Management 2020 Off-Season Proposals , trade, sign, kick to curb IV

[DominicT]

Do you think he wants to drop one now?

Nope.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

a guy no one ever mentions is brent burns out of san jose… dude is 35 and signed at 8 mill so its a very scary contract. he has a 3 team no trade list and theres no guarantee we would be one of those 3 teams

but san jose wont contend anytime soon... is it possible they want to cut some costs with covid? could we find a trade that makes sense? is he the missing ingredient that makes us a cup contender?

my trade suggestion would include
brandon carlo

both are right shot dmen... so we are upgrading now. we are adding a krug replacement for the pp.

and id want to stick them with
john moore

we need to make the cap work... burns is a 5 year deal... moore just a 3 year deal.

basically I think keeping carlo/moore will be around a 6-7 mill cap hit
burns and a kid like vaakanainen will be around a 9 mill... so we are adding some cost but is the improvement worth it?

could we throw in someone like Bjork and convince san jose to retain a million?

honestly... id probably rather have oel… but if that cant happen, id gladly settle for burns. getting ourselves a 23-24 min per night stud is a missing ingredient for us imho. our window to win doesnt last 5 years anyhow. im not too worried about burns being a cap drag 4-5 years from now.

if I can get 3 years of him as a 40-60 point 23 min a night top pair dman to compliment McAvoy I take that and run

 

[shelbysdad]

a guy no one ever mentions is brent burns out of san jose… dude is 35 and signed at 8 mill so its a very scary contract. he has a 3 team no trade list and theres no guarantee we would be one of those 3 teams

but san jose wont contend anytime soon... is it possible they want to cut some costs with covid? could we find a trade that makes sense? is he the missing ingredient that makes us a cup contender?

my trade suggestion would include
brandon carlo

both are right shot dmen... so we are upgrading now. we are adding a krug replacement for the pp.

and id want to stick them with
john moore

we need to make the cap work... burns is a 5 year deal... moore just a 3 year deal.

basically I think keeping carlo/moore will be around a 6-7 mill cap hit
burns and a kid like vaakanainen will be around a 9 mill... so we are adding some cost but is the improvement worth it?

could we throw in someone like Bjork and convince san jose to retain a million?

honestly... id probably rather have oel… but if that cant happen, id gladly settle for burns. getting ourselves a 23-24 min per night stud is a missing ingredient for us imho. our window to win doesnt last 5 years anyhow. im not too worried about burns being a cap drag 4-5 years from now.

if I can get 3 years of him as a 40-60 point 23 min a night top pair dman to compliment McAvoy I take that and run

CARLO ??? how about hell no

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

a guy no one ever mentions is brent burns out of san jose… dude is 35 and signed at 8 mill so its a very scary contract. he has a 3 team no trade list and theres no guarantee we would be one of those 3 teams

but san jose wont contend anytime soon... is it possible they want to cut some costs with covid? could we find a trade that makes sense? is he the missing ingredient that makes us a cup contender?

my trade suggestion would include
brandon carlo

both are right shot dmen... so we are upgrading now. we are adding a krug replacement for the pp.

and id want to stick them with
john moore

we need to make the cap work... burns is a 5 year deal... moore just a 3 year deal.

basically I think keeping carlo/moore will be around a 6-7 mill cap hit
burns and a kid like vaakanainen will be around a 9 mill... so we are adding some cost but is the improvement worth it?

could we throw in someone like Bjork and convince san jose to retain a million?

honestly... id probably rather have oel… but if that cant happen, id gladly settle for burns. getting ourselves a 23-24 min per night stud is a missing ingredient for us imho. our window to win doesnt last 5 years anyhow. im not too worried about burns being a cap drag 4-5 years from now.

if I can get 3 years of him as a 40-60 point 23 min a night top pair dman to compliment McAvoy I take that and run

With our aging core... moving the early 20 something Carlo for yet another mid-late 30 year old with a high price tag seems like a recipe for disaster.

No one is untouchable, and I am/was a big Burns fan, but I think we are probably at least 5 years too late.

We should be looking for the eventual replacements to our core: Bergeron, Krejci, Rask. We are currently HOPING someone can slot in to replace Krug. Acquiring Burns, I feel like isn't going to be enough to win, and it will make the eventual rebuild/retool much harder.

 

[chizzler]

Nope.

You sound mad or defeated Mr. T.

 

[tonino2424]

Big no thx

 

[DominicT]

You sound mad or defeated Mr. T.

Mad? No.
Defeated? No.

Deflated? Possibly.

