Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft Part 2

[Rasp]

From the OCregister, Ducks focusing on center with the No. 9 pick in the NHL draft: GM Bob Murray would like to bolster the position rather than take a defenseman with the first of two first-round picks: (This was published on June 20, 2019, a day before the draft.)

“We need more centers,” Murray said, addressing his primary need in the first round. “You’re never wrong with centers because centers can always play the wing. Wingers can’t play center. It’s just the way it is. So you get centers who can play the wing.”​

“We’re hoping some guys will go before some other guys,” Murray said of landing a center who is capable of challenging for ice time next season. “We’re hoping for some breaks in there. We’re hoping two defensemen go in the first eight. That would help us tremendously.​

“If everyone (on the Ducks’ wish list) is gone, I could move back and get a bunch of other things. We believe in some people later. At nine, if any one of three guys is there we’re going with them. I need somebody to jump in there (in the Ducks’ lineup next season).”​

“I think it’ll be a forward,” Murray said of his top pick. “I’m hoping for a forward, a center, but some of these kids are centers and wingers. Some of them, again, they all prefer center. But at the end of the year, at 18, they end up playing the wing. They’re talented. This is a talented group.”​

There were 5 centers drafted in 2019 NHL draft when the Ducks took Zegras at 9th overall: 1st Hughes, 3rd Dach, 5th Turcotte, 7th Cozens, and Zegras. I think (just my opinion) the Ducks probably thought Dach, Turcotte, or Cozens might be there at 9th overall, but not Hughes or Zegras. Three defensemen went into the top-8: 4th Byram, 6th Seider, and 8th Broberg. Disclosure, I was high on Broberg until I heard Edmonton wanted him.

Im pretty sure there was a quote somewhere where he said that he didnt expect Zegras to be there. Dach, Turcotte & Cozens would have been our targets.

It does show that we still need that C even tho Zegras will hopefully step up next year. Rossi is likely to play NHL wherever he ends up.

 

[Boo Boo]

Im pretty sure there was a quote somewhere where he said that he didnt expect Zegras to be there. Dach, Turcotte & Cozens would have been our targets.

It does show that we still need that C even tho Zegras will hopefully step up next year. Rossi is likely to play NHL wherever he ends up.

That quote really leads me to believe we were targeting Dach. At least the part where Murray wanted someone who could challenge for ice time last year.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Its unlikely the Ducks will pick the smallest man in the 1st round given their history with Forwards. Maybe a small guy who's only 5'10 or 5'11 like Perfetti but a 5'9 center like Rossi sounds like someone the Ducks wouldn't believe lasts at Center at all.

How many 5'9 top line centers is there in the league ? & how many 5'9 top6 centers have mediocre average speed ? Chances are Rossi will move to the wing where he could be a top line skilled winger.

I think you might be right. I know Bob does want to get bigger and faster. Rossi doesn't fit that description, especially for a #1 center. But Rossi could be a very good #2 center a la Andy McDonald. The question is will Rossi be better than Steel to be #2 center? There's Lundestrom, who could play that shutdown 3C a la Pahlsson (or we all hope so). Rossi may swing to wing, but can play center in a pinch if injuries occur.

Rossi is a good prospect, but is he good at everything and a master of none the reason why he's dropping? Will that play project well to the NHL level? I guess it all depends on the organization. Our org like to draft where they could be in the future, usually.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

If it goes Laf/By/Stutz/Perfetti/Raymond

So Rossi the highest ranked forward left... some believe Rossi will be a #1C but I wouldnt bet on it at 6. IMO Ducks will have him behind Sanderson and maybe even behind Holtz and Drysdale.

One trend you can find in almost every Ducks draft is they like guys that are trending up in their development. Sanderson was already an elite skating/defending prospect but by the end of the season he really started to find ways to dominate in the offensive zone. Just a really high IQ player in all zones, does everything so naturally. He'd make a great defensive anchor to what would probably be the best American prospect pool in the league

Holtz was trending up as he jumped up to #2 for NHL Central Scouting EU in their last output.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

He says Holtz with Drysdale as backup but also says we have been really quiet

I'd be surprised if anyone has much inside info given that there has been no in person mingling alot of it has to be guessing

 

[Boo Boo]

I think you might be right. I know Bob does want to get bigger and faster. Rossi doesn't fit that description, especially for a #1 center. But Rossi could be a very good #2 center a la Andy McDonald. The question is will Rossi be better than Steel to be #2 center? There's Lundestrom, who could play that shutdown 3C a la Pahlsson (or we all hope so). Rossi may swing to wing, but can play center in a pinch if injuries occur.

