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Herby said:
The Kings need a pure scorer. This just seems like another gritty guy with 50 point ceiling. Plus he's 26 and he needs a new contract. The Kings need a perennial 30+ goal guy.
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very small sample but he did have 5 goals in 9 games last year, and was on a 24 goal pace before Covid hit in 19-20. I think he can be a 30 goal guy, especially considering that, like LA, its not like Bertuzzi is playing with a ton of skill in Detroit.
 
SettlementRichie10 said:
The Habs are the first team in the cap era to win a playoff round with a double digit AAV player on the roster (Price).

Wow. These huge contracts really are poison.
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yup, and given the seeding this year with the North division having Edmonton, Toronto and Montreal all with double digit aavs it was gonna happen no matter what.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Seth Jones is not worth assets and a 5 million dollar upgrade on Matt Roy.

If you MUST get an RHD, pursue someone more offensive like Hamilton.
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I brought Jones up as an option a couple of weeks ago prior to him saying he will not sign with CBJ. I know he is a RHD but he is also a guy that can eat 25 minutes a game like Doughty. You could make it like ANA in 2007 when one of Pronger/Neids was pretty much on the ice at all times. That also allows for Bjornfot and Anderson to play with studs as well which is great for their development.

I really like Matt Roy but Seth Jones is on another level. Proven playoff performer who will turn 27 in October. He is less than one year older than Roy. Doughty was winning his Norris in his age 27 season.

I understand there is the contract concern but his cap hit is only $2.25MM more than Roy for next season. Roy will need a new deal after two seasons of whatever Jones next contract is and will be UFA so you assume it is a nice raise if all goes well. Assuming he isn't dealt, Faber is lurking as another RHD to replace Roy.

I know LHD is a weakness but your Top 4 immediately looks better when you've got one of Doughty or Jones out there all game. I just wouldn't want to get caught up in worrying about what-hand-shot a guy is if a stud is available. Now, the asset cost might be too high but my main point is that Blake needs to be inquiring on any and all of these types of situations.
 
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SettlementRichie10 said:
The Habs are the first team in the cap era to win a playoff round with a double digit AAV player on the roster (Price).

Wow. These huge contracts really are poison.
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You would think GMs woud have figured this out by now, but no let's also make sure the player gets an 8-year term and an NTC as well.
 
YP44 said:
no way Toronto does it plus would not fit in the cap.
Losing Kopitar would sure sting.
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It was not a serious trade proposal, but I wish it could be done.

Kopitar for Matthews? C'mon man, the Kings do that deal in a heartbeat based on the difference in ages alone.
 
Herby said:
Lots of ways to produce goals? Apparently not for the Kings.

18th
14th
24th
16th
30th
30th
27th

Those are the GF since the last cup.

This organization hasn't been able to find skilled players for the past 15 years. The two best forwards this year have been with the organization since 2003 and 2005.

It's not like they can just sign a few veteran generic 2nd liners and solve the problem.

I do remember when Yzerman was written off, but damn even the Wings fans waited until he was nearing 30 to call for his head after 1995. Crazy how a player at 24 can be completely written off. He's 2 years younger than Matt Roy who you said you thought was an untouchable player on the Kings.
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You are all over the place here.

First off, yes, as I said there are all kinds of ways to score goals. You seem desperate to add skill at any cost without ever once acknowledging the real problem here: the Kings have lacked a spine since 2014. They can't close out leads when they get them. They can't win battles to increase zone possession. They can't force turnovers to turn into quick strike attacks. They can't get shots thru from the point and can't battle their way into the slot to create screens and capitalize on rebounds.

You aren't going to improve any of that with.a Marner or a Gaudreau or even an Eichel.

This team badly needs an injection of competitive will. The skill IS on the way and it is not difficult to acquire if the current assets aren't sufficient.

You want this team to get better fast? You add ballast and grit. Players who can hold leads and address the weaknesses. Then as the youth breaks in its on a team that can compete. Right now the Kings are composed to be a front runner, only winning if they outscore their opponent. Just like Edmonton and Toronto. You have to able to see that. Marner only adds to that problem.
 
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KINGS17 said:
It was not a serious trade proposal, but I wish it could be done.

Kopitar for Matthews? C'mon man, the Kings do that deal in a heartbeat based on the difference in ages alone.
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oh for sure the kings would, and I knew it was not serious but just responded out of being board haha
 
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bland said:
You are all over the place here.

First off, yes, as I said there are all kinds of ways to score goals. You seem desperate to add skill at any cost without ever once acknowledging the real problem here: the Kings have lacked a spine since 2014. They can't close out leads when they get them. They can't win battles to increase zone possession. They can't force turnovers to turn into quick strike attacks. They can't get shots thru from the point and can't battle their way into the slot to create screens and capitalize on rebounds.

You aren't going to improve any of that with.a Marner or a Gaudreau or even an Eichel.

This team badly needs an injection of competitive will. The skill IS on the way and it is not difficult to acquire if the current assets aren't sufficient.

