Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft Part 2

[Goose of Reason]

His ceiling is Pastrnak imo. Holtz is an awesome playmaker but when you can shoot the puck like him you'll defer to that if you get an opening.

 

[Paul4587]

I see a lot of Joffrey Lupul in him. I think that’s a realistic projection as to where he ends up.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Lupul had a bad work ethic, partying it up when rehabing an injury which then causes him to get an infection. Did Lupul have the motor and work ethic like Holtz ?
If Holtz is Lupul, then Rossi is Roy & Sexton.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

5kg is a bit more than 10 pounds. And he starts to play today and in a larger role.

I'm really upset it is happening like this as I hoped us to get him, but very realistic he will start turning some heads now. Or not. Who knows.

Raymond looks like he could go #4 or #5 in this draft, based on raw talent he's a top4 guy. Definitely has alot of goal scoring potential with his hard quick release shot as well as being the 2nd or 3rd fastest skater after Stutzle & Byfield. He would make the Ducks faster and be a good trigger man for Zegras. I just hope one of Ottawa or Detroit lays an egg and drafts a D instead of Raymond.

 

[Paul4587]

Lupul had a bad work ethic, partying it up when rehabing an injury which then causes him to get an infection. Did Lupul have the motor and work ethic like Holtz ?
If Holtz is Lupul, then Rossi is Roy & Sexton.

The boldest is a ridiculous statement. You seem to think the comparison to Lupul who was a very good NHLer is some kind of insult.

Lupuls work ethic in his later career was very good also FWIW. And the comparison is because they play very similar games (both have high end shots and hands with good playmaking ability but are questionable defensively and aren’t great skaters) and the upside is similar.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Holtz = Kyle Connor

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Holtz = Kyle Connor

Does holtz have Connors speed, because connors biggest assert is his speed

 

[bsu]

Does holtz have Connors speed, because connors biggest assert is his speed

No

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

No

Didn’t think so seemed like an odd comparison

 

[WhatTheDuck]

The boldest is a ridiculous statement. You seem to think the comparison to Lupul who was a very good NHLer is some kind of insult.

Lupuls work ethic in his later career was very good also FWIW. And the comparison is because they play very similar games (both have high end shots and hands with good playmaking ability but are questionable defensively and aren’t great skaters) and the upside is similar.

Not sure what it is about Holtz that seems to draw these odd defensive reactions. If he ends up being Lupul without the injury issues (ie consistent 20+ goal 50+ point threat getting up around the point per game mark in his best year) that's a pretty nice 1st round pick for someone especially outside the top 5. Nothing about that comparison should cause one to starting equating Rossi to career minor leaguers.

 

[AngelDuck]

I would be stunned if Holtz became a player like Connor

Connor is one of the most athletic players in the league in terms of agility and speed.

 

[Static]

I'll be honest, if lupul is who we get picking at 6 I'll be pretty bummed. He was a productive player, but of every team he was ever a part of he was never regarded as a core piece. At 6, I want a core piece.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I'll be honest, if lupul is who we get picking at 6 I'll be pretty bummed. He was a productive player, but of every team he was ever a part of he was never regarded as a core piece. At 6, I want a core piece.

Definitely hoping for a first line/pairing guy or better. But generally speaking (and this probably all goes without saying), if you draft a player (outside the top 3-5) who manages to become one of your top 5 or 6 best forwards, or top 3 or 4 defenseman while they're still young and cheap - you've done well with that pick. Maybe not as well as you were hoping, but a lot better than the handful of first rounders who will become nothing.

Also I don't think Lupul was being suggested as a ceiling but rather a realistic expectation, which seems completely fair and not a statement that should have caused much of a reaction.

 

[Static]

Definitely hoping for a first line/pairing guy or better. But generally speaking (and this probably all goes without saying), if you draft a player (outside the top 3-5) who manages to become one of your top 5 or 6 best forwards, or top 3 or 4 defenseman while they're still young and cheap - you've done well with that pick. Maybe not as well as you were hoping, but a lot better than the handful of first rounders who will become nothing.

Also I don't think Lupul was being suggested as a ceiling but rather a realistic expectation, which seems completely fair and not a statement that should have caused much of a reaction.

I think lupul is akin to a bad word on this board considering what he could have been and what he became. His biggest contribution to us was bringing in pronger, but that four goal game was also pretty cool.

Also kind of weird is that what he became wasn't even with us, we just saw it from afar. Still a bummer.

 

[FiveTacos]

I think lupul is akin to a bad word on this board considering what he could have been and what he became. His biggest contribution to us was bringing in pronger, but that four goal game was also pretty cool.

Also kind of weird is that what he became wasn't even with us, we just saw it from afar. Still a bummer.

I'm 100% good with how the Lupul pick turned out. When you look at the guys taken after him, it's not as if anyone who was a realistic consideration for that draft spot was one of those "oh my god we could have had that franchise cornerstone guy instead," picks.

