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Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Entry Draft Thread

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Rekingsfan17 said:
Looking at Capfriendly it looks like the Devils, Senators, Hurricanes, and Lightning all potentially have two first-round picks;

The Devils have their own and the Coyote's (unless it is a top-3 then it rolls over to a 2021 pick).
Devils = lottery pick, Coyotes = probable non-lottery pick.

The Senators have their own and the Shark's (no longer conditional).
Both are lottery picks.

The Hurricanes have their own and the Leaf's (unless it's a top 10 then it rolls over to a 2021 pick).
Probably one lottery pick and one probable non-lottery pick

The Lightning have their own and the Nucks (Unless the Nuck's miss the playoffs it rolls to a 2021 pick).
Both are probable non-lottery picks.

I like the conditional roll over to 2021 because that is supposed to be a deep draft as well and then it looks like you lose the conditions that applied in 2020.

I hope the Kings can figure out how to get another first-rounder even if it has a condition that rolls over to a 2021 pick.

If the Kings somehow won the 1st or 2nd pick in the lottery and one of these teams offered to trade you both of their first-rounders do you do it ....... or not?
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I'd consider the Ottawa/San Jose, depending where the picks are.
 
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Rekingsfan17 said:
Looking at Capfriendly it looks like the Devils, Senators, Hurricanes, and Lightning all potentially have two first-round picks;

The Devils have their own and the Coyote's (unless it is a top-3 then it rolls over to a 2021 pick).
Devils = lottery pick, Coyotes = probable non-lottery pick.

The Senators have their own and the Shark's (no longer conditional).
Both are lottery picks.

The Hurricanes have their own and the Leaf's (unless it's a top 10 then it rolls over to a 2021 pick).
Probably one lottery pick and one probable non-lottery pick

The Lightning have their own and the Nucks (Unless the Nuck's miss the playoffs it rolls to a 2021 pick).
Both are probable non-lottery picks.

I like the conditional roll over to 2021 because that is supposed to be a deep draft as well and then it looks like you lose the conditions that applied in 2020.

I hope the Kings can figure out how to get another first-rounder even if it has a condition that rolls over to a 2021 pick.

If the Kings somehow won the 1st or 2nd pick in the lottery and one of these teams offered to trade you both of their first-rounders do you do it ....... or not?
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Never trade the #1 or #2 if they are as elite as those guys. Your chances of getting similar value in return are small.
 
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Rekingsfan17 said:
Looking at Capfriendly it looks like the Devils, Senators, Hurricanes, and Lightning all potentially have two first-round picks;

The Devils have their own and the Coyote's (unless it is a top-3 then it rolls over to a 2021 pick).
Devils = lottery pick, Coyotes = probable non-lottery pick.

The Senators have their own and the Shark's (no longer conditional).
Both are lottery picks.

The Hurricanes have their own and the Leaf's (unless it's a top 10 then it rolls over to a 2021 pick).
Probably one lottery pick and one probable non-lottery pick

The Lightning have their own and the Nucks (Unless the Nuck's miss the playoffs it rolls to a 2021 pick).
Both are probable non-lottery picks.

I like the conditional roll over to 2021 because that is supposed to be a deep draft as well and then it looks like you lose the conditions that applied in 2020.

I hope the Kings can figure out how to get another first-rounder even if it has a condition that rolls over to a 2021 pick.

If the Kings somehow won the 1st or 2nd pick in the lottery and one of these teams offered to trade you both of their first-rounders do you do it ....... or not?
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For me it would probably be a pretty easy choice. If we are lucky enough to actually win the lottery, then you walk up to the podium with a s**t-eating grin and you pick Alexis and call it a day. If we ended up with #2 I would consider moving it for two firsts if I liked the projected prospects enough.
 
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So if the Kings lose out on Lafreniere and are picking 2nd somehow, go with Byfield, Rossi, or Stutzle? (Drysdale and Raymond...not so much. Unless they truly believe Drysdale can be 85% of what Makar is)

So:

Lafreniere > than any King prospect (or current player on team!)

Byfield ? > Turcotte, Vilardi, Kaliyev?
Stutzle ? > Turcotte, Vilardi, Kaliyev?
Rossi ? > Turcotte, Vilardi, Kaliyev?

