2020 Roster and Fantasy GM Thread II

[vancityluongo]

Lol I forgot Leivo and Ferland exist. Yikes.

 

[rypper]

JT MIller was our MVP

 

[Kryten]

Get rid of Sutter for a draft pick or prospect and sign Brassard to a 1 year deal for 2m or less. How TF did Benn get 2x2 or Schaller get almost the same?

 

[bandwagonesque]

Get rid of Sutter for a draft pick or prospect and sign Brassard to a 1 year deal for 2m or less. How TF did Benn get 2x2 or Schaller get almost the same?

It was market value for Benn and approval of the deal was unanimous at the time. Schaller was overpaid.

 

[Bleach Clean]

If we win the lottery, I'd look to sell high on JT Miller for Vince Dunn + or Brett Pesce +. Use that + to free up cap - let's say we dump Sutter. Let's also say we compliance Eriksson.

I like the Tim Heed idea, but only if we can't land another RH defenseman - would rather keep Stecher over him. The crop of UFA centers is exceptionally weak, so let's say we sign Namestnikov for the 3C spot. Waive Beagle. Let Tanev go, unfortunately.

Lafreniere - Pettersson - Boeser
Pearson - Horvat - Toffoli
Gaudette - Namestnikov - Virtanen
Motte - MacEwan - Roussel

Hughes - Pesce
Edler - Stecher
Benn - Myers

Markstrom
Demko

If we don't win the lottery (lol), trade Demko instead of Miller for futures, and go slightly more "all-in" - and target Sami Vatanen in UFA. Let Toffoli walk, keep Tanev. Trade the rights to Stecher for the rights to a similar RFA forward - someone like Ryan Hartman. Waive Benn too, and snag a cheap Fantenberg replacement - Jon Merrill? Keep Dominigue (remember him??) as the backup.

Miller - Pettersson - Boeser
Gaudette - Horvat - Virtanen
Pearson - Namestnikov - Hartman
Motte - MacEwan - Roussel

Hughes - Vatanen
Edler - Tanev
Merrill - Myers

Markstrom
Domingue

If the season is going well, trade Gaudette for a Horvat linemate - Brendan Gallagher is an UFA next year, and would be a good fit next to Horvat. If it isn't, trade Miller (and possibly Horvat) for high end young players.

Interesting ideas, I'll comment more in depth later.

Just some initial thoughts: I would do everything I could to retain youth regardless of what happens to the current roster. Why? The youth is the only chance this team has in competing with the upper echelon teams in the league. Without it, they are destined to be pedestrian regardless of Pettersson and Hughes at the forefront.

 

[rypper]

On the Canucks reddit page they're discussing where Horvat would go in a redraft of 2013.

Mackinnon, Barkov, and Jones were the agreed upon top 3, but after that some people were saying horvat as early as 4th. Personally I might put him 7th or 8th, after Monahan, Morrissey, and Theodore. (Not necessarily in that order. )

 

[VanillaCoke]

Yikes

I draft Horvat over those 3 easily. Especially Monahan and Morrissey.

 

[Bleach Clean]

On the Canucks reddit page they're discussing where Horvat would go in a redraft of 2013.

Mackinnon, Barkov, and Jones were the agreed upon top 3, but after that some people were saying horvat as early as 4th. Personally I might put him 7th or 8th, after Monahan, Morrissey, and Theodore. (Not necessarily in that order. )

Names to consider: Theodore, Guentzel, Mantha and Pesce.

 

[Bleach Clean]

If we don't win the lottery (lol), trade Demko instead of Miller for futures, and go slightly more "all-in" - and target Sami Vatanen in UFA. Let Toffoli walk, keep Tanev. Trade the rights to Stecher for the rights to a similar RFA forward - someone like Ryan Hartman. Waive Benn too, and snag a cheap Fantenberg replacement - Jon Merrill? Keep Dominigue (remember him??) as the backup.

Miller - Pettersson - Boeser
Gaudette - Horvat - Virtanen
Pearson - Namestnikov - Hartman
Motte - MacEwan - Roussel

Hughes - Vatanen
Edler - Tanev
Merrill - Myers

Markstrom
Domingue

If the season is going well, trade Gaudette for a Horvat linemate - Brendan Gallagher is an UFA next year, and would be a good fit next to Horvat. If it isn't, trade Miller (and possibly Horvat) for high end young players.

A re-tool around Pettersson and Hughes? Very aggressive. I like it if they get a prime asset back for Horvat.

As stated earlier, I would retain young players. Without them, this team isn’t going anywhere. If that means letting Markstrom walk, that’s what I would do. Likewise, I would not trade youth to get rid of Eriksson either.

