Speculation: 2021-21 LA Kings News/Rumors/Roster discussion

[FSL KINGS]

I think there is immense pressure on Blake to get one of Reinhart or Eichel out of Buffalo. If he gets neither and they both go to Pacific division rivals he is going to look completely ineffective as a GM especially given that he has the assets to get either of them.

Going all in against J. Benning should be entertaining.

 

[Lt Dan]

I would bridge the gap between the old core and new core via trade or signing. And if I was GM I'd have to think hard whether or not I would make serious moves to be potentially competitive while Kopitar, and Doughty are still really good players. Or do I just waste their remaining good years and stay the course. However I think there's a big gap in age and experience between our best players and our new players that needs to be addressed.

Good enough?

no

google what detailed means

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Regarding an Eichel trade, people forget that Buffalo probably wants NHL ready, or close to NHL ready players rather than prospects. They already have the top pick this year and are picking early in the second and third etc.

Probably looking at Turcotte, AK, Roy, 2022 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 2nd.

 

[YP44]

I think Avery's still being a public menace, too.

Am i the only guy who still wears my Kings Sean Avery jersey?

 

[YP44]

listened to about half the Willie Mitchell interview, I found it interesting that after he signed in florida Dean was trying to trade for him. I imagine that was after Voynov shit went down.

 

[SFKingshomer]

I think there is immense pressure on Blake to get one of Reinhart or Eichel out of Buffalo. If he gets neither and they both go to Pacific division rivals he is going to look completely ineffective as a GM especially given that he has the assets to get either of them.

Pressure from who? We don't know if his hands are tied to a shorter term and less overall salary.

 

[deaderhead28]

Regarding an Eichel trade, people forget that Buffalo probably wants NHL ready, or close to NHL ready players rather than prospects. They already have the top pick this year and are picking early in the second and third etc.

Probably looking at Turcotte, AK, Roy, 2022 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 2nd.

With Eichel injury history I wouldn't give that much up.I would just move on from Eichel than giving up that much..

 

[Schrute farms]

no

google what detailed means

exactly lol -- he literally said nothing.
Easy to endlessly complain and say "do something". Any drunk no-nothing fan can do that. It's another thing to back up those comments with actual ideas.

 

[BigKing]

Regarding an Eichel trade, people forget that Buffalo probably wants NHL ready, or close to NHL ready players rather than prospects. They already have the top pick this year and are picking early in the second and third etc.

Probably looking at Turcotte, AK, Roy, 2022 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 2nd.

Eichel is a great talent, but if you look at AK as a 1st rounder in a redraft, that is three first round picks, a #4 defenseman and two 2nds.

Pretty rich considering he wants out and needs a neckyotomy.

 

[tomd]

Pressure from who? We don't know if his hands are tied to a shorter term and less overall salary.

Well I'm not going to live in denial and assume that Blake didn't mean what he said about improving the roster. Reinhart and Eichel (assuming he's healthy) are two of the highest profile players that are going to be available for trade this summer. They both would be perfect fits for the roster. Competition for them will be intense...especially in the Pacific division. I would fully expect the Kings to be in the mix in a big way for getting one of them...despite what Hoven the Hack might say.

 

[MBH]

I think there is immense pressure on Blake to get one of Reinhart or Eichel out of Buffalo. If he gets neither and they both go to Pacific division rivals he is going to look completely ineffective as a GM especially given that he has the assets to get either of them.

I don't think so.
If I were the Kings, maybe I'd call on Risto.
Shore up the defense.
Your centers are coming SOOON.
Maybe sign Krecji or Stastny to a 1-2 year deal to tide you over.

Fix that defense.

 

[tomd]

I don't think so.
If I were the Kings, maybe I'd call on Risto.
Shore up the defense.
Your centers are coming SOOON.
Maybe sign Krecji or Stastny to a 1-2 year deal to tide you over.

Fix that defense.

As far as the forwards are concerned...you can't make Krecji or Stastny come here as free agents...they have to want to. And why would they unless they were given a big overpay. Trades are the way to go.

There is supposedly a team that has inquired about Risto and Reinhart in a package...the Kings perhaps?

 

[johnjm22]

Well I'm not going to live in denial and assume that Blake didn't mean what he said about improving the roster. Reinhart and Eichel (assuming he's healthy) are two of the highest profile players that are going to be available for trade this summer. They both would be perfect fits for the roster. Competition for them will be intense...especially in the Pacific division. I would fully expect the Kings to be in the mix in a big way for getting one of them...despite what Hoven the Hack might say.

But's who's putting immense pressure on Blake to get one of Eichel/Reinhart?