Watched Stutzle and Byfield in WJC. I watched the Prospects game on NHL HD last week and saw Rossi and Byfield.
Hard to say. Was not overly impressed by Byfield. But he did not get a ton of playing time on WJC games.
Was impressed with Stutzle, on limited viewing. Was impressed by Rossi in prospects game. Sick skills and great skating.

How do these 3 compare to what the Kings have with Turcotte, Vilardi and Kaliyev? (have high hopes for Fagemo and reasonably high hopes for Kupari too)
I'd be happy to add any of the above 4, but Kings really need Lafreniere.
 
@Peter James Bond II As of Jan 20, The Kings sit tied for 2nd to last with 41 points. Unless Detroit catches fire (1% possible?) then we probably will remain in the top 5 for lottery balls.

SJ - 46 points
Anaheim - 43
Ottawa - 42 points
NJ - 41 points
LA - 41 points
Detroit - 28 points

(although we are at 50 games played - all but Detroit have 48 games played)

It all comes down to the balls for Lafreniere.
 
Peter James Bond II said:
So if the Kings lose out on Lafreniere and are picking 2nd somehow, go with Byfield, Rossi, or Stutzle? (Drysdale and Raymond...not so much. Unless they truly believe Drysdale can be 85% of what Makar is)

So:

Lafreniere > than any King prospect (or current player on team!)

Byfield ? > Turcotte, Vilardi, Kaliyev?
Stutzle ? > Turcotte, Vilardi, Kaliyev?
Rossi ? > Turcotte, Vilardi, Kaliyev?

Watched Stutzle and Byfield in WJC. I watched the Prospects game on NHL HD last week and saw Rossi and Byfield.
Hard to say. Was not overly impressed by Byfield. But he did not get a ton of playing time on WJC games.
Was impressed with Stutzle, on limited viewing. Was impressed by Rossi in prospects game. Sick skills and great skating.

How do these 3 compare to what the Kings have with Turcotte, Vilardi and Kaliyev? (have high hopes for Fagemo and reasonably high hopes for Kupari too)
I'd be happy to add any of the above 4, but Kings really need Lafreniere.
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I'm going to be watching more of these players, especially as I'm going to start contributing 2020 NHL Draft articles to MayorsManor. I was initially going to start posting them right after the WJC, but John and I decided to wait until after the Kings prospect rankings get released before we start publishing them.

Byfield is a real wildcard, because he's been underwhelming compared to expectations when matched up against premier competition (WJC and CHL Top Prospects game). But when you watch him and get a look at his overall body of work, he is a complete package of size, skill, and skating.

Stutzle I simply need to see more of. He's very highly skilled and was among the best Germans in the WJC. Unfortunately, as I was watching Kings prospects more, there were times I missed his game simply due to coverage.

Rossi is an incredible player and quite a phenomenon. The puck always finds him, and while he's smaller, he's extremely hard to knock off the puck.

As far as how they all compare to current Kings prospects, I'm still trying to make my own list on how they compare to each other, so I can't answer.

I do think you're selling Drysdale and Raymond short, as they are both great in their own right. Drysdale has very good two-way instincts, but sometimes gets mental lapses defensively. Just as an example, during the Top Prospects game, he made a great pokecheck on a player breaking in from the wing, but then stood in no man's land as the player recovered the puck and passed it to an open man who scored. Lucas Raymond is an electrifying player and very creative offensively.

There are also the high end goal scorers like Alexander Holtz and Cole Perfetti.

Not saying I have a preference of who should go where yet, but there's a lot of talent to talk about.
 
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King'sPawn said:
I do think you're selling Drysdale and Raymond short, as they are both great in their own right. Drysdale has very good two-way instincts, but sometimes gets mental lapses defensively. Just as an example, during the Top Prospects game, he made a great pokecheck on a player breaking in from the wing, but then stood in no man's land as the player recovered the puck and passed it to an open man who scored. Lucas Raymond is an electrifying player and very creative offensively.

There are also the high end goal scorers like Alexander Holtz and Cole Perfetti.

Not saying I have a preference of who should go where yet, but there's a lot of talent to talk about.
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Thanks and I look forward to the Mayor's rankings. After seeing the honorable mentions, I'm not sure how the top 10 will shake out....seems like there's about 15 to cram in there (after seeing the honorable mentions)
I don't mean to sell anyone short and know Drysdale and Raymond are top talents. Drysdale is just so small and looks like Jack Hughes' build and the Kings already have a smallish D corps. But you don't pass up a possible #1 D, for being on the small side. I see a lot of Makar here 6 miles from me and he's astounding...he's not so big. The Kings could always move out a smallish defenseman and get more size. Moverare and Brickley could still yet make it. Brickley is back with the Reign now and heard he's looked good.

