being cautious to make sure it doesn't get painted as binary, as the discussion has been great so far.

I say sure fire because NHL ability transfers between NHL teams hence why it's much more likely you're gonna be getting more of the same from one team and then not knowing what you're gonna get from a rookie just starting his NHL career. Either they begin making headway to where their ceiling is, or they don't.


Best analogy, would you get a used car with a carfax report or would you get a used car that the dude on Facebook marketplace says "bro I swear on my life the car is good". Which one would you put more stock in?

I personally don't think the Kings have had any massive success in terms of talent from their prospects for a while which is why I am having a hard time thinking they live up to it. I personally feel like we've been hyped about a lot of prospects before and they sucked. Like Amadio. Top 6 player? Or at least third line center. Just one example.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

How are they not close? Look up Spezza’s point totals up until 2006. You could say he was even better than Eichel. Spezza was also a 2nd overall selection who many thought to be “generational” when he made the OHL as an underaged player.

Jason Spezza was part of one of the most talented lines of all time. He played exclusively with Danny Heatley and Daniel Alfredson.
Eichel has played on Buffalo where they match offensive players with defensive minded players. That is literally a quote from Adams. He says he builds the lineup based off of matchups and opposing teams. He litteraly let's the opposition build his teams daily lines. LoL. No wonder Buffalo is a joke.
I was an absolute fan bot of Spezza but watching him and watching Eichel is night and day. Spezza was a creator. Eichel is everything offensively. A straight up force. You cannot compare stats in this case.

 

[tomd]

I would bridge the gap between the old core and new core via trade or signing. And if I was GM I'd have to think hard whether or not I would make serious moves to be potentially competitive while Kopitar, and Doughty are still really good players. Or do I just waste there remaining good years and stay the course. However I think there's a big gap in age and experience between our best players and our new players that needs to be addressed.

Good enough?

I think there is immense pressure on Blake to get one of Reinhart or Eichel out of Buffalo. If he gets neither and they both go to Pacific division rivals he is going to look completely ineffective as a GM especially given that he has the assets to get either of them.

 

[Sol]

I think there is immense pressure on Blake to get one of Reinhart or Eichel out of Buffalo. If he gets neither and they both go to Pacific division rivals he is going to look completely ineffective as a GM especially given that he has the assets to get either of them.

I think just even the new core is going to need some players who are experienced and older than them to guide them more. Doughty and Kopitar are too much older than the young core. There needs to be a middle ground in age and experience.

 

[tomd]

I think just even the new core is going to need some players who are experienced and older than them to guide them more. Doughty and Kopitar are too much older than the young core. There needs to be a middle ground in age and experience.

Very true. Guys over 30 with families have nothing in common with 20 year olds. There needs to be that glue in the middle.