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Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Entry Draft Thread

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The NHL is getting raked over the coals for their botched draft lottery. Seriously, they gave a team a chance to win the cup and the top pick in just under a half and hour.
 
kingsfan28 said:
The NHL is getting raked over the coals for their botched draft lottery. Seriously, they gave a team a chance to win the cup and the top pick in just under a half and hour.
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Yeah, the fair thing would be to let the bottom 16 teams all get a chance to participate in the play-in round....makes about as much sense as allowing all of those teams a chance at the #1 pick.
 
kingsfan28 said:
The NHL is getting raked over the coals for their botched draft lottery. Seriously, they gave a team a chance to win the cup and the top pick in just under a half and hour.
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Except it's one or the other. You can't make the playoffs and win the #1 pick. It's one or the other that you have an actual chance at happening.
 
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regulate said:
Except it's one or the other. You can't make the playoffs and win the #1 pick. It's one or the other that you have an actual chance at happening.
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Amazing how folks don't get this. They can't play the rest of the regular season, so the bubble teams have a 5 game play in round instead of the last 15 or so to get in or out. Those that missed out would have had lottery chances, and one of them got lucky. No big deal at all.
 
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regulate said:
Except it's one or the other. You can't make the playoffs and win the #1 pick. It's one or the other that you have an actual chance at happening.
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I see it as the same. It's the playoffs anyway you want to call it, no matter what clever catchword the nhl wants to describe the early round. You're in the playoffs [ the 16 teams] to win the cup and could do it. If you get eliminated early, your loser prize is a chance at the top pick. Just imagine if say Tampa or the Blues were one of the 5 seeds, lost in the round and then won the top pick. Seems fair, right?
 
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I see it as the same. It's the playoffs anyway you want to call it, no matter what clever catchword the nhl wants to describe the early round. You're in the playoffs [ the 16 teams] to win the cup and could do it. If you get eliminated early, your loser prize is a chance at the top pick. Just imagine if say Tampa or the Blues were one of the 5 seeds, lost in the round and then won the top pick. Seems fair, right?
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Tampa Bay get swept in the first round? Never.
 
Bandit said:
Technically the Rangers can win both.
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Pretty sure
Feb 24, 2020
New York Rangers Acquire:
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2020 conditional 1st round pick* (CAR - #21)
*Conditions: NY Rangers will receive the later (or lower) of either the Carolina or Toronto 2020 1st round picks
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Bandit said:
Technically the Rangers can win both.
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As I understand it, it's not possible.

Carolina owes them a first round pick for the Brady Skjei selection. The agreement is that the Rangers receive the lesser of Carolina's 1st or Toronto's 1st. Toronto's 1st is top 10 protected.

Technically the scenario would be:

- Carolina loses its play in series and wins the lottery
- Toronto loses its play in series and ends up in the top 10

But for Toronto's pick to be in the top 10:
- They win the lottery, but then Carolina sends its own first to the Rangers.
OR
- They lose their play in series, but there are 5 other teams with better win percentage to also lose in the opening round. This isn't possible since there's only four clubs (EDM/NYI/CAR/PIT) in the qualifying round who had a better win percentage.
 
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The only thing the NHL really screwed up was doing this lottery prior to the actual play-in round. Why do that? Even though each placeholder team had a small chance of winning, collectively that chance was very large. If those placeholder teams were actual teams and this was being held after the play-in, we’d be saying “wow I can’t believe the Wild (or whomever) won with only 5% odds”.
 
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kilowatt said:
The only thing the NHL really screwed up was doing this lottery prior to the actual play-in round. Why do that? Even though each placeholder team had a small chance of winning, collectively that chance was very large. If those placeholder teams were actual teams and this was being held after the play-in, we’d be saying “wow I can’t believe the Wild (or whomever) won with only 5% odds”.
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The winning spot was the Winnipeg pick
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Doughty is a key player next year for better or worse.

If him and Kopitar can channel 2018, the support around them should be growing. No reason they can't be at least a bubble team, especially with Roy and Walker emerging as serious two-way options. If he doesn't pull it together, it doesn't matter if it's aging, a lack of effort, a lack of fitness, or whatever, his minutes pretty much dictate how the team goes. If he doesn't play well, neither does the team, and vice versa...and in good times and bad it's been that way since about 2010. It's why people outside this forum mistake him for a passenger when he's actually the engine, and the last couple of years the engine has been sputtering.

He needs to realize, even if he doesn't return to form as a player, that he needs to round into form as a mentor, as there are now kids playing who looked up to him as a role model.

I can understand if the inspiration wasn't there with Willie D and to a lesser degree this last year (with a kid, etc.), but moving forward, he can't pretend the team isn't taking things seriously. He has to lay himself on the line and stop avoiding contact and effort.
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I'm sure that fat check he's cashing and the cup he's hoisted isn't helping his self starting initiative. He's just not the same guy
 
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Hes not the same guy because he hates to lose and the club has not been actively trying to win since Stevens was fired and theyve told him as such. Put a guy like him in a position where the club isnt giving the team the tools to win and eventually he has to deal with the constant losing somehow.

The guys a competitor and an elite one at that. Show him that the clubs ready to win again, give him the prospects and let him play with Bjornfoot who he loves and he'll be more motivated than ever once he gets an opportunity to win again.
 
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Cook24 said:
Just for funzies...

Kings trade #2 overall and two of their second round picks for the #1 overall...

would you consider this?
Would team with #1 consider this?
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What are two 2nd's to not take Lafreniere? For the Kings, sure. For whoever is picking #1, no.

Want to throw in Turcotte, or even Vilardi, with the #2, then maybe there's something to build on. Still probably not though, but it would need to be better than a couple picks in the 2nd round. Those are valuable in relation to playoff rentals, but we're talking about what is supposed to be the best 18 year old available. That's probably at least a decade of top line hockey, if not more.
 
kilowatt said:
The only thing the NHL really screwed up was doing this lottery prior to the actual play-in round. Why do that? Even though each placeholder team had a small chance of winning, collectively that chance was very large. If those placeholder teams were actual teams and this was being held after the play-in, we’d be saying “wow I can’t believe the Wild (or whomever) won with only 5% odds”.
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That or they could have weighted the 8 spots by points%, so that MTL doesn't have the same chance to win as EDM should they get beat. You get the idea.
 
regulate said:
Except it's one or the other. You can't make the playoffs and win the #1 pick. It's one or the other that you have an actual chance at happening.
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The only problem I have is that the losing teams in the play in round all have an equal chance at the #1. Pretty silly when some teams in that group will obiously have better records than other teams.
 
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I keep hearing people on podcasts around the league using the Kings center depth as a reason they will take Stutzle, what part of "take the best player available" are they missing? Now if they like Stutzle more, then go for it, but having half a dozen potential middle six centers and maybe one #1 (Vilardi) isn't a reason to pass on a guy that many profile as that elite #1.
 
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