Forgot about Perfetti and saw him in the prospects game. I did not know it was on NHL HD and I was lucky to turn on the TV and see it! It was about 15 mins into the 1st period and saw from that point.
Perfetti did look quick and skilled. I agree about Rossi. He's going to be great. I'd have no problem with him being a King. Raymond and Holtz - saw them in the WJC and they both looked good. I imagine they will have bigger roles next yr, at the WJC....Lundell is still a top player and forgotten.
 
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Cool, we won the lottery...

  1. Los Angeles Kings - Alexis Lafrenière
  • The Los Angeles Kings win the lottery and the right to select Alexis Lafrenière, scoring star for Rimouski of the QMJHL and the reigning CHL Player of the Year, in addition to the IIHF World Juniors MVP. An already loaded farm system gets that much better. The Kings get an immediate impact player who can help turn the franchise around. The dynamic left winger is one part power, two parts skill. He plays the game hard and is extremely physical in pursuit of the puck. However, he possesses elite hands and is equal parts playmaker and goal scorer. It will be great for the NHL to get a marketable young player back in LA and is sure to bring out the conspiracy theorists should the Kings truly win the lottery.
  • 2nd round: 34. Los Angeles Kings - Michael Benning
  • The LA Kings system is stacked, however one thing that they might be missing is an elite offensive defender. Insert them taking a chance on Denver commit Michael Benning, who is destroying the AJHL in a similar way to Cale Makar. This is higher than many scouting agencies have Benning right now (including us), but NHL teams love taking a chance on high upside players like Benning in the first half of the second round
2020 NHL DRAFT: MID-SEASON MOCK DRAFT
 
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The Kings won't win the lottery. They most likely are going to be picking around #4 or #5. It isn't even worth the energy to hope otherwise because it won't happen. That said, they will get a great prospect there and I hope that it is Drysdale because they have next to nothing in terms of a potential #1 Defenseman and they aren't going to get endless Top 5 shots in the draft. I don't care that he isn't a big guy. His skillset is fantastic and it's universal that he has the potential:

Jamie Drysdale | Jamie Drysdale Profile | Jamie Drysdale Scouting Report 2020
 
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SlimCharles said:
For me it would probably be a pretty easy choice. If we are lucky enough to actually win the lottery, then you walk up to the podium with a s**t-eating grin and you pick Alexis and call it a day. If we ended up with #2 I would consider moving it for two firsts if I liked the projected prospects enough.
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especially if it is like the 4th and 5th from Ottawa.
 
kovacro said:
Cool, we won the lottery...

  1. Los Angeles Kings - Alexis Lafrenière
  • The Los Angeles Kings win the lottery and the right to select Alexis Lafrenière, scoring star for Rimouski of the QMJHL and the reigning CHL Player of the Year, in addition to the IIHF World Juniors MVP. An already loaded farm system gets that much better. The Kings get an immediate impact player who can help turn the franchise around. The dynamic left winger is one part power, two parts skill. He plays the game hard and is extremely physical in pursuit of the puck. However, he possesses elite hands and is equal parts playmaker and goal scorer. It will be great for the NHL to get a marketable young player back in LA and is sure to bring out the conspiracy theorists should the Kings truly win the lottery.
  • 2nd round: 34. Los Angeles Kings - Michael Benning
  • The LA Kings system is stacked, however one thing that they might be missing is an elite offensive defender. Insert them taking a chance on Denver commit Michael Benning, who is destroying the AJHL in a similar way to Cale Makar. This is higher than many scouting agencies have Benning right now (including us), but NHL teams love taking a chance on high upside players like Benning in the first half of the second round
2020 NHL DRAFT: MID-SEASON MOCK DRAFT
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Rossi going 6 is shocking.
 
I’m no draft guru, but from watching the WJCs, none of the lottery type players look like they could step in next year and make an immediate impact like a Matthews or Laine. I think this years pick is going to follow the normal path and take 4-6 years before they start playing top minutes at the NHL level.
 
