You could have re-signed Perron and traded Barbashev and been even better off.
2021-2022 S Blues Multi-Purpose Thread Part 3
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Thallis
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Not sure if this works when you can get more cap flexibility by trading the other player
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The way I see it there’s no cap flexibility to be had for 2023-24 by trading Tarasenko. His cap space essentially goes to Robert Thomas. It’s a very real problem that they’ve chosen to address by not committing $4M+ to a 35 yo vet.
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Right, we need Thomas and Kyrou extended to big deals, and ultimately that means that Tarasenko and Perron would have to be gone for 23/24.
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Thallis
No half measures
In that case, your savings are for a single year. There's already plenty of flexibilty for next offseason to the point where 4.75 for Perron barely touches the radar. There's obviously guys we need to sign, but it's not like you're going to get better value basically anywhere than Perron's deal.
I think he was saying you could get cap flexibility in 2023-2024 by trading Perron next offseason if we had signed him. I don’t think that would have been a difficult contract to move.
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This is where I'm at on the whole Perron situation. It seems easy to draw a straight line from the Leddy deal here to the Perron deal in Detroit, but to me it will forever be that they chose to keep Tarasenko for one more year* then watch him walk than to keep Perron around for the rest of his career.
* - Obviously the offseason isn't over and things can change quickly. This is my perspective now, but if there are more moves later (for example, a Tarasenko trade) that improve the team and bring this more in focus, I reserve the right to be less upset.
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There’s not if you want to add a significant piece that improves the team next season and in the years to follow, far more than an aging David Perron could.
This is silly. We look to be at worst 2nd best team in West at this point. Why piss away season?
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PocketNines
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"an aging David Perron" as if he wasn't one of the most impactful players against the best team two months ago
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I wholeheartedly agree with this. It certainly feels to this point (other moves pending) that we're taking a step back this season to make a bigger impact next season when we have money coming off the books. It just seems like taking a bigger step back this season (moving Tarasenko and Barbashev for future assets if you don't expect them here next season) will allow you to take an even bigger step forward next season.
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Perron is one of my all-time favorite players. I hoped he'd stay on the team, but I do think he's probably going to drop off his production at this point.
I'm betting the internal projections for Perron are not flattering, for the next 3 years. He's inexplicably outperformed most projections by a lot the last couple years. Those are just models, yes, but the team has to have some basis for what they expect a player to do. If I assume that's true, I can see why Armstrong had pressure to avoid a regrettable contract.
His top priority this off-season had to be the Thomas extension, and that was a reasonable deal. Leddy was a less exciting way to strengthen the left side, at a lower price than some of what we speculated.
I think I will have to watch some Detroit games this season. They have a lot of players I enjoy rooting for! I'll reserve judgement on Armstrong until I see how this entire offseason plays out. I do think Neighbors is going to be expected to step into a big role next year. I hope he's ready!
I'm betting the internal projections for Perron are not flattering, for the next 3 years. He's inexplicably outperformed most projections by a lot the last couple years. Those are just models, yes, but the team has to have some basis for what they expect a player to do. If I assume that's true, I can see why Armstrong had pressure to avoid a regrettable contract.
His top priority this off-season had to be the Thomas extension, and that was a reasonable deal. Leddy was a less exciting way to strengthen the left side, at a lower price than some of what we speculated.
I think I will have to watch some Detroit games this season. They have a lot of players I enjoy rooting for! I'll reserve judgement on Armstrong until I see how this entire offseason plays out. I do think Neighbors is going to be expected to step into a big role next year. I hope he's ready!
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Then let him walk for free and get nothing for losing your second star player when he signs here (or elsewhere). Excellent asset management.
The writing is on the wall here.
Thallis
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There's not many people in the league that will be available to improve the team like that. If you're talking about improving the team with a significant piece, you either don't sign Leddy or trade some of your actual problematic contracts like Scandella, Krug, or Schenn. There are better ways to deal with this than ignoring one of your team's most beloved players.
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Do we want to be team that keeps all of our favorites or team that contends for Cup? That is ultimately what this comes down to. I love Perron, but this isn’t beer league. Teams like Tampa and Colorado play for keeps. You want to beat them you need to make hard choices.
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PocketNines
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It helps your poor argument to literally add a year, go for it
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Not many, but I think we all know who they have their eye on. And if that doesn’t come to fruition there are plenty of guys who can replicate what Perron could give you and fit comfortably under the cap in 2023-24.
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I disagree to an extent. If we're the 2nd best team in the West right now, it is a distant 2nd. If dropping a few pegs this season helps us to be either a really close 2nd best or challenging the title of Best in the West next season, I think it makes sense. I fear our reluctance to cut deeper might be rooted in the team's unwillingness to risk losing some of the gate and have to work to get it back.
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I think it’s a poorer argument to believe that it’s not possible a player regresses, perhaps significantly, in his age 35 & 36 seasons, as if we haven’t already seen that from a couple recent Blues fan favorites.
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we are still better on paper entering this season than we were entering last season
Vlad was a ?, he wound up having his best point season
Kyrou and Thomas took large steps forward and now have much more clarity on what they are
Krug was just OK in a weird first year, last year he was EXACTLY the player we paid for
Parayko was a huge question b/c his back, he wound up having a very good season
Husso was widely derided on this very site of having any chance being a useful backup, Greiss has a much better resume going into this season than Husso did last year
we essentially traded Perron for Leddy and Neighbors
with all the other forwards we have and the huge LHD top 4 hole we had last year, that is an absolute win
the sucky part is Perron is awesome as a person, but DA sometimes has to make decisions that are sucky from a human side, it is his job
Vlad was a ?, he wound up having his best point season
Kyrou and Thomas took large steps forward and now have much more clarity on what they are
Krug was just OK in a weird first year, last year he was EXACTLY the player we paid for
Parayko was a huge question b/c his back, he wound up having a very good season
Husso was widely derided on this very site of having any chance being a useful backup, Greiss has a much better resume going into this season than Husso did last year
we essentially traded Perron for Leddy and Neighbors
with all the other forwards we have and the huge LHD top 4 hole we had last year, that is an absolute win
the sucky part is Perron is awesome as a person, but DA sometimes has to make decisions that are sucky from a human side, it is his job
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It seems the team offered Perron an extension earlier in the year for 2 years $4 million a year. So it is what it is. All of this bickering is the reason I don’t post on here. Sound like a bunch of children
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Bingo.
I get why Army preferred a 1 year deal for Perron but I don’t really care if adding Perron on a 2-year deal made the cap crunch for 2023-24 harder. When the heart and soul of your team, the straw that stirs the drink can be had for that little, it’s a no brainer to me and you figure out the figure cap crunch in sometime in the next 6-14 months.
If Perron was demanding 4+ years, I get it, it two?! Inexcusable to let Perron go unless Perron simply had no interest in returning…but it seems he was SUPER interested in returning. It’s just baffling and beyond frustrating.
If you want a team that just keeps their fan faves to try to continue to grasp at that golden ring look at what happened with Chicago. They kept resigning their guys and now they are so far in the dumpster they are trading their young guys like DeBrincat and Dach.
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