For all we know ownership could be telling Blake they don't want Eichel because of the money they'd have to spend.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Well I'm not going to live in denial and assume that Blake didn't mean what he said about improving the roster. Reinhart and Eichel (assuming he's healthy) are two of the highest profile players that are going to be available for trade this summer. They both would be perfect fits for the roster. Competition for them will be intense...especially in the Pacific division. I would fully expect the Kings to be in the mix in a big way for getting one of them...despite what Hoven the Hack might say.

Yea not worth listening to what the media has to say. It’s all a smokescreen. I fully expect the Kings to make an offer or two on both. I still think SJ or MTL will land Eichel.

 

[Kudelski37]

Well I'm not going to live in denial and assume that Blake didn't mean what he said about improving the roster. Reinhart and Eichel (assuming he's healthy) are two of the highest profile players that are going to be available for trade this summer. They both would be perfect fits for the roster. Competition for them will be intense...especially in the Pacific division. I would fully expect the Kings to be in the mix in a big way for getting one of them...despite what Hoven the Hack might say.

The Kings need 5v5 scoring. Vrana is better than Eichel, Laine, and Reinhart there. He would probably come cheaper than any of those 3 too since he is an RFA. He is fast, young, and has experience in the playoffs.

 

[tomd]

The Kings need 5v5 scoring. Vrana is better than Eichel, Laine, and Reinhart there. He would probably come cheaper than any of those 3 too since he is an RFA. He is fast, young, and has experience in the playoffs.

Everything you say may be true but what makes you think Vrana is even available? Why would he be after the finish he had with Detroit? OTOH, we KNOW that Eichel and Reinhart are available.

 

[kinghock]

Well I'm not going to live in denial and assume that Blake didn't mean what he said about improving the roster. Reinhart and Eichel (assuming he's healthy) are two of the highest profile players that are going to be available for trade this summer. They both would be perfect fits for the roster. Competition for them will be intense...especially in the Pacific division. I would fully expect the Kings to be in the mix in a big way for getting one of them...despite what Hoven the Hack might say.

Blake said about improving the roster.
He did not say he will do it by flashy trades for Reinhart and Eichel.
I have my doubts they both would be perfect fits for this roster.
Flashy trades usually do not work for team ability to win playoff games.
Hopefully he will find better ways to build playoff winning team instead of flashy trades for very expensive players.
I believe that trades for Reinhart and Eichel will move Kings rebuild to ground zero.
Collection of yang talents, which was assembled by Blake and company for the last 3 years will be decimated.
Team will be left with a lot of issues to address and no capacity to do it.
I disagree with your opinion.

 

[kings11]

All this and yet no one see the Tampa Bay Lightning as the perfect trading partner?
$ millions over the cap, UFAs that need to be resigned...
maybe we can work out a big trade that helps both teams and I’m not just talking salary..
Kings
Killorn+Palat+ Serg

TBL
8OA+Kempe+Walker+Kupari+?

 

[unicornpig]

Turcotte 2021 1st 2022 2nd is most I'd do maybe add in kempe

 

[SFKingshomer]

All this and yet no one see the Tampa Bay Lightning as the perfect trading partner?
$ millions over the cap, UFAs that need to be resigned...
maybe we can work out a big trade that helps both teams and I’m not just talking salary..
Kings
Killorn+Palat+ Serg

TBL
8OA+Kempe+Walker+Kupari+?

TB is not trading Sergachev

 

[Kudelski37]

Everything you say may be true but what makes you think Vrana is even available? Why would he be after the finish he had with Detroit? OTOH, we KNOW that Eichel and Reinhart are available.

Pretty sure Yzerman said all of the players can be had for a price when discussing the Mantha trade. Plus, he is a RFA.

 

[tomd]

Pretty sure Yzerman said all of the players can be had for a price when discussing the Mantha trade. Plus, he is a RFA.

Sounds like the Kings can get him for a nice overpayment. Good plan.

 

[Herby]

The Kings need 5v5 scoring. Vrana is better than Eichel, Laine, and Reinhart there. He would probably come cheaper than any of those 3 too since he is an RFA. He is fast, young, and has experience in the playoffs.

How is Jakub Vrana a better 5 on 5 scorer than Jack Eichel?

Jack Eichel ES points

19 YO - 35 in 81 games
20 YO - 33 in 61 games
21 YO - 42 in 67 games
22 YO - 56 in 77 games
23 YO - 50 in 68 games
24 YO - 9 in 21 games

Jakub Vrana

20 YO - 2 in 21 games
21 YO - 24 in 73 games
22 YO - 43 in 82 games
23 YO - 40 in 69 games
24 YO - 31 in 50 games

Vrana played in Washington on teams that finished 3rd, 9th, 5th, 4th, and 5th in GF. Eichel's Buffalo teams have finished 26th, 25th, 31st, 23rd, 21st and 28th in GF. I just don't know how on Earth anyone could come to the conclusion that Vrana is a better 5 on 5 scorer than Eichel.