DoktorJeep said:
I’m no draft guru, but from watching the WJCs, none of the lottery type players look like they could step in next year and make an immediate impact like a Matthews or Laine. I think this years pick is going to follow the normal path and take 4-6 years before they start playing top minutes at the NHL level.
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depends on the pick. I think Laf will step in however Byfield won't but remember he is a year younger.
 
DoktorJeep said:
I’m no draft guru, but from watching the WJCs, none of the lottery type players look like they could step in next year and make an immediate impact like a Matthews or Laine. I think this years pick is going to follow the normal path and take 4-6 years before they start playing top minutes at the NHL level.
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The WJC heavily favors D+1 and D+2 players.

There are three major international tournaments draft eligible players compete in:

Hlinka Gretzky - Conducted at the beginning of the year, and it only allows players who are 18 and under as of December 31, [year of competition]. So this year, the 2019 Hlinka Gretzky only allowed players born after Dec 31, 2001. Lafreniere did not compete this year, as he was born in October. Rossi did not compete because Austria is not a participant.

WJC U20 - Conducted the day after Christmas > shortly after Near Year. This has all players who are under 20 as of December 31, [year of competition]. Thomas was 20 years old when he scored the gold medal-winning goal. If he was born three days earlier, he wouldn't have been eligible. Not too many first year draft eligibles make it here due to the more physically developed and skilled players. Rossi did not compete in this tournament, as Austria was relegated to one division below (though Austria DID compete earlier in the year, and per Rossi, he was told by his agent not to participate, which is weird, but I'm digressing).

WJC U18 - Conducted near the end of the hockey season (this year, it begins on Thursday, April 16). I *believe* the restrictions are the same as Hlinka Gretzky, so even though it's in April, you'll still see players who already turned 18, even though it's called the Under-18 WJC. Either way, you'll see a larger chunk of draft eligibles (as well as some future drafts) participate.

Keep in mind there are other tournaments, but are more locally focused. For example, there's the CHL Top Prospects game, which features only draft eligibles, and they are only drawn from the CHL (which includes the OHL, WHL, and QMJHL).

These tournaments also have some context which need to be added:
Canada typically does better in the Hlinka Gretzky Cup, as they draw from a very large pool of draft eligible players. The United States typically does NOT send players from the US National Team Development Program. They'll send eligible Americans from other leagues, so Alex Turcotte, Cole Caufield, Jack Hughes, etc don't attend this early season tournament.

The United States typically does better in the U18. Because of the timing in the tournament, Canada sometimes has a lot of their players still playing in the playoffs. Conversely, as the US NTDP has spent all season playing together against college and USHL teams, Team USA will send that team to the U18 (so players like Arthur Kaliyev, Nick Robertson, etc do NOT attend this tournament). Players like Jack Hughes, Alex Turcotte, Cole Caufield participated in this one.

There are a lot of reasons, aside from small sample size, that these tournaments can't be independently used to scout and determine readiness. It certainly provides important information, but to assume no player will step in and make an impact right away based off one tournament is faulty.
 
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I'm already content that we are not getting Laf. Detroit who's so freakin awful will be awarded the prized Prospect and we're screwed again. Athough the draft is not what it use to be I think Detroit will still be gifted the 1st overall. This franchise need a player like Lafreniere in the worst way.
 
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Peter James Bond II said:
But who hyphens their first names? first-middle names?
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It's extremely common in Germany – pretty much standard. However, to see that being done with two English names, coupled with a Slovak/Czech surname, creates a weird effect. He refers to himself as "JJ" and says his (German) parents are "big hockey and USA fans" who therefore gave all of their kids English names. His sister is Tiffany and his brother is Jack – well, perhaps he's John-Jason to differentiate him from Jack, which (of course) is John, too? :huh:
 
YP44 said:
Someone tell me why I should be excited about Perfetti (other than the awesome last name) and Rossi as there is no way LA is winning a lotto spot.
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Rossi employed the same skating coach, in Phoenix, as Auston Matthews. The Swiss connection, somehow, from back when Matthews played a season in Switzerland, while Rossi is from the western-most corner of Austria, practically on the border with Switzerland, and he used to play in the Swiss junior league. His father was a hockey defenseman.

Also, Germans and Austrians are weird in that they call hockey players "cracks", even in official mainstream media news coverage. :huh:
 
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