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I really liked Cam York, I think he will be good down the line

Jones playing well is is great, he's a long way off but he's made himself more known in the prospect world with this tournament thus far. He'll continue to move up the rankings.

I can see both sides to Miller going pro or staying at Wisconsin. My first blush take is to leave him at Wisconsin one more year
 
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Kovalev27 said:
I personally think Miller needs more games than college hockey is going to give him. He’s got pro size and strength I don’t see the point in playing another 25 games next year. While also aging out of a world junior tournament.

he’s raw but he needs to play
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Is he done developing in college? I'm not sure
 
Mikos87 said:
Do think he would be better off turning pro or staying in college for another year?
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I haven’t been able to watch him outside of a few games at Wisconsin this year (I've been pretty busy the past few months and I hope to fix this once everything slows down a little bit for me), so I can’t really say one way or the other with much recent evidence to back it up. But I will say that I saw you say yesterday you were hoping he’d go the junior route after he was drafted, and I was right there with you, and before this season started I was saying he should turn pro to get more games and to learn how to play against competition he can’t use his tools so effectively against as a shortcut. Not the most interesting final answer but I won’t be upset with either choice because I think he can still benefit from staying and benefit from turning pro, but if that’s the case it might be better to just let him stay for a junior year
 
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aufheben said:
He still looks pretty damn good defensively for someone only playing the position for 4 years.
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I think it's kind of situational for him, but I think all the situations he's not good in are just from not getting the same amount of time to play the position as most of his peers. Most of the problems I've seen from him are when things kind of settle down or stay in one zone for an extended period of time without him being directly involved, whether it's another team setting up a cycle against him or his team setting up a cycle, and he really thrives when he's getting touches on the puck and getting to move around and be active, which also isn't without the occasional gaffe (the pass yesterday).
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Is he done developing in college? I'm not sure
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Honestly not sure how much more he’s going to develop there. He needs games more than anything. He needs to play against bigger faster guys too. It won’t be life or death if he stays. There will be plenty to learn from granato but considering his tool set and what he needs to work on I think you need to cram games onto his resume. He’ll play 25 games in a few months as a pro.

I also really like what I’m seeing from the Hartford coaches so maybe I’m biased there but Wisconsin isn’t exactly playing to their potential this year either.
 
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By the way what a nightmare game for Askarov who is just a phenomenal goalie.

he really needs to settle down in net being his biggest issue. Ferraro pointed it out way too much movement.

as far as some other guys stutzle really impressed me as did of course lafreniere Mysak too
 
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GeorgeKaplan said:
He’s a typical project that’s really good at the things you can’t teach, but he’s pretty far behind in the things you can teach (at the moment anyway)
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Yeah, but at the same time, everyone think Samuelson is awful too. And Broberg. And Bahl. And just about anyone not playing in a sheltered role.

I often want to compare forwards to defenders. They have more or less identical offensive and defensive responsibilities, it’s not 1970 anymore, all guys plays both ways. If I don’t have an equal amount of positive and negative things to say about the forwards as the defenders I am really really watching the wrong things.

And I just think we really are nit picking the Ds at this place. Like a defender is called out for a bad block that screens the goalie. How often is the forward called out for putting the puck 3 inches over the bar instead of 3 inches under the bar? It’s the same thing. The game is so fast and the marginals so small.

In addition, playing D as a defender is normally “easy” you have marginals. Most of these situations were a D gets into problem it’s because of a break down up ice. If those break downs do not occur, a D will barely be tested. If you look at the Canada game, it was full of “break downs”, forced errors or whatever you want to call it. It’s not easy to play D in those situations.
 
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Ola said:
Yeah, but at the same time, everyone think Samuelson is awful too. And Broberg. And Bahl. And just about anyone not playing in a sheltered role.

I often want to compare forwards to defenders. They have more or less identical offensive and defensive responsibilities, it’s not 1970 anymore, all guys plays both ways. If I don’t have an equal amount of positive and negative things to say about the forwards as the defenders I am really really watching the wrong things.

And I just think we really are nit picking the Ds at this place. Like a defender is called out for a bad block that screens the goalie. How often is the forward called out for putting the puck 3 inches over the bar instead of 3 inches under the bar? It’s the same thing. The game is so fast and the marginals so small.

In addition, playing D as a defender is normally “easy” you have marginals. Most of these situations were a D gets into problem it’s because of a break down up ice. If those break downs do not occur, a D will barely be tested. If you look at the Canada game, it was full of “break downs”, forced errors or whatever you want to call it. It’s not easy to play D in those situations.
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he is
 
Let’s not forget that Miller at this age should mostly focus on improving his physic, skating, stickhandling, shooting and offensive game in general.

Pinning down the small things defensively will come with age and coaching when he gets older. But those things mentioned above, there won’t be much time at all thinking about them in the AHL playing 3 tough games a week and traveling.
 