Getting pretty f***ing sick of people being called homers for not wanting to trade for someone with all sorts of risks.

Yeah I know the feeling. It's like being called

"a hater"
"having an irrational hatred of a player"
"player living in head rent free"
"no idea what you're talking about"
"just a stat watcher who's never seen him play" (my fav since I was prob only person on this board who actually saw him play in person at the time)

All of this because I questioned the ceiling of a player and said I'd prefer players taken after him, the second part a view that is basically consensus now if you place any value on expert consensus (you don't have to if you don't want to, just saying)

The optimists can say some annoying things to the pessimists sometimes too. It's a two-way street.

Just out of curiosity, if you were GM what would you do. Specifically?
Please detail your offseason plan

I know this is directed at someone else.

- I look at the history of Stanley Cup winning teams and I immediately determine that with Kopitar and Doughty's age making it unlikely they ever will still be elite players when QB develops I immediately realize I need to add more high end players to my championship window which I hope to open in 2023-2024 with possibly 2022-2023 if things fall into place. I have a surplus of youth, but really only one potential game changer, I have to fix that this summer by either acquiring a game changer or putting myself in position to draft one the next two drafts.

- I absolutely do not bring in any late 20's bridge players trying to chase a wildcard, worst possible thing the franchise could do would be to pick 12th or get trounced by Vegas in a quick series like in 2018. That season set this franchise back greatly and I do everything I can to not repeat it.

- I know that a 24 year old franchise 1C is available on the trade market, a unique situation that happens perhaps maybe once every dozen years or so in the NHL. I call up Buffalo and say, I am not trading QB but would be open to a combination of any of my other surplus assets. If Buffalo is open to doing a deal without QB I do everything I can to make it happen. The most important and necessary pieces to a successful franchise are world class centers. If I get this deal and I trust the projections and the historical returns on #2OA picks I have loaded center depth for the rest of this decade, probably the best in the NHL. I make QB's life insanely easier by breaking in behind Eichel and AK and then I make AK's life easier playing a lesser but still important role as he enters the twilight of his career once QB emerges as the Kings 2C. I also buy some insurance on the possibility of QB being say a RyJo type player, if that happens I can still win SC's with Eichel and RyJo caliber down the middle, I am winning no cups and the rebuild is likely torpedoed if QB is RyJo staying the course since I don't have a 1C.

- If the Rangers offer Kaako or the Ducks offer Drysdale and I miss out on Eichel and assuming no other young star player is available then it's time to have a talk with Drew. I explain to Drew that I made a run for Eichel but wasn't comfortable giving up such a huge young piece like QB and that I am not going to make black hole moves to try and win a WC spot to appease him. I ask Doughty if he would be open to a trade to a contender for a couple more kicks at the can, something he isn't going to get in LA for the next 3 years atleast. The return on Doughty and losing his salary is secondary to putting the Kings in a great position to be picking at the top of the 2022 and 2023 drafts which will provide me with two chances to draft the type of players necessary to win Stanley Cups in the NHL. With my team being so young and on ELC's I am easily able to retain money on Doughty making it easier for a team like Toronto, Pittsburgh or Colorado to both acquire him and to increase the assets I get.

- If Drew was bluffing on his previous threats and doesn't want to move I immediately tell Kopitar that I am going to attempt to move on from him as he no longer really fits into the plans for the next time the team is ready and he only has a limited NTC. Like with Doughty before, the return and cap space are less importantl than being really bad the next two seasons. Although I do think that if the Kings retained (and they could) that they can get a pretty nice haul that includes a decent young player. In an ideal world Drew wants to move on and Anze ends up being the Kings Yzerman or Sakic and never plays a game elsewhere but if Drew won't go the tough decision has to be made, Anze is a historical Mount Rushmore player for this team but at the end of the day he is still just an asset like anyone else.

-If I trade Drew or Anze and go very young, I keep Brown, giving him an extension beyond next season as a veteran presence in the room with the experience of winning championships for this squad. I want Brown around when Wright, Bedard, Fantilli type comes on board. In addition to that I sign 1-2 non-impact veteran players who are good in the room and willing to be on awful teams, much like Dean did with Scott Thornton.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Kaprizov may sign in the KHL. Man if that happens, it’s terrible for the Wild and the NHL. Drafting a Russian is just way too risky.

 

[HookKing]

Eichel is a great talent, but if you look at AK as a 1st rounder in a redraft, that is three first round picks, a #4 defenseman and two 2nds.

Pretty rich considering he wants out and needs a neckyotomy.

Pretty rich? Its idiotic.