 

[bbfan419]

a guy no one ever mentions is brent burns out of san jose… dude is 35 and signed at 8 mill so its a very scary contract. he has a 3 team no trade list and theres no guarantee we would be one of those 3 teams

but san jose wont contend anytime soon... is it possible they want to cut some costs with covid? could we find a trade that makes sense? is he the missing ingredient that makes us a cup contender?

my trade suggestion would include
brandon carlo

both are right shot dmen... so we are upgrading now. we are adding a krug replacement for the pp.

and id want to stick them with
john moore

we need to make the cap work... burns is a 5 year deal... moore just a 3 year deal.

basically I think keeping carlo/moore will be around a 6-7 mill cap hit
burns and a kid like vaakanainen will be around a 9 mill... so we are adding some cost but is the improvement worth it?

could we throw in someone like Bjork and convince san jose to retain a million?

honestly... id probably rather have oel… but if that cant happen, id gladly settle for burns. getting ourselves a 23-24 min per night stud is a missing ingredient for us imho. our window to win doesnt last 5 years anyhow. im not too worried about burns being a cap drag 4-5 years from now.

if I can get 3 years of him as a 40-60 point 23 min a night top pair dman to compliment McAvoy I take that and run

Why trade a 23 year old top 4 RHD for an much older and more expensive 35 year old that will be declining very soon if not already, why do you always want us to get so much older?

 

[Deuce17]

a guy no one ever mentions is brent burns out of san jose… dude is 35 and signed at 8 mill so its a very scary contract. he has a 3 team no trade list and theres no guarantee we would be one of those 3 teams

but san jose wont contend anytime soon... is it possible they want to cut some costs with covid? could we find a trade that makes sense? is he the missing ingredient that makes us a cup contender?

my trade suggestion would include
brandon carlo

both are right shot dmen... so we are upgrading now. we are adding a krug replacement for the pp.

and id want to stick them with
john moore

we need to make the cap work... burns is a 5 year deal... moore just a 3 year deal.

basically I think keeping carlo/moore will be around a 6-7 mill cap hit
burns and a kid like vaakanainen will be around a 9 mill... so we are adding some cost but is the improvement worth it?

could we throw in someone like Bjork and convince san jose to retain a million?

honestly... id probably rather have oel… but if that cant happen, id gladly settle for burns. getting ourselves a 23-24 min per night stud is a missing ingredient for us imho. our window to win doesnt last 5 years anyhow. im not too worried about burns being a cap drag 4-5 years from now.

if I can get 3 years of him as a 40-60 point 23 min a night top pair dman to compliment McAvoy I take that and run

Absolutely. Let’s get older, worse and more expensive

 

[CDJ]

I don't believe the notion that Sweeney is gun shy when it comes to an offer sheet.

In 2016, he bought out Denis Seidenberg with the intention of extending an offer sheet to a defenseman almost everyone here would have drooled over. It never materialized and that was probably due to the player not wanting to sign it.

crazy they were gonna give Seth Jones all that money, would’ve been sweet

 

[Sevendust]

crazy they were gonna give Seth Jones all that money, would’ve been sweet

My guess is Rasmus Ristolainen

 

[Fenian24]

IF we suck next season do you guys see Marchand being traded? He is capable of 100 points and the return would be massive with that contract. He is one of my favourite players and I'd love for him to retire as a Bruin but IF we suck I would want him to win another cup aswell.

IF that happened, what do you guys think the return would be for him and where would he waive his NMC?

He would waive for a few teams i would guess, but start with Dallas

 

[yazmybaby]

a guy no one ever mentions is brent burns out of san jose… dude is 35 and signed at 8 mill so its a very scary contract. he has a 3 team no trade list and theres no guarantee we would be one of those 3 teams

but san jose wont contend anytime soon... is it possible they want to cut some costs with covid? could we find a trade that makes sense? is he the missing ingredient that makes us a cup contender?

my trade suggestion would include
brandon carlo

both are right shot dmen... so we are upgrading now. we are adding a krug replacement for the pp.

and id want to stick them with
john moore

we need to make the cap work... burns is a 5 year deal... moore just a 3 year deal.

basically I think keeping carlo/moore will be around a 6-7 mill cap hit
burns and a kid like vaakanainen will be around a 9 mill... so we are adding some cost but is the improvement worth it?

could we throw in someone like Bjork and convince san jose to retain a million?

honestly... id probably rather have oel… but if that cant happen, id gladly settle for burns. getting ourselves a 23-24 min per night stud is a missing ingredient for us imho. our window to win doesnt last 5 years anyhow. im not too worried about burns being a cap drag 4-5 years from now.

if I can get 3 years of him as a 40-60 point 23 min a night top pair dman to compliment McAvoy I take that and run

No way I trade Carlo, a younger, more cost controlled dee for Burns who is at the tail end of his career.
Guys like Burns can be traded for " futures" , that contract is horrible.
IE it cost the Leafs a first rounder to dump one year of Patrick Marleau.
Marc Staal plus a second round pick to Detroit for futures.

