Management 2020 Off-Season Proposals , trade, sign, kick to curb IV

[Blowfish]

I heard the same thing. He said he told Kaberle to give him a list of teams that he would accept a trade to. Kaberle told him that he didn't have to accept a trade to which Burke replied I don't have to play you. Kaberle then gave him a list.

Burke has a book out. I love NHL on satellite radio. (I also wish Burke was our GM)

No friggin way we would want that pompous AH. Inherited a cup winning team and destroyed every other team thereafter.

A big big no thanks. BTW there's a reason he's a radio host today.

 

[BlackFrancis]

I think Tampa is going to definitely match any offer sheet accepted by Sergachev. He is their top priority RFA.
Instead Sweeney should put the hammer down on Tampa with an offer sheets to both Cirelli at $6,5M and Cernak at $4M. The picks compensation for Cirelli would be 1st and 3rd, for Cernak 2nd.
If Bruins would get both they will improve at both top6 and top4 D.
If Tampa matches one and let go the other one it weakens Tampa and improves Bruins.
If Tampa matches both they still have to get rid of other good players and also some of their prospects/draft picks. Their depth and prospect/draft pool would take a hit.
Bruins have nothing to lose with those 2 moves, either they get one or two impact players or they screw Tampa even more.

Should Bruins get Cirelli they can trade Krejci for a pick to a team with a playoffs ambitions (Columbus). Dubois & Krejci to center 1-2 line.
Should Bruins get Cernak they can choose if they want to keep him and Carlo (convert one to LD) or swap one for top 4 LD/top6 winger.

Carlo + DeBrusk + 1B prospect(Vaak) for Laine
Krejci for 2nd/conditinal 1st
2nd/conditional 1st + Bjork + Clifton for top 4 LD (maybe Keith if Hawks retain 1M???)
Lindholm, Wagner, Ritchie, Moore for any picks they can get

Laine Cirelli Pastrnak (top line only from the young guys)
Marchand Bergeron Studnicka (less heavy minutes for Bergy and Marchy)
Kase Coyle Smith (physical 3rd line)
McKegg Kuraly Senyshyn (7-8min)
Kuhlman

Keith McAvoy
Grzelcyk Cernak
Zboril Lauzon
Kampfer

LTIR: Miller

Ralak

You put all that effort in and wind up with Cireli as your top line center, a rookie 2nd line RW, three right shots on your third line and replace ancient Chara with his fellow AARP member Duncan Keith?

 

[Blowfish]

Trading with Tampa is a pipe dream....

 

[Blowfish]

Insider Trading: Mike Hoffman waiting for right opportunity; Flames eyeing right-side defence - TSN.ca

 

[BruinDust]

They are not moving on from them by choice. No one I think can afford oft injured Stamkos and his 8.5 million cap hit for 4 more years. I do not see why his name is brought up with us with the top 3 being set.

Sergachev could get offer sheeted for more than they can match. If they add Cirelli and Johnson they are doomed. There Roster Size is: 18/23. They are losing one or a few. Why they choose Schenn and Maroon to sign before locking him up was dumb.

Schenn makes 800k. Maroon 900k. The minimum salary is 700k. One way or another you need skaters to fill roster spots. So if it's not Schenn or Maroon occupying a roster spot it's another player making 700-800k. TB signing them has zero bearing on getting Cirelli, Sergachev, etc. signed. If anything, it allows TB to feel more comfortable moving out a large AAV contract knowing you have two NHL caliber players (Schenn/Maroon) locked up in the fold at very low cap hits.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Schenn makes 800k. Maroon 900k. The minimum salary is 700k. One way or another you need skaters to fill roster spots. So if it's not Schenn or Maroon occupying a roster spot it's another player making 700-800k. TB signing them has zero bearing on getting Cirelli, Sergachev, etc. signed. If anything, it allows TB to feel more comfortable moving out a large AAV contract knowing you have two NHL caliber players (Schenn/Maroon) locked up in the fold at very low cap hits.