Always wonder what he could have been with a superstar playmaker on his line though ... maybe a 35 goal guy with a guy like prime Adam Oates? Problem is even if that happened you'd probably be looking to replace him with a guy who could get you 50 on that line instead.

It's kind of like the year we got Salei and Cullen ... nothing overwhelming as individual picks, until you look at the crap that was mostly available. There were maybe 6-8 decent players in the first two rounds of that draft, and we got two of them.

 

[Static]

I'm 100% good with how the Lupul pick turned out. When you look at the guys taken after him, it's not as if anyone who was a realistic consideration for that draft spot was one of those "oh my god we could have had that franchise cornerstone guy instead," picks.

Always wonder what he could have been with a superstar playmaker on his line though ... maybe a 35 goal guy with a guy like prime Adam Oates? Problem is even if that happened you'd probably be looking to replace him with a guy who could get you 50 on that line instead.

It's kind of like the year we got Salei and Cullen ... nothing overwhelming as individual picks, until you look at the crap that was mostly available. There were maybe 6-8 decent players in the first two rounds of that draft, and we got two of them.

It's not really about getting another player, just what he could have gotten out of his talent. There was a lot more there, which started to come out when he got his head on straight later in his career, but the body broke down by then.

 

[Kalv]

How does Rossi compare to Andy McDonald?

 

[Static]

How does Rossi compare to Andy McDonald?

Much better defensively, not close to the skater andymac was.

Mac and Rossi play at completely different paces.

 

[Kalv]

I raised this question on mainboards but I wonder how does Drysdale compare to Provorov?
Both are great skaters and good to great offensively (but maybe lack that super talent offensively) and good to great defensively

Both ~PPG players in the CHL (Provorov had a better team, they got to WHL finals that year)
Both played minor roles in the WJC (Drysdale had 3 points to Provorovs 1, and were getting increased role during the tournament)

Provorov is 6`1 while Drysdale is 5`11

 

[bsu]

I raised this question on mainboards but I wonder how does Drysdale compare to Provorov?
Both are great skaters and good to great offensively (but maybe lack that super talent offensively) and good to great defensively

Both ~PPG players in the CHL (Provorov had a better team, they got to WHL finals that year)
Both played minor roles in the WJC (Drysdale had 3 points to Provorovs 1, and were getting increased role during the tournament)

Provorov is 6`1 while Drysdale is 5`11

Drysdale is not good to great defensively off the puck. Drysdale will project very similar to Fowler which isn't a bad thing but give me a forward.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

I think Drysdale is better in the offensive zone, but I remember when Fowler was a rookie and he seemed so dynamic and aggressive and full of offensive upside and it seemed like that got coached out of him

 

[Kalv]

Drysdale is not good to great defensively off the puck. Drysdale will project very similar to Fowler which isn't a bad thing but give me a forward.

I think he has been real good defensively. His speed and smarts allow him to play riskier but still get back to work. His role increased in the WJC`s and was playing more and more minutes there - looking solid against 19 year olds

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I see a lot of Scott Niedermayer in drysdales game.... I don’t think he has that upside but stylistically

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I think Drysdale is better in the offensive zone, but I remember when Fowler was a rookie and he seemed so dynamic and aggressive and full of offensive upside and it seemed like that got coached out of him

Rookie Fowler and Selanne had good chemistry when both were on the ice together, when Fowler went aggressive in the offensive zone Selanne had the wheels to keep up with him and i remember a handful of Fowler or Selanne goals came with both of them on a breakaway, it was so cool and i was a big Fowler fan back then.

Yeah they definitely coached offensive dynamicness out of him, instead of the Ducks letting Fowler be a modern Offensive Dman that is great offensively but bad defensively, they made him learn a more 2way game.
I honestly think he would be better now had they let him play to his strengths, he needed the 2020 coach Eakins back then.
Look at how Shea Theodore developed away from Anaheim, Carlyle/Murray would have made the kid learn a 2way game and his offensive potential would shrink.

 

[Kalv]

Rookie Fowler and Selanne had good chemistry when both were on the ice together, when Fowler went aggressive in the offensive zone Selanne had the wheels to keep up with him and i remember a handful of Fowler or Selanne goals came with both of them on a breakaway, it was so cool and i was a big Fowler fan back then.

Yeah they definitely coached offensive dynamicness out of him, instead of the Ducks letting Fowler be a modern Offensive Dman that is great offensively but bad defensively, they made him learn a more 2way game.
I honestly think he would be better now had they let him play to his strengths, he needed the 2020 coach Eakins back then.
Look at how Shea Theodore developed away from Anaheim, Carlyle/Murray would have made the kid learn a 2way game and his offensive potential would shrink.

Who needs defense anyway, right?

Defense is quite important as well.