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Reclamation Project said:
Kings don’t need another defenseman, the Kings need a 40-50 goal scoring winger. This offense has been POUNDED ASS for 15 years, just get a scorer already. Good lord we need goals! Overpay for it I don’t care, just get some elite scoring this team is unwatchable.
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carefulthat's what lead to Kovalchuk
 
I'd kick the tires on Jones as long as it didn't cost too much and we could resign him. Then see if Roy could play on his off side with Doty or Jones. Or have Roy be on 3rd pairing with Walker on his off side.
 
SFKingshomer said:
I think Jones was the 28th highest scoring defenseman last season playing on a team that finished 29th in goals scored. Sure, Werenski got hurt and would have bumped him further down the list and there could be others in that spot but Jones isn't Rob Scuderi out there. I mean, if you assume every team has at least a #1 defenseman then Jones sits in that Top 30 for scoring from a defenseman while not being a sieve.

I agree that the "dynamic" thing is kind of funny. What does that mean, exactly? 20 goal potential from the blueline? Not a lot of that hanging around. 50 points? Kind of the same deal.

If you can play 20+ minutes a night in all situations, pot 40+ points and be good defensively than you can play for me. I don't know if that is "dynamic" enough but it's pretty damn good.
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BigKing said:
I think Jones was the 28th highest scoring defenseman last season playing on a team that finished 29th in goals scored. Sure, Werenski got hurt and would have bumped him further down the list and there could be others in that spot but Jones isn't Rob Scuderi out there. I mean, if you assume every team has at least a #1 defenseman then Jones sits in that Top 30 for scoring from a defenseman while not being a sieve.

I agree that the "dynamic" thing is kind of funny. What does that mean, exactly? 20 goal potential from the blueline? Not a lot of that hanging around. 50 points? Kind of the same deal.

If you can play 20+ minutes a night in all situations, pot 40+ points and be good defensively than you can play for me. I don't know if that is "dynamic" enough but it's pretty damn good.
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I don't mean to sound insulting but this isn't difficult. Let's make it simple and say 'we need someone that can QB a PP at a high level.' Right now there's Drew then...we're digging down to Walker to make something work. Even if you run 4 forwards on the power play, having Sean Walker as your second option is screaming for attention.

It doesn't even HAVE to be a first pairing all situations guy necessarily, which is why I was always so surprised the org seemed keen on distancing from Clague. We're short on offensive d-men, period.
 
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Reclamation Project said:
Kings don’t need another defenseman, the Kings need a 40-50 goal scoring winger. This offense has been POUNDED ASS for 15 years, just get a scorer already. Good lord we need goals! Overpay for it I don’t care, just get some elite scoring this team is unwatchable.
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We have quite a few high profile forwards we have drafted recently. Just haven't used em yet. Lots of help is coming up front so a good dman would really help to move the puck up the ice and put it in their hands.
 
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DryIslandBartender said:
I’d disagree some, the Kings need a winger that can score so BAD. With Eichel, the Kings need to trade futures and then have a problem with Kopi, Byfield still on the roster and nobody really on the wings, and the prospect pool is depleted.

Trading for Marner makes more sense (even more so if they win the lottery tonight) in that the Kings get an upgrade in scoring. Makes more sense for the future as well, given that he’s 24 and on a long term contract and eases the pressure off the Thomases, Kaliyev’s to score. Kings won’t replace Doughty but if Blake can build a backend of 6 guys that are competent and share the load, it won’t be a terrible loss, imo.
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Dubas just came out and said he’s not trading Marner, so that’s that.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Kings don’t need another defenseman, the Kings need a 40-50 goal scoring winger. This offense has been POUNDED ASS for 15 years, just get a scorer already. Good lord we need goals! Overpay for it I don’t care, just get some elite scoring this team is unwatchable.
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Only 40-50 goals? That’s a select group that isn’t available. There’s 1 capable of that but he’s a huge risk.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Time for the Kings to flex that #1 prospect pool. Plenty of players out there they can target. I don’t care if they overpay.
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Reinhart is the only 1 who might be available because teams don’t trade those guys often. They had a top 10 goal scorer and he got stale with the rest of the team. No sense overpaying for anyone until the culture is fixed.
 