Which large one are they moving out and who can afford that? Stamkos is going nowhere, so it has to be Killorn, Johnson or Cirelli. That is the bind they are in, being at 18 of 23 roster spots and not much cap left. They are going to take a bath and be slower and older. Those guys they signed are older bottom level players. I must say they are cheaper than Wagner and Miller and maybe as or more effective. Killorn would be a nice fit on this team.

 

[Florida Bruin]

Debrusk for Sergachev.

Who says no?

Boston or Tampa?

 

[PlayMakers]

Anybody have insight on these UFA defensemen?

Ben Hutton
Slater Koekkoek
Mirco Mueller
Travis Hamonic

I looked at their numbers...

Hutton played 20+ a night for VAN in 2019 but seemed to struggle. Played about 19 for LA last year and seemed to do very well on a bad team. 6’2 LD, 27 years old.

Koekkoek can’t seem to stay healthy but is a great skater and was supposedly one of CHI’s better d last season. They seemed surprised he was let go, which makes me wonder if there are off-ice issues? 6’2”, LD, 26 years old.

Mirco Mueller, former 1st round pick has size and Youth, so why is he a UFA? 6’3, LD, 25 years old.

Travis Hamonic is a RD so he’s not ideal, but he’s an experienced vet, I’d be surprised if he couldn’t transition to the left side. That said, I wonder why he hasn’t signed? 6’2, RH, 29 years old.

 

[BruinDust]

Which large one are they moving out and who can afford that? Stamkos is going nowhere, so it has to be Killorn, Johnson or Cirelli. That is the bind they are in, being at 18 of 23 roster spots and not much cap left. They are going to take a bath and be slower and older. Those guys they signed are older bottom level players. I must say they are cheaper than Wagner and Miller and maybe as or more effective. Killorn would be a nice fit on this team.

I have no idea who they will move.

Cleary Johnson was the guy and he wasn't claimed on waivers. But they might be able to rid themselves of him if they add a sweetener. For example, say they toss Ottawa a 1st round pick to take on Johnson's contract. They'll pretty much exhaust all options to move Johnson before tackling anyone else.

That being said, just moving Johnson doesn't solve their cap problem, I don't think even if they bridge-contract all 3 of Cirelli/Sergachev/Cernak. They will need to move at least one more higher salaried guy.

I think they'd love to move Coburn out and insert a low-salaried guy (700-900k) and save themselves 1 million or less. But at his age with a NTC probably not going to happen and the savings doesn't warrant adding a sweetener to move Coburn. Plus he's still serviceable even if he's overpaid by about 800k.

So to me it's down to Palat, Gourde, or Killorn. All 3 have versions of no-trade clauses.

My guess is at the end of the day they'll find a way to move Johnson and one of Palat/Killorn/Gourde, re-sign Cirelli/Sergachev/Cernak to bridge contracts, and fill up the rest of their roster spots with low-salaried guys in their system.

 

[elMatador]

You put all that effort in and wind up with Cireli as your top line center, a rookie 2nd line RW, three right shots on your third line and replace ancient Chara with his fellow AARP member Duncan Keith?

I understand your disappointment. I took a very conservative approach this time.
6 pages ago I took a much more aggresive look (Barzal, Laine) however that would never happen during Sweeney's tenure. And quite tight to get under the cap.

I see a lot of Bergeron in Cirelli. He didn't put big numbers yet but is already a complete player.
I want Stud under the supervision of Bergeron to see if he and Marchy can mould him into a 2 way player.
Kase on his off wing is a question mark.
Keith despite being old is still somehow servicable and can at least skate. If Gryz or Zboril would grab top pair LD spot during the camp I would not hesitate to limit Keith to a bottom pair.

 

[ON3M4N]

Anybody have insight on these UFA defensemen?

Ben Hutton
Slater Koekkoek
Mirco Mueller
Travis Hamonic

I looked at their numbers...