Beyond that, just wait out the poor contracts. If the youth is not enough to buoy this team moving forward, then trade Miller before his final year. Possibly even more outside of Pettersson and Hughes.

If they can sign Toffoli without suffering down the line too much, I would do that. Leivo too. This opens up a Virtanen trade for a young dman.

 

[elitepete]

On a down year Barrie still put up 39 points in 70 games. He's a good puck moving defensemen who will help improve our offence.

Myers is a bottom pair defensemen. Barrie is easily a top 4 defensemen. The fact that you equate them as the same tells me you don't know much about Barrie, or perhaps you just don't like him because he played for Toronto this year.

Umm no. I’m not equating the 2 as players. I’m comparing the contracts and that Barrie contract is even worse than the Myers contract.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Umm no. I’m not equating the 2 as players. I’m comparing the contracts and that Barrie contract is even worse than the Myers contract.

No. It’s a bigger contract than the Myers contract. It’s not worse because he’s a far better player than Tyler Myers.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Yikes

I draft Horvat over those 3 easily. Especially Monahan and Morrissey.

Morrissey does it all, he's an incredibly versatile defeceman. He blocks a lot of shots, hits, puts up good offensive numbers, and is very reliable in his own zone, while playing around 20 mins a game. He's one of the better #2-3 dmen in the league, with room to grow into a true #1.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Yikes

I draft Horvat over those 3 easily. Especially Monahan and Morrissey.

Monahan is very debatable but I would take Morrisey over Horvat in a heartbeat. Horvat is ridiculously overrated by our fan base.

 

[Diamonddog01]

If we were to win 1st overall (we won’t) I’d look at trading Gaudette, Pearson and a signed Toffoli as a) part of a package to unload some of our junk or b) to get assets that could land a shut-down C and defensive top 4 LHD. The more I’ve looked into it the more I think Eriksson Ek and Brodin would be perfect, but Wild fans want a top 6 C. May not be a deal there but I’d target players in that mold.

Miller - Pettersson - Virtanen
Lafreniere - Horvat - Boeser
Roussel - Eriksson Ek - Leivo
Motte - Beagle - MacEwen
Ferland

Hughes - Tanev
Brodin - Myers
Edler - Rafferty
Fantenberg

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

If we were to win 1st overall (we won’t) I’d look at trading Gaudette, Pearson and a signed Toffoli as a) part of a package to unload some of our junk or b) to get assets that could land a shut-down C and defensive top 4 LHD. The more I’ve looked into it the more I think Eriksson Ek and Brodin would be perfect, but Wild fans want a top 6 C. May not be a deal there but I’d target players in that mold.

Miller - Pettersson - Virtanen
Lafreniere - Horvat - Boeser
Roussel - Eriksson Ek - Leivo
Motte - Beagle - MacEwen
Ferland

Hughes - Tanev
Brodin - Myers
Edler - Rafferty
Fantenberg

Like a said Eriksson Ek isn't available because wild dont have c

As for Brodin, it's a fact he's asking for top 6c

 

[Diamonddog01]

Like a said Eriksson Ek isn't available because wild dont have c

As for Brodin, it's a fact he's asking for top 6c

So this is roster and fantasy GM thread in the Canucks forum, not sure why you felt the need to post here nor do I think you speak for the Wild organization. Highly doubt Guerin gets a young top 6 C for a player that is 1 year away from unrestricted free agency.

If you read the post I also said ‘may not be a deal there’ followed by ‘target players in that mold.’ Additionally ‘use the aforementioned players to get assets that could land us those types of players.’

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

So this is roster and fantasy GM thread in the Canucks forum, not sure why you felt the need to post here nor do I think you speak for the Wild organization.

If you read the post I also said ‘may not be a fit’ followed by ‘target players in that mold.’ Additionally ‘use the aforementioned players to get assets that perhaps the Wild would want.’

It's seems you don't understand wi lj d aren't just going to get rid of a young 2c / 3c in el when wild other c is Staal 38 years old

 

[Diamonddog01]

It's seems you don't understand wi lj d aren't just going to get rid of a young 2c / 3c in el when wild other c is Staal 38 years old

This is a FANTASY thread in the Canucks forum. And again I don’t think you speak for the Wild organization. And again, re-read the f***ing post.

 

[m9]

If we were to win 1st overall (we won’t) I’d look at trading Gaudette, Pearson and a signed Toffoli as a) part of a package to unload some of our junk or b) to get assets that could land a shut-down C and defensive top 4 LHD. The more I’ve looked into it the more I think Eriksson Ek and Brodin would be perfect, but Wild fans want a top 6 C. May not be a deal there but I’d target players in that mold.