Rossi is a good prospect, but is he good at everything and a master of none the reason why he's dropping? Will that play project well to the NHL level? I guess it all depends on the organization. Our org like to draft where they could be in the future, usually.

Rossi if anything seems more like a master of all type of player than a master of none. The weird combination of being slightly under 5''10 and being physically overdeveloped for his age are going to be held against him until he plays pro in north america but in my opinion if he hits he is going to hit big time.

for the record at our pick I think hes my guy but I hope he continues growing into his early 20s. There is something so appealing about having our high skill players also be the hardest workers on the team. It just feels like a recipe for success.

 

[bsu]

Rossi if anything seems more like a master of all type of player than a master of none. The weird combination of being slightly under 5''10 and being physically overdeveloped for his age are going to be held against him until he plays pro in north america but in my opinion if he hits he is going to hit big time.

for the record at our pick I think hes my guy but I hope he continues growing into his early 20s. There is something so appealing about having our high skill players also be the hardest workers on the team. It just feels like a recipe for success.

Rossi is the best puck protector and arguably the best playmaker in the draft.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

I know this isn’t a popular opinion but I’m on the holtz wagon. Hard working sniper with good size. I’ve always appealed to that kind of guy a very poor mans ovechkin like the deserts of Africa poor mans ovi but none the less that type of player

 

[Rasp]

Murray likes players that compete and work hard and Rossi may be the hardest worker in this draft.

If we really do want a C there isnt a choice other than Rossi. The only reason Rossi would be available to us is because of his size otherwise he would go in the top 3.

 

[Paul4587]

Holtz was trending up as he jumped up to #2 for NHL Central Scouting EU in their last output.

I think you'll find that him trending up is more the exception than the rule - if anything he's dropped since earlier in the season. In McKenzie's list he dropped from 6 in January to 9 in June and in Button's he dropped from 11 in January to 13 in his ranking in early April.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

as far as pronmans mock draft goes...

I really cant see Ott going Stutz + Raymond... i expect the 5th to be Drysdale(or sanderson) ... unless Ott trades down a little because they want sanderson/drysdale.

Rangers: Laf
Kings: Byfield
Ott: Stutz
Det: Perfetti
Ott: Drysdale
Ducks: Rossi

I guess the ideal situation for Ott, is the kings go Stutzle, and then Ott gets a Center + RHD to really finish off their young core. Granted i feel like you cant pass on Byfield at the 2 spot... his potential is just too great.

 

[Kalv]

Of course, this will not work against all the big pro's but still nice.
Rossi is growing on me more and more.

 

[FiveTacos]

I don't know anything about any of these prospects, and even if I did I'm no scout.

I will say though that it's how big you play, not how big you are. I'd take a Theo Fleury or a Doug Gilmour over a gentle giant every day. If a kid has that kind of fire in his belly, it doesn't matter.

 

[Kalv]

I don't know anything about any of these prospects, and even if I did I'm no scout.

I will say though that it's how big you play, not how big you are. I'd take a Theo Fleury or a Doug Gilmour over a gentle giant every day. If a kid has that kind of fire in his belly, it doesn't matter.

Exactly. The hustle is what matters in playoffs. Marchand, outside of his antics is a very successful producer.

 

[lwvs84]

I just hope whoever we take ends up having the best career of the available players (and hopefully out of guys ahead of him too).

 

[Sojourn]

Of course, this will not work against all the big pro's but still nice.
Rossi is growing on me more and more.

Yeah, he would get obliterated trying to make that play against an good top 4 NHL defenseman with size.

But I do like the fact he doesn’t shy away. There just needs to be enough awareness to know some plays are just not going to work in the NHL. We wouldn’t want to see him put himself into a vulnerable position.

The current NHL is the right time to go skill over size, if you have to make that choice. I’d be completely comfortable with Rossi. He’s undersized, but with the talent to succeed and a compete level that I really like. He’ll have to work harder than some, yes, but he isn’t lacking in ability.