Hutton played 20+ a night for VAN in 2019 but seemed to struggle. Played about 19 for LA last year and seemed to do very well on a bad team. 6’2 LD, 27 years old.

Koekkoek can’t seem to stay healthy but is a great skater and was supposedly one of CHI’s better d last season. They seemed surprised he was let go, which makes me wonder if there are off-ice issues? 6’2”, LD, 26 years old.

Mirco Mueller, former 1st round pick has size and Youth, so why is he a UFA? 6’3, LD, 25 years old.

Travis Hamonic is a RD so he’s not ideal, but he’s an experienced vet, I’d be surprised if he couldn’t transition to the left side. That said, I wonder why he hasn’t signed? 6’2, RH, 29 years old.

Can't speak for most of these guys, but Hamonic has stated he wants to stay out west and be close to his family.

 

[Absurdity]

Anybody have insight on these UFA defensemen?

Ben Hutton
Slater Koekkoek
Mirco Mueller
Travis Hamonic

I looked at their numbers...

Hutton played 20+ a night for VAN in 2019 but seemed to struggle. Played about 19 for LA last year and seemed to do very well on a bad team. 6’2 LD, 27 years old.

Koekkoek can’t seem to stay healthy but is a great skater and was supposedly one of CHI’s better d last season. They seemed surprised he was let go, which makes me wonder if there are off-ice issues? 6’2”, LD, 26 years old.

Mirco Mueller, former 1st round pick has size and Youth, so why is he a UFA? 6’3, LD, 25 years old.

Travis Hamonic is a RD so he’s not ideal, but he’s an experienced vet, I’d be surprised if he couldn’t transition to the left side. That said, I wonder why he hasn’t signed? 6’2, RH, 29 years old.

Wasn't it rumored around here that the Bruins were interested in Koekkoek when he was with Tampa?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Debrusk for Sergachev.

Who says no?

Boston or Tampa?

Tampa

 

[Ratty]

Tampa

Right. They’d still have to sign Jake who is reportedly seeking $4m per.

 

[PlayMakers]

Wasn't it rumored around here that the Bruins were interested in Koekkoek when he was with Tampa?

That does ring a bell. He’s a former top 10 pick from 2012, but he seemed to regress every year in Tampa/Syracuse, when he finally made Tampa/NHL full time he Seemed to got injured every year, playing 35, 31, we and then last year playing 42 games. Maybe he’s UFA because he’s made of glass.

 

[JOKER 192]

A career total of -58 ( including an ugly -31 in the 2017-18 season ) tells me that his defensive weaknesses are not that exaggerated.

I think you just proved my point. If he's a -58 career and -31 came in one season that makes him -27 for the rest of his career. So if you take away that year that was his 1st full season under Julien where he had him in his dog house and misused him, then ya , it is exaggerated.

If you surround him with the right linemates he's a bargain at 1.05M. Bruins have nothing but defensive players how about someone that can score for a change.

 

[Dr Hook]

Travis Hamonic is a RD so he’s not ideal, but he’s an experienced vet, I’d be surprised if he couldn’t transition to the left side. That said, I wonder why he hasn’t signed? 6’2, RH, 29 years old.

Not sure if this connected, but Hamonic opted out of the return to play, and perhaps he was not willing to commit to a new contract given the unsure state of how things will be going forward.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Schenn makes 800k. Maroon 900k. The minimum salary is 700k. One way or another you need skaters to fill roster spots. So if it's not Schenn or Maroon occupying a roster spot it's another player making 700-800k. TB signing them has zero bearing on getting Cirelli, Sergachev, etc. signed. If anything, it allows TB to feel more comfortable moving out a large AAV contract knowing you have two NHL caliber players (Schenn/Maroon) locked up in the fold at very low cap hits.

Seeing those contracts... makes me wonder how the hell Kevan Miller was able to pull off getting paid more in salary, not including bonuses is absurd given the situation around the league. Why would you basically add a 2 million dollar cap hit on a guy that didn't play for 2 years, especially when you need to move salary elsewhere to even make any moves?