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GeorgeKaplan said:
I haven’t been able to watch him outside of a few games at Wisconsin this year (I've been pretty busy the past few months and I hope to fix this once everything slows down a little bit for me), so I can’t really say one way or the other with much recent evidence to back it up. But I will say that I saw you say yesterday you were hoping he’d go the junior route after he was drafted, and I was right there with you, and before this season started I was saying he should turn pro to get more games and to learn how to play against competition he can’t use his tools so effectively against as a shortcut. Not the most interesting final answer but I won’t be upset with either choice because I think he can still benefit from staying and benefit from turning pro, but if that’s the case it might be better to just let him stay for a junior year
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Thanks I appreciate the response. You know one of the reasons he was available in the 20s during his draft year was because he was playing 12-13 minutes a night on the 3rd pair his draft year. So not only did he lack the reps, he lacked the ice time as well.

I think the biggest benefit of college for Key is that he gets to muscle up, and I think with his skating ability and size, it's enough to turn pro. Even if he isn't fully there yet, another summer of training should get him there.

The concern I have is HFD. Given what's transpired there, is it a good place for a kid like Key?

I don't know. But given what we've been seeing with our drafted assets and HFD, I really don't know if it's a good place for Key.
 
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Mikos87 said:
Thanks I appreciate the response. You know one of the reasons he was available in the 20s during his draft year was because he was playing 12-13 minutes a night on the 3rd pair his draft year. So not only did he lack the reps, he lacked the ice time as well.

I think the biggest benefit of college for Key is that he gets to muscle up, and I think with his skating ability and size, it's enough to turn pro. Even if he isn't fully there yet, another summer of training should get him there.

The concern I have is HFD. Given what's transpired there, is it a good place for a kid like Key?

I don't know. But given what we've been seeing with our drafted assets and HFD, I really don't know if it's a good place for Key.
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Is it the right place? I don't really know. Is it better now by far than it would have been in the last few years? Absolutely
 
Mikos87 said:
Thanks I appreciate the response. You know one of the reasons he was available in the 20s during his draft year was because he was playing 12-13 minutes a night on the 3rd pair his draft year. So not only did he lack the reps, he lacked the ice time as well.

I think the biggest benefit of college for Key is that he gets to muscle up, and I think with his skating ability and size, it's enough to turn pro. Even if he isn't fully there yet, another summer of training should get him there.

The concern I have is HFD. Given what's transpired there, is it a good place for a kid like Key?

I don't know. But given what we've been seeing with our drafted assets and HFD, I really don't know if it's a good place for Key.
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There are pros and cons on whatever Miller’s next year’s path is going to be but there’s absolutely nothing “transpired” in Hartford to use as a negative for Miller going there. Kravtsov had an error due to immaturity in choosing to leave Hartford, realized it and was promptly corrected. Andersson who chose to pout instead of persevere also doesn’t not reflect on Hartford. Filip was fine going there. Lindgren and Hajek spent a whole year there last season and turned out fine even with the previous coaching staff.
 
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kovazub94 said:
There are pros and cons on whatever Miller’s next year’s path is going to be but there’s absolutely nothing “transpired” in Hartford to use as a negative for Miller going there. Kravtsov had an error due to immaturity in choosing to leave Hartford, realized it and was promptly corrected. Andersson who chose to pout instead of persevere also doesn’t not reflect on Hartford. Filip was fine going there. Lindgren and Hajek spent a whole year there last season and turned out fine even with the previous coaching staff.
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Yeah and honestly the problem with both Kravtsov and Andersson was realted to their roles in the NHL. If Kravtsov was in the NHL, he wouldn't have left (he couldn't have, but still, the NHL is where he wanted to be) and Andersson was pissed that he didn't have a bigger NHL role. Then they were both pissed they were in the AHL being treated like anyone else. So really, it wasn't even an AHL thing.
 
Mikos87 said:
Thanks I appreciate the response. You know one of the reasons he was available in the 20s during his draft year was because he was playing 12-13 minutes a night on the 3rd pair his draft year. So not only did he lack the reps, he lacked the ice time as well.

I think the biggest benefit of college for Key is that he gets to muscle up, and I think with his skating ability and size, it's enough to turn pro. Even if he isn't fully there yet, another summer of training should get him there.

The concern I have is HFD. Given what's transpired there, is it a good place for a kid like Key?

I don't know. But given what we've been seeing with our drafted assets and HFD, I really don't know if it's a good place for Key.
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Yeah, the safe bet is for sure to leave him in college, plus Tarmo is coming over next year and there’s probably going to be a lot of left defensemen for a few spots. I’d hope the organization gets a clearer picture with what’s going on in Hartford by the end of the year and can make a more informed decision
 
so according to my dvr schedule, the NHL network is now going to air all 4 games tomorrow...czech republic/germany and sweden/switzerland will be aired taped since the games are all at the same time. but atleast we'll get to watch 3 of our prospects in that sweden/swiss game
 
I'd take Miller to Hartford next year and let him adjust to the nhl schedule down there and adjust to playing against stronger men. I'd hope Jones lands there too but I'm not sure what their plan is for him but he has looked great so far for the Us
 
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