You want this team to get better fast? You add ballast and grit. Players who can hold leads and address the weaknesses. Then as the youth breaks in its on a team that can compete. Right now the Kings are composed to be a front runner, only winning if they outscore their opponent. Just like Edmonton and Toronto. You have to able to see that. Marner only adds to that problem.
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that sounds like Bertuzzi....more and more I think about him the more I want him in LA. Him and Vilardi can even go to chiro on their backs together.
 
Herby said:
Lots of ways to produce goals? Apparently not for the Kings.

18th
14th
24th
16th
30th
30th
27th

Those are the GF since the last cup.

This organization hasn't been able to find skilled players for the past 15 years. The two best forwards this year have been with the organization since 2003 and 2005.

It's not like they can just sign a few veteran generic 2nd liners and solve the problem.

I do remember when Yzerman was written off, but damn even the Wings fans waited until he was nearing 30 to call for his head after 1995. Crazy how a player at 24 can be completely written off. He's 2 years younger than Matt Roy who you said you thought was an untouchable player on the Kings.
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Yzerman had 31 goals in 75 playoff games by 1995. No cap either. Even if you wanted Yzerman gone, you could say, well if they could just add this and that, things would be better. Toronto can't simply add to the team anymore. They're stuck. He's the one big ticket guy they could move. Had the cap been around in the mid 90's, Detroit might be looking at a different history.
 
The Kings had an insane win/loss record during the three year run when leading after two periods.

Basically, if the opposing team was behind after two periods the game was over.
 
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KINGS17 said:
The Kings had an insane win/loss record during the three year run when leading after two periods.

Basically, if the opposing team was behind after two periods the game was over.
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some of the Kings crappy goals per game is the reverse of this IMO. The kings struggle to score first so it allows the opposing team to control the game and shut down the kings. Captain obvious says, "LA needs to score first to give itself a better chance at winning."
 
KINGS17 said:
You would think GMs woud have figured this out by now, but no let's also make sure the player gets an 8-year term and an NTC as well.
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Makes you think it's not all that easy to not do it in reality. The Covid cap might help GMs and owners not hand out the dumbest contracts possible, but it's bound to happen again at some point.

Skill is too rare. Owners hold the cards in CBA negotiations, but players have the leverage in individual contract negotiations. Management is just too desperate for talent, and there are only so many players available at any given time.
 
bland said:
You are all over the place here.

First off, yes, as I said there are all kinds of ways to score goals. You seem desperate to add skill at any cost without ever once acknowledging the real problem here: the Kings have lacked a spine since 2014. They can't close out leads when they get them. They can't win battles to increase zone possession. They can't force turnovers to turn into quick strike attacks. They can't get shots thru from the point and can't battle their way into the slot to create screens and capitalize on rebounds.

You aren't going to improve any of that with.a Marner or a Gaudreau or even an Eichel.

This team badly needs an injection of competitive will. The skill IS on the way and it is not difficult to acquire if the current assets aren't sufficient.

You want this team to get better fast? You add ballast and grit. Players who can hold leads and address the weaknesses. Then as the youth breaks in its on a team that can compete. Right now the Kings are composed to be a front runner, only winning if they outscore their opponent. Just like Edmonton and Toronto. You have to able to see that. Marner only adds to that problem.
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Agreed...the Kings would more benefit from UFA Hyman or UFA Blake Coleman, albeit, both 20 goal ceiling types - but have tenacity and grit. Jaden Schwartz all an UFA. Schwartz has topped 50 pts 3 times. Not many Kings forwards have done that! None, under 30 yrs old, I think.
One of those 3 would be a great to have on line 2. BUT, also get a legit top 3 forward; the 30 goal types.
 
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I'll never forget this day.


Had a Sunday league game at the same time as this game was happening, so our team just kept up with updates, and we found out the game was tied late in the third when our game ended. So we rushed to a sports bar, and within five minutes, it was all over.

I may have been in a state of shock that the puck went in, similar to the reaction we saw from Eric Belanger when he looked confused after scoring the game-winning goal against the Red Wings in Game 4. The puck also seemed to sail into the net in slow motion, akin to Mike Krushelnyski's OT goal against the Flames in 1990.
 
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BigKing said:
I brought Jones up as an option a couple of weeks ago prior to him saying he will not sign with CBJ. I know he is a RHD but he is also a guy that can eat 25 minutes a game like Doughty. You could make it like ANA in 2007 when one of Pronger/Neids was pretty much on the ice at all times. That also allows for Bjornfot and Anderson to play with studs as well which is great for their development.

I really like Matt Roy but Seth Jones is on another level. Proven playoff performer who will turn 27 in October. He is less than one year older than Roy. Doughty was winning his Norris in his age 27 season.

I understand there is the contract concern but his cap hit is only $2.25MM more than Roy for next season. Roy will need a new deal after two seasons of whatever Jones next contract is and will be UFA so you assume it is a nice raise if all goes well. Assuming he isn't dealt, Faber is lurking as another RHD to replace Roy.