 

[yazmybaby]

One possible move I would like to see happen is:
Patches and Martinez from Vegas to us for
DK , Moore and Vaak.
Vegas was looking for cap space and they get it after this upcoming season is over.
We have cap space next year when DK is off the books, basically a wash with what Patches is making.
I think Patches would get 25-30 goals for us, great add for the second line.
The move would mean Stud gets to play Center and move CC up to the second line.
AM sures up our LH dee we need for this season.
We dump Moore's contract.
It hurt's giving up Vaak but it would be worth it.

 

[Blowfish]

 

[Sheppy]

I just feel short changed. I seem to always feel this way when it comes to free agency/deadline day. I feel they do enough to say "well, we did something" but not enough to truly go for it.

I fully expect this team to get absolutely bullied next year. Especially without Z. Who will people have to answer to? They're still tiny in their top 9, they're still offensively challenged on the back end, and also tiny.

 

[DiggityDog]

a guy no one ever mentions is brent burns out of san jose… dude is 35 and signed at 8 mill so its a very scary contract. he has a 3 team no trade list and theres no guarantee we would be one of those 3 teams

but san jose wont contend anytime soon... is it possible they want to cut some costs with covid? could we find a trade that makes sense? is he the missing ingredient that makes us a cup contender?

my trade suggestion would include
brandon carlo

both are right shot dmen... so we are upgrading now. we are adding a krug replacement for the pp.

and id want to stick them with
john moore

we need to make the cap work... burns is a 5 year deal... moore just a 3 year deal.

basically I think keeping carlo/moore will be around a 6-7 mill cap hit
burns and a kid like vaakanainen will be around a 9 mill... so we are adding some cost but is the improvement worth it?

could we throw in someone like Bjork and convince san jose to retain a million?

honestly... id probably rather have oel… but if that cant happen, id gladly settle for burns. getting ourselves a 23-24 min per night stud is a missing ingredient for us imho. our window to win doesnt last 5 years anyhow. im not too worried about burns being a cap drag 4-5 years from now.

if I can get 3 years of him as a 40-60 point 23 min a night top pair dman to compliment McAvoy I take that and run

Yikes

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

He would waive for a few teams i would guess, but start with Dallas

Knowing Bruins history trading a star players...
Which package of expiring UFAs and JAG's will we get ?

 

[PlayMakers]

I fully expect this team to get absolutely bullied next year. Especially without Z. Who will people have to answer to?

They need a new Lone Wolff.

 

[sarge88]

Absolutely. Let’s get older, worse and more expensive

If Carlo marches his offensive output from last year, it will take him nearly 7 years to score as many points as Burns in the last two.

Burns makes them better for the next 2-3....which matches the Bergeron, Rask, Krejci window, more or less.

I’m not saying Carlo is not valuable, but in 2023 and beyond, he’s still only a complementary piece...not a difference maker.

Burns would still be a difference maker for at least the next 2.

 

[bbfan419]

One possible move I would like to see happen is:
Patches and Martinez from Vegas to us for
DK , Moore and Vaak.
Vegas was looking for cap space and they get it after this upcoming season is over.
We have cap space next year when DK is off the books, basically a wash with what Patches is making.
I think Patches would get 25-30 goals for us, great add for the second line.
The move would mean Stud gets to play Center and move CC up to the second line.
AM sures up our LH dee we need for this season.
We dump Moore's contract.
It hurt's giving up Vaak but it would be worth it.

I don't want Patches on the Bruins, never liked that guy, rather try for Tuch he is exactly the type of young forward we need.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

If Carlo marches his offensive output from last year, it will take him nearly 7 years to score as many points as Burns in the last two.

Burns makes them better for the next 2-3....which matches the Bergeron, Rask, Krejci window, more or less.

I’m not saying Carlo is not valuable, but in 2023 and beyond, he’s still only a complementary piece...not a difference maker.

Burns would still be a difference maker for at least the next 2.

Honest question: do you think we are a Burns a way from winning the cup?

Additional, statistically speaking with age trends, do you think the Bruins players are going to be the exception?

Riding the Bergeron and Krejci 1-2 duo as long as we have has been good for the team, but eventually the declines gonna set in, and likely fast. Adding yet another 35 year old to that, seems like we are just asking for trouble. On top of the cost to aquire Burns? Don't see that going well in our favor.

Rask and Krejci are UFA at the end of the season, and it's probably not in the teams long term best interest to re-up either (or at worst, both) of them. Team already has the issue if not having enough cap space to acquire younger talent in their prime.

 

[sarge88]

Honest question: do you think we are a Burns a way from winning the cup?

