2021-2022 S Blues Multi-Purpose Thread Part 3

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Then let him walk for free and get nothing for losing your second star player when he signs here (or elsewhere). Excellent asset management.

The writing is on the wall here.
Makes sense that they'd want to pull back and re-evaluate. If they lose both, then do they try an retool or do they go full rebuild. Do they try hard and extend him?
 
Do we want to be team that keeps all of our favorites or team that contends for Cup? That is ultimately what this comes down to. I love Perron, but this isn’t beer league. Teams like Tampa and Colorado play fir keeps. You want to beat them you need to make hard choices.
This is a false dichotomy. We are farther away from competing for the cup without Perron than with him. There are lots of moves we could make that keep Perron and make us better.
 
It’s age 34 and 35. He just turned 34 less than 7 weeks ago.
Fair enough. It decreases the chance of regression but it doesn’t change my stance given his age, our future cap situation, etc.

I’m not going to keep harping on this because I’ve burned up my keyboard this morning. :D I definitely understand why this is a polarizing move, and I’ll be ready to admit it was the wrong move if Perron continues to play like he has and the Blues don’t have a bigger move on the horizon.
 
This is a false dichotomy. We are farther away from competing for the cup without Perron than with him. There are lots of moves we could make that keep Perron and make us better.
Agreed. This upcoming year was our best shot at a Cup. We could have kept Perron and brought our whole team back minus Husso and a couple of 4th liners. If we had to trade someone to squeeze under the cap, Barbashev was the logical choice. Now we’re worse than the end of last year. We lost our top PP threat and best forward from the playoffs. We could have made it work.
 
I think it’s a poorer argument to believe that it’s not possible a player regresses, perhaps significantly, in his age 35 & 36 seasons, as if we haven’t already seen that from a couple recent Blues fan favorites.
Are you still not aware you are literally making a deceitful argument? He is not under contract for his 36 year old season. You have a vague "old age" argument that isn't even important enough for you to double check Perron's age. So lazy
 
This is a false dichotomy. We are farther away from competing for the cup without Perron than with him. There are lots of moves we could make that keep Perron and make us better.
We don't know that though. We have no idea what moves were available to Army that could've kept Perron here and still allowed us to upgrade the defense. We can talk about the moves that we've discussed here, but we have no idea what teams were offering for Tarasenko, Krug, Scandella, or Barbashev. We have no idea if someone like Provorov/Sanheim/Chychrun were made available at a reasonable cost.
 
We don't know that though. We have no idea what moves were available to Army that could've kept Perron here and still allowed us to upgrade the defense. We can talk about the moves that we've discussed here, but we have no idea what teams were offering for Tarasenko, Krug, Scandella, or Barbashev. We have no idea if someone like Provorov/Sanheim/Chychrun were made available at a reasonable cost.
We 100% know that the situation Armstrong has to get himself out of is one he completely created.
 
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Are you still not aware you are literally making a deceitful argument? He is not under contract for his 36 year old season. You have a vague "old age" argument that isn't even important enough for you to double check Perron's age. So lazy
First, you don’t need to post like that. If this is how you communicate we don’t need to chat.

Second, I admitted elsewhere I was off by a year but it doesn’t change the fact that I expect regression from an age 34 and 35 season and would rather have the cap space for something bigger.
 
This is silly. We loo to be at worst 2nd best team in West at this point. Why piss away season?
It more or less seems that is the plan for this year anyway - at the very best they're treading water - so I would rather they just take their medicine this year and regroup next year with multiple picks, maybe a prospect or two, in addition to the cap that will be freed up. If there's some larger move coming for this year I would be happy to re-evaluate, but the justification of "well we had to let Perron walk because next year, but also we are not going to in anyway maximize the value of other UFAs currently" doesn't make any sense either. This team is miles behind the Avs, whether the Blues are the second best team in the west or the 5th, the focus should be on actually closing that gap.
 
We don't know that though. We have no idea what moves were available to Army that could've kept Perron here and still allowed us to upgrade the defense. We can talk about the moves that we've discussed here, but we have no idea what teams were offering for Tarasenko, Krug, Scandella, or Barbashev. We have no idea if someone like Provorov/Sanheim/Chychrun were made available at a reasonable cost.
Those moves are independent of Perron. If something can be done to upgrade the LD, then you do that instead of keeping Leddy. If there's nothing, Perron at 2x4.75 is still a better choice than 4x4 Leddy.
 