I know LHD is a weakness but your Top 4 immediately looks better when you've got one of Doughty or Jones out there all game. I just wouldn't want to get caught up in worrying about what-hand-shot a guy is if a stud is available. Now, the asset cost might be too high but my main point is that Blake needs to be inquiring on any and all of these types of situations.
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I'm on board with Jones and his ability, I'm not on board with his cost AND risk.

It will cost assets, probably massive ones since there will be a bidding war on name alone.
It will cost big money to re-sign him if we can at all.
We have to bank on him rebounding.
We have to bank on him re-signing when he's suggested he wants to test the market as UFA.

I'm not at all saying Roy is better--but his ability-to-cost ratio is much higher than the name brand (jones) will be, especially when we have other areas of need. It's also whY i suggest Hamilton is a better option, being more offensive and a free agent rather than an expensive trade.
 
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SettlementRichie10 said:
The Habs are the first team in the cap era to win a playoff round with a double digit AAV player on the roster (Price).

Wow. These huge contracts really are poison.
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To be fair, Pittsburgh had Malkin at $9.5MM and were able to get Crosby under what looks like one of the last cap-circumventing deals. Dude was making $12MM and $11MM when they won their Cups.

Ovechkin at a $9.5MM cap hit but $10MM actual salary when they won the Cup.

Kucherov at $9.5MM but $12MM actual dollars last year. Stamkos at $8.5MM. Both of these are Florida tax sweetheart deals.

Mark Stone at $9.5MM on another no state tax discount.

I'm not saying that these big time contracts are poison but, yeah, you have to give them to the right players. The ones listed above are the right players or they take less because of the tax environment.

You do have to take in to account that nobody has had a double-digit AAV until the 2016 season with Kane/Toews, unless I am mistaken. So that is only five full postseasons + the current first round. There are only 13 double digit AAVs in the league so that also means that there are only a few teams eligible to even be a team that wins a playoff round with a double digit AAV player. Chicago was the only team in 2016 that qualified to do it. The 13 contracts are only spread across nine teams (Toronto has three of them). There are only eight teams each season that can win a playoff round.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
I'm on board with Jones and his ability, I'm not on board with his cost AND risk.

It will cost assets, probably massive ones since there will be a bidding war on name alone.
It will cost big money to re-sign him if we can at all.
We have to bank on him rebounding.
We have to bank on him re-signing when he's suggested he wants to test the market as UFA.

I'm not at all saying Roy is better--but his ability-to-cost ratio is much higher than the name brand (jones) will be, especially when we have other areas of need. It's also whY i suggest Hamilton is a better option, being more offensive and a free agent rather than an expensive trade.
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I get it, but Blake still needs to be doing his due diligence and, of course, him re-signing here would have to be guaranteed.
 
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Reaper45 said:
At the moment lots of teams are going to be looking to shake things up and have little to no cap space to do it. Blake should wait and see who comes to him with deals...and then bend them over a table.
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You know, posters keep saying this, but who exactly are these teams? I look at CapFriendly, and I can count on one hand the teams can be bent over a table due to the cap. Tampa Bay, Washington, maybe Dallas, Pittsburgh? I guess I just don't see the market being that hot.
 
In regards to Seth Jones. I can't comment on watching him play myself, but I've seen a number of Columbus fans on the main boards saying he isn't elite anymore and his play has been declining. That his status as a top pairing guy is more based off reputation than his actual play.
 
BigKing said:
To be fair, Pittsburgh had Malkin at $9.5MM and were able to get Crosby under what looks like one of the last cap-circumventing deals. Dude was making $12MM and $11MM when they won their Cups.

Ovechkin at a $9.5MM cap hit but $10MM actual salary when they won the Cup.

Kucherov at $9.5MM but $12MM actual dollars last year. Stamkos at $8.5MM. Both of these are Florida tax sweetheart deals.

Mark Stone at $9.5MM on another no state tax discount.

I'm not saying that these big time contracts are poison but, yeah, you have to give them to the right players. The ones listed above are the right players or they take less because of the tax environment.

You do have to take in to account that nobody has had a double-digit AAV until the 2016 season with Kane/Toews, unless I am mistaken. So that is only five full postseasons + the current first round. There are only 13 double digit AAVs in the league so that also means that there are only a few teams eligible to even be a team that wins a playoff round with a double digit AAV player. Chicago was the only team in 2016 that qualified to do it. The 13 contracts are only spread across nine teams (Toronto has three of them). There are only eight teams each season that can win a playoff round.
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Seems like the key here is to pay somewhere around 9.5~9.9m AAV.
Seguin, Ovechkin, Vasilevskiy, Malkin, Benn, Kucherov, Stone are the 7 guys in this range.
All on recent Cup teams or Cup finalist teams (Stone not on the the VGK Cup finalist team, but I'm trying to make a point)
 
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