SFKingshomer said:
Only 40-50 goals? That’s a select group that isn’t available. There’s 1 capable of that but he’s a huge risk.
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When is there not risk though?

Eichel people are worried about injury
Marner people are worried about contract
Caufield people were worried about height
Gaborik people were worried about injury

I think this board is to risk averse. Do you double down on your 10 when the dealer is showing an 8?
 
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bland said:
You are all over the place here.

First off, yes, as I said there are all kinds of ways to score goals. You seem desperate to add skill at any cost without ever once acknowledging the real problem here: the Kings have lacked a spine since 2014. They can't close out leads when they get them. They can't win battles to increase zone possession. They can't force turnovers to turn into quick strike attacks. They can't get shots thru from the point and can't battle their way into the slot to create screens and capitalize on rebounds.

You aren't going to improve any of that with.a Marner or a Gaudreau or even an Eichel.

This team badly needs an injection of competitive will. The skill IS on the way and it is not difficult to acquire if the current assets aren't sufficient.

You want this team to get better fast? You add ballast and grit. Players who can hold leads and address the weaknesses. Then as the youth breaks in its on a team that can compete. Right now the Kings are composed to be a front runner, only winning if they outscore their opponent. Just like Edmonton and Toronto. You have to able to see that. Marner only adds to that problem.
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I have not been all over the place. My views have been the same for many years, the Kings have neglected adding high skilled players for years, it's been a problem for the last 7 years and doesn't seem to be very close to being solved. No team in the league should finish bottom 5 in scoring for three consecutive seasons, that is embarrassing and unacceptable.

Who is the big skill and when does it arrive? I get ripped on and told I am expecting to much with expecting 45-50 points from Byfield. When does the rest of the skill arrive, who is the goal scoring sniper in the system? Kaliyev? I like him, but there is risk that he busts, who else beside him is on the brink of being a skill player in the NHL? Turcotte, many of his peers are already in the NHL, was expecting him to challenge for a top 6 role by now also to much to ask?

Do you believe that this skill that is on it's way will arrive and be impact players while Kopitar and Doughty are still star players? I'm genuinely curious what year you (or people who agree with you) think the Kings will return to contention in and what a potential roster would look like. I can't figure it out, I always come to the point that the prospects are to young and coming a long to slowly to have an impact with 11 and 8 and then the group as a whole is lacking players who will ever be close to the type of game changers 11 and 8 were. Competitive will and players with spine are easier to find than star players, we are supposed to pass up on potentially adding a star player who happens to be 24 because we "lack spine". What is going to be more difficult, adding a bunch of grit and "spine" and 4 years from now needing another star player in his prime (like say a 28 year old Eichel) or trading for that player now and then in 3-4 years when you have the best center duo in the league trying to add grit and character.

As far as the protecting leads, its more of a Jimmy and Joe's than X's and O's or lack of heart. The Kings had a superstar in goal for many of those years, and that is what Quick was, in 2012 the Kings won 11 games scoring 2 or fewer goals. I'm not going to give all the credit to him, the Kings had very good defenseman, a good defensive system and forwards who bought into the defensive system. But Quick was the biggest reason they were almost unbeatable once they got a lead.
 
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To add on to a thought from earlier since the Avs are on--

I'd be MUCH more interested in a guy like Girard than Seth Jones when we are talking about 'fit'
 
Rusty Batch said:
Tough to put points up as a dman with CBJs forward group.
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Herby said:
When is there not risk though?

Eichel people are worried about injury
Marner people are worried about contract
Caufield people were worried about height
Gaborik people were worried about injury

I think this board is to risk averse. Do you double down on your 10 when the dealer is showing an 8?
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I split my 10s and double down on both.
 
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LT Dan said:
I want Saad on the Kings. He is exactly what we need
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If he’s looking for something like $4.5 million per for 3-years, I’d consider it. Guy has Stanley Cup pedigree and knows what it takes to get there.

He could pot 20-25 goals riding shotgun on Kopitar’s wing.
 
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