Speculation: 2021-21 LA Kings News/Rumors/Roster discussion

[SmytheKing]

And the Kings will miss the playoffs again if they don’t make a key acquisition for the near and long term. Not gonna cut it, IMO.

They aren't making the playoffs next year with this roster as is, no. I didn't say they would. I said I'd rather get two solid defensemen than trade away assets about to make the jump for one guy to solve a problem that doesn't exist. If there is ONE position the Kings are solid at, it's Center.

The Kings have $20 million in cap space next year. I just don't want to spend half of it on a guy who hasn't taken a team anywhere while also giving up the future. YMMV.

 

[lumbergh]

I think the price for Eichel will be much less than people think. In fact, the only top asset I would send from the Kings is Vilardi (risk for risk). Of course other stuff would have to go with him but I would keep our speedy guys and mostly give them picks and/or secondary prospects.

I think Blake might offer something like Vilardi or Turcotte, Kupari, 8OA, and Quick or Brown. If Anaheim is in it they’ll be able to offer a higher pick, so ultimately I don’t think the Kings are where Eichel ends up.

 

[SmytheKing]

Pay extra for Nemeth? Hes worse than Maatta

You don't like him? Fine. Pick a different name from this list.

The individual isn't the point. It's the position and reasons.

 

[Herby]

Not if you don't shore up the defense it won't. Do you think Center will be a problem for the Kings in the next five years? They've got Byfield and Turcotte planned for 1 and 2. Probably JAD as the 3rd line one if not Moore. This all after Kopitar calls it quits. Getting Eichel is starting with Byfield and the #8. Then add in one or two of AK, Bjornfot, Kupari, Vilardi, Fagemo.

You've sacrificed a lot of youth to get a guy who has led his team to 33, 30, and 22 (projected) wins since he's been the captain. Does anyone really look at the Sabres roster and the Kings roster and think there's a substantial difference in talent? If the Kings lost Kopitar or Doughty for the season (like the Sabres did with Eichel), does anyone think they'd do any better than a bottom five team?

I just don't see the point of adding him at this time. It solves a problem that doesn't exist and creates a new one.

No one wants to get Eichel if Byfield is going the other way, not even me, and I might be the most pro trade Eichel guy on the board.

The Kings need to build a foundation that consists of atleast two legit star players and then build around that, that is the best and most proven recipe for success in the NHL. If they trade Byfield you are removing your only prospect with that type of star potential. Unless you think Kaliyev and Turcotte are going to be foundational stars, I like Arty, others like Turcotte more but I don't think any of us expect them to be that type of player.

If the Kings can build a trade around sending some kind of combination of Turcotte, Vilardi, the #8 pick or even Kaliyev and Faber (would prefer not to deal the last 2 but they aren't deal breakers). My concern is Buffalo might know they are going to get a couple of elite caliber centers in the next 2 drafts and may want a potential 30G 1st line winger like Kaliyev rather than 2nd line centers like Vilardi or Turcotte. If the demand is Byfield than Blake should just say, "Thanks but no thanks"

I think Blake might offer something like Vilardi or Turcotte, Kupari, 8OA, and Quick or Brown. If Anaheim is in it they’ll be able to offer a higher pick, so ultimately I don’t think the Kings are where Eichel ends up.

I don't know if a 5 pick difference from this draft is going to be the difference maker. Much like the Kings won't include Byfield, Anaheim is not going to include Zegras, he just has to much potential to be a star in the NHL (like Byfield). I don't know if they include Drysdale, if they do that could be a problem for the Kings since he obviously has more value than Vilardi or Turcotte. But if Drysdale is off the table the Kings have way more prospect capital to trade than Anaheim, even with the worse pick.

 

[lumbergh]

You don't like him? Fine. Pick a different name from this list.

The individual isn't the point. It's the position and reasons.

I’ll take Cale Makar on that list.

 

[SmytheKing]

I’ll take Cale Makar on that list.

No one signs RFA's anymore and COL would match anything that is less than $8 million I bet.

 

[Jason Squirties]

This stuff will kill you. I am having a kale salad with beets, broccoli, cauliflower and lentils. No dressing, because that stuff will kill you too. I am going to wash it all down with a nice refreshing bottle of kombucha.