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If you want a team that just keeps their fan faves to try to continue to grasp at that golden ring look at what happened with Chicago. They kept resigning their guys and now they are so far in the dumpster they are trading their young guys like DeBrincat and Dach.
No offense but a 2-year $4.75M deal is in no way comparable to monster dollars and term deals to Towes, Keith, Seabrooke etc.
 
Those moves are independent of Perron. If something can be done to upgrade the LD, then you do that instead of keeping Leddy. If there's nothing, Perron at 2x4.75 is still a better choice than 4x4 Leddy.
I think Leddy improves the defense more than Perron would improve the offense. I absolutely wanted to keep Perron too as he was one of the few forwards that consistently showed up in the playoffs.
 
First, you don’t need to post like that. If this is how you communicate we don’t need to chat.

Second, I admitted elsewhere I was off by a year but it doesn’t change the fact that I expect regression from an age 34 and 35 season and would rather have the cap space for something bigger.
You replied to me after I made the point about Perron's age, then continued to make it, but I am supposed to monitor all your posts so as to recognize the instant you realize what you are doing? Yes, given that you apparently agree Perron taking 4.75M was him betraying the Blues, we definitely don't need to chat
 
First, you don’t need to post like that. If this is how you communicate we don’t need to chat.

Second, I admitted elsewhere I was off by a year but it doesn’t change the fact that I expect regression from an age 34 and 35 season and would rather have the cap space for something bigger.
He is always like that. He’s not worth engaging.
 
I think Leddy improves the defense more than Perron would improve the offense. I absolutely wanted to keep Perron too as he was one of the few forwards that consistently showed up in the playoffs.
and it is not Leddy vs Perron in a vacuum, it is Leddy + who replaces Perron in the top nine vs Perron and who is the other LHD in the top 4
 
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We 100% know that the situation Armstrong has to get himself out of is one he completely created.
The only move we could've made, would've been trading for Toews instead of Colorado. Would be interesting to know if we were in on that or if we made an offer to the Islanders. I don't really blame him for Scandella, even though I don't think any of us liked the term when that deal was made. Toews instead of Krug is the easy revisionist what if scenario.

Trading for Nate Schmidt when Vancouver got him would probably be another that would've been better than Krug.
 
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and it is not Leddy vs Perron in a vacuum, it is Leddy + who replaces Perron in the top nine vs Perron and who is the other LHD in the top 4
And again, my point is that we have no idea what other moves could have been made or could be made. The person I was responding to made it just a Perron vs Leddy. We can talk all we want about how having a combo of Perron and Chychrun would be better than Leddy and Neighbours, but you'd be arguing against a ghost.
 
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Those moves are independent of Perron. If something can be done to upgrade the LD, then you do that instead of keeping Leddy. If there's nothing, Perron at 2x4.75 is still a better choice than 4x4 Leddy.
Agreed. Our top 4 is Krug/Faulk, Leddy/Parayko. Perron is not keeping us from upgrading our D. Our offense just needed to bring everyone back. It was 3rd in the NHL after a slow start. Now it’s not as good. There is nothing out there that will improve it. And you lose team chemistry. You never know how new guys will fit in. We had a known commodity for relatively cheap.

Yes. They obviously want to create spot for neighbours.
Then trade Barbashev. He’s gone after this season anyway. He’s also easier to replace than Perron.
 
I never posted anything of the sort. I think we're done here.
For the record, in the Armstrong thread, We Went Blues said Perron betrayed STL by taking 2 x 4.75 and I said essentially "what" in reply.

TO WHICH you immediately jumped in to push back on my comment, stating that Perron was offered an extension 12 months ago before he powerfully led the Blues against the Cup winners as if this helps the "Perron was greedy" argument. You jumped in to help on that, and I noticed. If we're done because I noticed what you did, that's fine. Spend the time while we're not talking to look up Perron's age.
 
Agreed. Our top 4 is Krug/Faulk, Leddy/Parayko. Perron is not keeping us from upgrading our D. Our offense just needed to bring everyone back. It was 3rd in the NHL after a slow start. Now it’s not as good. There is nothing out there that will improve it. And you lose team chemistry. You never know how new guys will fit in. We had a known commodity for relatively cheap.


Then trade Barbashev. He’s gone after this season anyway. He’s also easier to replace than Perron.
I’m not opposed to trading Barbie, but he is physical player who had 60 points last year. Amazing how little respect he gets in this board. Given their ages, he likely will out produce Perron going forward too.
 
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