Miller - Pettersson - Virtanen
Lafreniere - Horvat - Boeser
Roussel - Eriksson Ek - Leivo
Motte - Beagle - MacEwen
Ferland

Hughes - Tanev
Brodin - Myers
Edler - Rafferty
Fantenberg

Sign-and-trades don't happen in the NHL, not sure why you would suggest it as a realistic option.

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

This is a FANTASY thread in the Canucks forum. And again I don’t think you speak for the Wild organization. And again, re-read the f***ing post.

& it seems you are letting your fantasy get to you.

Wild Legit have no c & it a fact. That aren't trading a good young shut down c & lottery c in Ek. You can say it a million times I don't speak for wild organization , but it's a fact

 

[Diamonddog01]

& it seems you are letting your fantasy get to you.

Wild Legit have no c & it a fact. That aren't trading a good young shut down c & lottery c in Ek. You can say it a million times I don't speak for wild organization , but it's a fact

Please re-read the post before responding again. Thanks.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Morrissey does it all, he's an incredibly versatile defeceman. He blocks a lot of shots, hits, puts up good offensive numbers, and is very reliable in his own zone, while playing around 20 mins a game. He's one of the better #2-3 dmen in the league, with room to grow into a true #1.

Monahan is very debatable but I would take Morrisey over Horvat in a heartbeat. Horvat is ridiculously overrated by our fan base.

I'm a big fan of Morrisey, I'm just a bigger fan of Horvat. I think a Cup winning team needs Horvat more than either of those dmen and far far more than monahan.

Edit. I probably have the that draft class top 10 like so
1. MacKinnon
2. Barkov
3. Seth Jones
4. Werenski
5. Guentzel
6. Horvat
7. Morrisey
8. Elias Lindholm
9. Mantha
10. Nurse/Pulock/Theodore

 

[Catamarca Livin]

I'm a big fan of Morrisey, I'm just a bigger fan of Horvat. I think a Cup winning team needs Horvat more than either of those dmen and far far more than monahan.

Edit. I probably have the that draft class top 10 like so
1. MacKinnon
2. Barkov
3. Seth Jones
4. Werenski
5. Guentzel
6. Horvat
7. Morrisey
8. Elias Lindholm
9. Mantha
10. Nurse/Pulock/Theodore

Horvat is not good defensively, is the beneficiary of being on a great pp and has little physical affect on a game. He is a good role model and good on the rush. The arrival of Miller really exposed Horvat's level as a good player but not a difference maker on a good team. He is now team's 5 best positional player behind Boeser, Miller, Petterson and Hughes. Still a good asset.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Horvat is not good defensively, is the beneficiary of being on a great pp and has little physical affect on a game. He is a good role model and good on the rush. The arrival of Miller really exposed Horvat's level as a good player but not a difference maker on a good team. He is now team's 5 best positional player behind Boeser, Miller, Petterson and Hughes. Still a good asset.

Nailed it.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Horvat is not good defensively, is the beneficiary of being on a great pp and has little physical affect on a game. He is a good role model and good on the rush. The arrival of Miller really exposed Horvat's level as a good player but not a difference maker on a good team. He is now team's 5 best positional player behind Boeser, Miller, Petterson and Hughes. Still a good asset.

That's one way of seeing it, sure. Here's another:

- Boeser was actually treated as this team's 5th best option. Horvat's assignments and QoC lend credence to this. Boeser was pushed down the line-up.
- Miller performed as a 1st liner. Horvat has always been a high end 2C or fringe 1C.
- Horvat's usage works against his numbers. He should not be used as a match up C.
- How easy is it to produce at a 63 point pace from the 2C position? Deserves some study.

(Players that finished with his P/GP~ this year: Giroux, Hertl, Couture, Larkin, Seguin)

I don't think you are properly weighting Horvat's performance relative to his team, or against the baseline of the league.

I'm a big fan of Morrisey, I'm just a bigger fan of Horvat. I think a Cup winning team needs Horvat more than either of those dmen and far far more than monahan.

Edit. I probably have the that draft class top 10 like so
1. MacKinnon
2. Barkov
3. Seth Jones
4. Werenski
5. Guentzel
6. Horvat
7. Morrisey
8. Elias Lindholm
9. Mantha
10. Nurse/Pulock/Theodore

I like your list.

Mantha vs. Lindholm is a good debate. Edit: (Werenski was not in the 2013 draft) Guentzel ahead of Horvat makes sense.