Not gonna lie, I've been doing a vegan meal delivery service for about 10 meals a week for a month as a response to trying to get over long-term covid bullshit and I feel like a million bucks

Not doing it to be 'vegan' in particular, just got sick of getting so busy with life and work that I just ate garbage on the go all day

We're going to need a double thread response ban here @Troll Stompe

Don't worry. I have gotten myself too tonight, that will be my meal to watch the Knights-Habs game. Maxwell Street Polish is like crack, and fast food discussion triggered it, thanks guys.

BTW speaking of expensive fast food, driving through Barstow a couple of weeks ago on my cross country drive we stopped at Carls cuz the In-N-Out line was so long. Holy crap, Carls combo meals are as almost as expensive as sitting down and having a burger at Chilis or something like that.

No cap, low key Carls Jr used to be the #1 2nd tier fast food when their original $6 burger's came out. They've done a complete nosedive since they first tried to revamp there, almost nothing there is good.

Pro-tip : Burger King's Spicy Chicken Sando is next in line behind Popeyes atm. Also, spare me with that "Let's wait in a 3hr line" for Howlin Rays nonsense.

Side-note : Can we plan a Kings HF meetup at Providence or Urasawa some time soon?

PSS Edit : Let's revisit Eichel next year.

 

[The Lukeman]

Del Taco: Back in the day, my bro would order the large macho combo burrito combo with chili cheese fries! Wanda always hooked it up.

Looking ahead a bit. Kopi's contract is up same time as A. Mathews. Anyone else want to take a run at him UFA?

We are in a really good spot in terms of when Kopitar contract ends and when a majority of our top tier prospects will need to be resigned coming off their ELC. Byfield, and possibly 1 of Kaliyev, Turcotte, or whoever else makes the team next season.

 

[Herby]

No one signs RFA's anymore and COL would match anything that is less than $8 million I bet.

I don't think there is a realistic offer that Colorado wouldn't match for Makar.

If Colorado pulled a Dale Tallon and he somehow ended up a FA he would demand north of $10m in a bidding war.

 

[HookKing]

...and they'll say no.

I'd rather the Kings take that $10 million and spend it on a couple of 2nd/3rd pairing guys to support the younger fellas and teach them. Go pay a little extra and get Patrick Nemeth and Ian Cole or something like that. Help the goalies, the breakout, and the younger guys on the back end.

Fine. Then we can see what degenerate gambler is willing to pay a fortune in $$$/assets for a guy who may be done.

 

[Herby]

Fine. Then we can see what degenerate gambler is willing to pay a fortune in $$$/assets for a guy who may be done.

If Blake wants Eichel he will make a fair offer that fits with the value and market. Hopefully that doesn’t include Byfield, but Blake isn’t going to waste Buffalo’s time with Gabe Vilardi as the centerpiece to a deal. There are 30 other teams in the NHL, it’s not a 2 person negotiation.

 

[Matt13]

Went fishing 2 weeks ago. I have been eating a lot of sashimi and poke bowls lately.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Fine. Then we can see what degenerate gambler is willing to pay a fortune in $$$/assets for a guy who may be done.

If Blake wants Eichel he will make a fair offer that fits with the value and market. Hopefully that doesn’t include Byfield, but Blake isn’t going to waste Buffalo’s time with Gabe Vilardi as the centerpiece to a deal. There are 30 other teams in the NHL, it’s not a 2 person negotiation.

Yeah, even if only a handful of teams can be in on JE, Buffalo would be stupid not to get full value for him even with the current situation (yeah, we know they're dumb).

If no one is willing to play ball, and I'm Buffalo, I sit down with him and his agent and say look, we're not trading your possibly toxic malcontent ass right now, so if you want out of here, you'd better say all the right things and play your ass off until we can accommodate you at a value that's fair for my team. Otherwise, feel free to just sit here and rot, because we aren't going to trade you for less than full value, so shut your f***ing mouth about bad things and wanting out and anything that could possibly make you look like anything but a Buffalo lifer and a model citizen so we can ALL be happy.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

I’ll take Cale Makar on that list.

What would we have to give up if we offered 8.5 million aav?