Almost certain he wouldn't have gotten more than 900k offer from any other team.

 

[BruinDust]

Seeing those contracts... makes me wonder how the hell Kevan Miller was able to pull off getting paid more in salary, not including bonuses is absurd given the situation around the league. Why would you basically add a 2 million dollar cap hit on a guy that didn't play for 2 years, especially when you need to move salary elsewhere to even make any moves?

Almost certain he wouldn't have gotten more than 900k offer from any other team.

I don't think he gets a guaranteed contract offer from any other team. Outside of the Bruins I don't think he gets anything other than a PTO.

I appreciate how hard Kevan Miller worked to make the NHL and how hard he has rehabbed to get back into playing condition. I'm sure part of their confidence in him is knowing the person (plus the extent of his injury) and his relentless work ethic. That being said, the reality is to the rest of the NHL they guy hasn't stepped on NHL ice in nearly two years by the time the next season begins, and in the current market, I don't think that gets him a guaranteed contract.

 

[Dr Hook]

I don't think he gets a guaranteed contract offer from any other team. Outside of the Bruins I don't think he gets anything other than a PTO.

I appreciate how hard Kevan Miller worked to make the NHL and how hard he has rehabbed to get back into playing condition. I'm sure part of their confidence in him is knowing the person (plus the extent of his injury) and his relentless work ethic. That being said, the reality is to the rest of the NHL they guy hasn't stepped on NHL ice in nearly two years by the time the next season begins, and in the current market, I don't think that gets him a guaranteed contract.

Yeah I'm almost certain he would have gotten zero offers from any other team.

 

[BruinDust]

Yeah I'm almost certain he would have gotten zero offers from any other team.

What boggles my mind is this.....

We know now that Kevan Miller didn't even make it to free agency, he said it himself he didn't even get to the point where he was even allowed to entertain offers from other teams. Sweeney could of easily said to him go see what's out there and before making a decision to leave, come back and talk to us. He didn't use any sort of leverage whatsoever and just handed Miller an offer he basically couldn't refuse given that Miller himself had practically no leverage (the potential of him leaving shouldn't of been significant leverage given the circumstances).

 

[Dr Hook]

What boggles my mind is this.....

We know now that Kevan Miller didn't even make it to free agency, he said it himself he didn't even get to the point where he was even allowed to entertain offers from other teams. Sweeney could of easily said to him go see what's out there and before making a decision to leave, come back and talk to us. He didn't use any sort of leverage whatsoever and just handed Miller an offer he basically couldn't refuse given that Miller himself had practically no leverage (the potential of him leaving shouldn't of been significant leverage given the circumstances).

Yes, it was hugely puzzling. He didn't even wait to see if Miller was medically cleared to play according Miller himself. Donnie and then what was behind trading our 7th rounder this year for TOR's 7th next year? I am sure there was a reason other than "Sweney is stupid" but I would love to hear the thinking behind these two moves.

 

[UncleRico]

Yes, it was hugely puzzling. He didn't even wait to see if Miller was medically cleared to play according Miller himself. Donnie and then what was behind trading our 7th rounder this year for TOR's 7th next year? I am sure there was a reason other than "Sweney is stupid" but I would love to hear the thinking behind these two moves.

Sweeney must really like next drafts 7th round depth lmao

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

What boggles my mind is this.....

We know now that Kevan Miller didn't even make it to free agency, he said it himself he didn't even get to the point where he was even allowed to entertain offers from other teams. Sweeney could of easily said to him go see what's out there and before making a decision to leave, come back and talk to us. He didn't use any sort of leverage whatsoever and just handed Miller an offer he basically couldn't refuse given that Miller himself had practically no leverage (the potential of him leaving shouldn't of been significant leverage given the circumstances).

Perhaps knowing Miller's complete situation, it was a case of good will.

 

[BruinDust]

Perhaps knowing Miller's complete situation, it was a case of good will.

And to a degree I can appreciate that. These are people first, not assets, even when running a business.