 

[AngelDuck]

I’ve been saying since December that Rossi is a top 4 player in this draft. I’ll be so bummed if we pass

guys got so much ability

 

[Sojourn]

I’ve been saying since December that Rossi is a top 4 player in this draft. I’ll be so bummed if we pass

guys got so much ability

Agreed. He's a legit talent.

He's small, but it's not like he's 5'4". There are plenty of examples of guys on the small size excelling. Quick, someone tell Patrick Kane he's undersized. No way is he allowed to be an elite talent when he's under 6 foot.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I think you'll find that him trending up is more the exception than the rule - if anything he's dropped since earlier in the season. In McKenzie's list he dropped from 6 in January to 9 in June and in Button's he dropped from 11 in January to 13 in his ranking in early April.

I think you're discrediting NHL Central Scouting EU, which does focus only on EU prospects. Raymond was ranked #2 at mid-report, but now is #4. Lundell even passed him up to be #3.

Also, you're discrediting the work Holtz put in to jump Raymond in an EU specific only scouting. It isn't a singular thought. There a large contingent of scouting that reiterates Raymond's play dropping and Holtz play got better. BTW, which is why I added the comment why Holtz did jump up on a well sourced scouting uniform.

You like taking pot shots at Holts (and me), but you rarely accept information to be credible if it doesn't fit your ideas. Did Holts jump up in EU Rankings?

Anyhow, from Holtz' page:

Elite Prospects = #6
Future Considerations = #6
ISS Hockey = #9
TSN/Button = #13
McKeen's HOckey = #7
NHL Central Scouting EU = #2​

It's quite convenient for you to omit other scouting rankings that paint Holtz in a much favorable light. Maybe you should give the kid the credit he deserves than discredit what lots of other scouts have ranked him high. Again, I just want Holtz in the conversation, but you're quite adamant on cancelling his existence. Your comment continues to reiterate this line of thinking.

 

[Paul4587]

I think you're discrediting NHL Central Scouting EU, which does focus only on EU prospects. Raymond was ranked #2 at mid-report, but now is #4. Lundell even passed him up to be #3.

Also, you're discrediting the work Holtz put in to jump Raymond in an EU specific only scouting. It isn't a singular thought. There a large contingent of scouting that reiterates Raymond's play dropping and Holtz play got better. BTW, which is why I added the comment why Holtz did jump up on a well sourced scouting uniform.

You like taking pot shots at Holts (and me), but you rarely accept information to be credible if it doesn't fit your ideas. Did Holts jump up in EU Rankings?

Anyhow, from Holtz' page:

Elite Prospects = #6
Future Considerations = #6
ISS Hockey = #9
TSN/Button = #13
McKeen's HOckey = #7
NHL Central Scouting EU = #2​

It's quite convenient for you to omit other scouting rankings that paint Holtz in a much favorable light. Maybe you should give the kid the credit he deserves than discredit what lots of other scouts have ranked him high. Again, I just want Holtz in the conversation, but you're quite adamant on cancelling his existence. Your comment continues to reiterate this line of thinking.

I am not discrediting anything, I’m simply correcting your statement that Holtz is trending up. You’ve based this on one ranking and it’s a ranking that only ranks EU players. You can’t claim that as a fact when it’s not the case.

I’m not trying to discredit Holtz. But yeah I would be bummed if we picked Holtz. If we were picking say 11 and we got Holtz I would be thrilled. But we aren’t, we are picking number 6, I have really high standards as to the caliber of player I want there. I want a play driving multi dimensional threat if we’re drafting a forward there.

 

[Kalv]

5kg is a bit more than 10 pounds. And he starts to play today and in a larger role.

I'm really upset it is happening like this as I hoped us to get him, but very realistic he will start turning some heads now. Or not. Who knows.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I am not discrediting anything, I’m simply correcting your statement that Holtz is trending up. You’ve based this on one ranking and it’s a ranking that only ranks EU players. You can’t claim that as a fact when it’s not the case.

I’m not trying to discredit Holtz. But yeah I would be bummed if we picked Holtz. If we were picking say 11 and we got Holtz I would be thrilled. But we aren’t, we are picking number 6, I have really high standards as to the caliber of player I want there. I want a play driving multi dimensional threat if we’re drafting a forward there.