 

[tomd]

Yeah, even if only a handful of teams can be in on JE, Buffalo would be stupid not to get full value for him even with the current situation (yeah, we know they're dumb).

If no one is willing to play ball, and I'm Buffalo, I sit down with him and his agent and say look, we're not trading your possibly toxic malcontent ass right now, so if you want out of here, you'd better say all the right things and play your ass off until we can accommodate you at a value that's fair for my team. Otherwise, feel free to just sit here and rot, because we aren't going to trade you for less than full value, so shut your f***ing mouth about bad things and wanting out and anything that could possibly make you look like anything but a Buffalo lifer and a model citizen so we can ALL be happy.

Smart post but I'll make one additional observation and one cautionary note.

Additional observation is that if Buffalo makes themselves even worse by trading Risto and Reinhart this summer then it will only make the situation with Eichel worse. Not sure he'll sit quietly under those circumstances.

Cautionary note is that this is a situation that the Kings want to avoid with Doughty at all costs. If Blake fails this summer and the Kings flounder through the 21-22 season then I think Doughty will have had enough. There is no good that will come out of the turmoil that that will create setting aside the fact that Doughty can pick his team and the Kings will never get anything close to full value for him. That scenario may make the tanksters happy but it will not be good for the franchise.

 

[lumbergh]

What would we have to give up if we offered 8.5 million aav?

No one signs RFA's anymore and COL would match anything that is less than $8 million I bet.

Yeah I wasn't being serious with that. It was more of a comment about the "pick a name off this list".

The only name that really interests me on that list is Dougie Hamilton.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Yeah I wasn't being serious with that. It was more of a comment about the "pick a name off this list".

The only name that really interests me on that list is Dougie Hamilton.

I just looked up the RFA rules. If we offered more than 6.5ish million aav, then we’d have to trade 4 1st rounders. Pass.

 

[HookKing]

If Blake wants Eichel he will make a fair offer that fits with the value and market. Hopefully that doesn’t include Byfield, but Blake isn’t going to waste Buffalo’s time with Gabe Vilardi as the centerpiece to a deal. There are 30 other teams in the NHL, it’s not a 2 person negotiation.

LOL. 30 other teams with 10M in cap space to gamble on a guy pending on career ending surgery. Sure.

 

[Herby]

LOL. 30 other teams with 10M in cap space to gamble on a guy pending on career ending surgery. Sure.

I didn't say 30 other teams will be offering, but when coming up with a trade proposal you can't assume its a 2 team negotiation which your offer centered around Gabe Vilardi does. This isn't the Charlotte Hornets trying to trade Kobe Bryant to the only team he was going to play for.

 

[HookKing]

I didn't say 30 other teams will be offering, but when coming up with a trade proposal you can't assume its a 2 team negotiation which your offer centered around Gabe Vilardi does. This isn't the Charlotte Hornets trying to trade Kobe Bryant to the only team he was going to play for.

Not assuming anything. I'm fine with Blake not offering anything. If he does it's the bare minimum.

 

[Herby]

Not assuming anything. I'm fine with Blake not offering anything. If he does it's the bare minimum.

Do you think it would be a complete disaster if the Kings traded Turcotte, the #8, Madden and Clague?

 

[lumbergh]

Where do I sign?

 

[HookKing]

Do you think it would be a complete disaster if the Kings traded Turcotte, the #8, Madden and Clague?

"Complete disaster" is a loaded question. I would not include Turcotte in any offer.

 

[Herby]

Where do I sign?

I think it's a fair and reasonable offer for both teams. There is some risk for sure, but I think people forget the level that Eichel played at in 18-19 and 19-20. Players that good and that young just don't become available very often.

I worry that a team like the Rangers may include Kaako or the Ducks may include Drysdale and that is going to be tough for the Kings to top without including QB. It only takes 1 team to offer a premier prospect.

 

[Stimpythecat]

I just looked up the RFA rules. If we offered more than 6.5ish million aav, then we’d have to trade 4 1st rounders. Pass.

$4,363,096 - $6,544,640 ->> 1st, 3rd
$6,544,641 - $8,726,188 --> 1st, 2nd, 3rd
$8,726,189 - $10,907,735 --> two 1st, 2nd, 3rd
$10,907,736+ --> four 1st