Additional, statistically speaking with age trends, do you think the Bruins players are going to be the exception?

Riding the Bergeron and Krejci 1-2 duo as long as we have has been good for the team, but eventually the declines gonna set in, and likely fast. Adding yet another 35 year old to that, seems like we are just asking for trouble. On top of the cost to aquire Burns? Don't see that going well in our favor.

Rask and Krejci are UFA at the end of the season, and it's probably not in the teams long term best interest to re-up either (or at worst, both) of them. Team already has the issue if not having enough cap space to acquire younger talent in their prime.

I think the Bruins like a lot of team are in the mix to win the cup next year if they can make another move or two and certain things go their way. There are no guarantees, as we all know in any sport.

Personally, I'm looking at it this way ----

I feel that it is extremely likely that their best chance to win a cup in the next 10 years is during the next two seasons. Based on that, I don't mind giving up a Carlo for a Burns because Burns is a much better player, even if it's only for another year or two.

I'm not worried that Carlo is going to carry anyone to a cup 5 years from now. He's a good, solid complementary piece. Even at 35 Burns can be a difference maker and for this team, as he'd fill a pretty big need.

I'm compartmentalizing this team into two different sections: The cup worthy team of the next 2 years and the team beyond that. I'm not worried about the team beyond 2022 because everything is so uncertain. I don't know if Studnicka, Beecher, and their other prospects are going to be difference makers, JAG's or something in between.

I know Sweeney can't always think and work from that perspective but for me, they need to look at the next 2 years as all or nothing.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

I think the Bruins like a lot of team are in the mix to win the cup next year if they can make another move or two and certain things go their way. There are no guarantees, as we all know in any sport.

Personally, I'm looking at it this way ----

I feel that it is extremely likely that their best chance to win a cup in the next 10 years is during the next two seasons. Based on that, I don't mind giving up a Carlo for a Burns because Burns is a much better player, even if it's only for another year or two.

I'm not worried that Carlo is going to carry anyone to a cup 5 years from now. He's a good, solid complementary piece. Even at 35 Burns can be a difference maker and for this team, as he'd fill a pretty big need.

I'm compartmentalizing this team into two different sections: The cup worthy team of the next 2 years and the team beyond that. I'm not worried about the team beyond 2022 because everything is so uncertain. I don't know if Studnicka, Beecher, and their other prospects are going to be difference makers, JAG's or something in between.

I know Sweeney can't always think and work from that perspective but for me, they need to look at the next 2 years as all or nothing.

Thanks for the response.

I'll agree to disagree.

I've said this before in other posts, but I think the Bergeron-Krejci blueprint for the cup has expired. We got to the cup finals in 2019, had a great 2020 season, but ultimately wasn't enough to overcome a better built TB. In the history of cup winners, how many teams top two centers were 35 and older?

I don't think Burns will push the team over that threshold, as there's too many other holes to fill and not enough cap space (especially if we are suggesting bringing in someone with Burns cap hit).

The supporting cast will be weaker and many of those high paid core guys we are hoping have enough steam to carry the lack of depth. Bruins were literally a 1 line offensive team during the playoffs. With Krejci showing up in about half of the games.

Carlo's far from untouchable, but if we move him, I'd fully expect to get someone that's in or approaching their prime, instead of exiting it.

 

[sarge88]

Thanks for the response.

I'll agree to disagree.

I've said this before in other posts, but I think the Bergeron-Krejci blueprint for the cup has expired. We got to the cup finals in 2019, had a great 2020 season, but ultimately wasn't enough to overcome a better built TB. In the history of cup winners, how many teams top two centers were 35 and older?

I don't think Burns will push the team over that threshold, as there's too many other holes to fill and not enough cap space (especially if we are suggesting bringing in someone with Burns cap hit).

The supporting cast will be weaker and many of those high paid core guys we are hoping have enough steam to carry the lack of depth. Bruins were literally a 1 line offensive team during the playoffs. With Krejci showing up in about half of the games.

Carlo's far from untouchable, but if we move him, I'd fully expect to get someone that's in or approaching their prime, instead of exiting it.

I see that side as well.

The only problem/concern I have with it is this:

If they don't go all in for the next 2 years they might as well just sell off Krejci, Bergeron, Rask and maybe even Marchand now. The bigger issue with that plan is two fold. First, if that was the plan, I think it would already be in motion. Because it hasn't been started, it seems like their best bet now is to roll the dice and try to win it all soon.

Second, with the financial uncertainty a lot of teams have due to Covid, I'm not sure what they can get in return for those players would be good enough to spur a rebuild.

There aren't a lot of teams that I can think of that have the space to take on 6+ million dollar contracts and have and would be willing to give the assets to make trading them worthwhile.