You do know that Scouting the EU specifically kinda has more weight with EU prospects. I guess I'll reiterate this again because you're still dismissing this fact: Raymond ranked #2 at mid-season for NHL Central Scouting EU. The final NHL Central Scouting EU has Stuzle #1, Holtz #2, Lundell #3, and Raymond #4. This specifically means Holtz is trending up because he leapfrogged Raymond, a player that you and many on here see as the prospect with the most elite potential. The audacity of your suppression of actual facts is astounding!

It's quite a narcissistic thought to continue to discredit actual scouting entities because "you feel" like it? Are you trying to white wash you only included rankings of #9 and #13 (because you can't; it's the internet) to discredit that Holts was trending up?! LMFAO There are three other rankings global rankings that have Holts ranked at the lowest, 7th overall. What type of cognitive dissonance are you trying to pass that you're not discrediting Holtz is trending up when three global rankings has him 6th and 7th overall. NHL Central Scouting EU isn't global, but it does track EU prospects specifically.

I guess you need to tell Elite Prospects, Future Considerations, and McKeen's Hockey that they're rankings are false and that Holtz should be ranked #11 because you say so. The obliviousness of your denial of discrediting scouting groups is unbelievable! I do hope you also contact NHL Central Scouting EU to tell them that Holtz isn't trending up and should be ranked below Raymond because "you feel" Raymond is better. hahahahhahahah I didn't even include Draft Dynasty into this mix. You should tell him too that he doesn't know what he's talking about. hahahhahahahahha

Four scouting entities see a trend up for Holtz. Two scouting entities have Holtz dropping. Yet, you think it's only one ranking?! What an agenda you have displaying your disdain for Holtz to omit EP, FC, McKeen's, and NHL Central Scouting's high ranking of Holtz. LMFAO!!!

I'm so glad your comment exists to share the mental olympics that Holtz isn't trending up.

 

[Paul4587]

You do know that Scouting the EU specifically kinda has more weight with EU prospects. I guess I'll reiterate this again because you're still dismissing this fact: Raymond ranked #2 at mid-season for NHL Central Scouting EU. The final NHL Central Scouting EU has Stuzle #1, Holtz #2, Lundell #3, and Raymond #4. This specifically means Holtz is trending up because he leapfrogged Raymond, a player that you and many on here see as the prospect with the most elite potential. The audacity of your suppression of actual facts is astounding!

It's quite a narcissistic thought to continue to discredit actual scouting entities because "you feel" like it? Are you trying to white wash you only included rankings of #9 and #13 (because you can't; it's the internet) to discredit that Holts was trending up?! LMFAO There are three other rankings global rankings that have Holts ranked at the lowest, 7th overall. What type of cognitive dissonance are you trying to pass that you're not discrediting Holtz is trending up when three global rankings has him 6th and 7th overall. NHL Central Scouting EU isn't global, but it does track EU prospects specifically.

I guess you need to tell Elite Prospects, Future Considerations, and McKeen's Hockey that they're rankings are false and that Holtz should be ranked #11 because you say so. The obliviousness of your denial of discrediting scouting groups is unbelievable! I do hope you also contact NHL Central Scouting EU to tell them that Holtz isn't trending up and should be ranked below Raymond because "you feel" Raymond is better. hahahahhahahah I didn't even include Draft Dynasty into this mix. You should tell him too that he doesn't know what he's talking about. hahahhahahahahha

Four scouting entities see a trend up for Holtz. Two scouting entities have Holtz dropping. Yet, you think it's only one ranking?! What an agenda you have displaying your disdain for Holtz to omit EP, FC, McKeen's, and NHL Central Scouting's high ranking of Holtz. LMFAO!!!

I'm so glad your comment exists to share the mental olympics that Holtz isn't trending up.

Pot meet kettle.

Your post is so full of false statements, flawed logic and inaccuracies that I'm not even going to bother anymore.

 

[bsu]

Best case scenario Holtz ends up like a Kubalik

 

[Static]

Best case scenario Holtz ends up like a Kubalik

I don't want holtz but I think that is selling him short.

Best case scenario I think is someone like Matthews with less of the playmaking ability and defensive value at center.