Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft Part 2

[rlstine]

Well, yeah, teams passed on Comtois and Texier - too bad for them

I'm not saying you're wrong though, this is just a comment.
Interesting theory, is there any idea behind it? We have always had problems with LW but have often had surplus of RW.

I've heard people who know way more about hockey than I do casually mention before that LW is generally considered the weakest position. And then I think I was reading some article that mentioned the Hart has only been won by a LW 7 times. The Conn Smythe has only been won by a LW twice, and one of those times was Ovechkin two years ago.

I'm going to try to look into this more quantitatively to see if there's any merit to it. Obviously I'm not saying you should never draft a LW (I think Lafreniere and Stutzle will be just fine), but I do kind of question how much value a really good LW brings compared to a C or D (for some reason I always come back to the 2000's Rick Nash Blue Jackets and Kovalchuk Thrashers). Even the great LWs in the game today (Marchand, Ovechkin) didn't really start to be competitive in the playoffs until their teams rounded out with better centers and defensemen.

 

[Kalv]

I've heard people who know way more about hockey than I do casually mention before that LW is generally considered the weakest position. And then I think I was reading some article that mentioned the Hart has only been won by a LW 7 times. The Conn Smythe has only been won by a LW twice, and one of those times was Ovechkin two years ago.

I'm going to try to look into this more quantitatively to see if there's any merit to it. Obviously I'm not saying you should never draft a LW (I think Lafreniere and Stutzle will be just fine), but I do kind of question how much value a really good LW brings compared to a C or D (for some reason I always come back to the 2000's Rick Nash Blue Jackets and Kovalchuk Thrashers). Even the great LWs in the game today (Marchand, Ovechkin) didn't really start to be competitive in the playoffs until their teams rounded out with better centers and defensemen.

Interesting, really.

The best comparison could be LW vs RW in any numbers as generally it has always been an understanding that teams need C, D, G to win championships. And there's some truth to it I think.
If the LW vs RW numbers don't differ that much then it is just the winger thing.

 

[Beckett]

The one thing I've always found interesting is the amount of Right Wing Power Forwards compared to Left. I always assumed it has to do with the majority of Power Forwards being American, who usually shoot right as it's more natural for someone who grew up swinging a bat.

 

[Kalv]

Welp, Askarov in KHL:

3 career games : 2-1-0 record, 70/73 saves, .958 sv%, 1.00 gaa.
That league is no OHL. I wonder which team will make a run for him, maybe even Ottava. I don't think we will be taking him, but what do I know.

 

[Masch78]

Jup, potential franchise goalie. Can't see him being less than a good #1 goalie, but you never know.

 

[Gliff]

Welp, Askarov in KHL:

3 career games : 2-1-0 record, 70/73 saves, .958 sv%, 1.00 gaa.
That league is no OHL. I wonder which team will make a run for him, maybe even Ottava. I don't think we will be taking him, but what do I know.

My dream is that he legit just tears it up until the draft and is taken before our pick.
We have no business drafting a goalie so it really shouldn't matter what he does.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Welp, Askarov in KHL:

3 career games : 2-1-0 record, 70/73 saves, .958 sv%, 1.00 gaa.
That league is no OHL. I wonder which team will make a run for him, maybe even Ottava. I don't think we will be taking him, but what do I know.

I can honestly see a team in the top 10 taking him

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Scouts in pronman's article today say they think there is a chance Drysdale goes higher than expected.

I saw the Hockey Guy on youtube covering the Kings for 2020-21 season and he kinda denoted the Kings are lacking defense. I don't know if the Kings will pass up Stutzle for Drysdale, though. The Kings or Red Wings are the only surprise teams. I've seen many mock Ottawa #5 overall being used on Drysdale, so it's not Ottawa. Hmmm... smokescreen, perhaps from a team not in the top-6 so they can geta chance at the player they really want?

I saw a youtuber (melody martin) tell her sis to draft Lamar Jackson for their football fantasy draft, often telling her sis that if she doesn't, then she will as she owns the next pick. So her sis drafts Lamar and melody cackles as she wanted McCaffrey all along. Could be a similar thing here, hyping up Drysdale. LoL

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I def think there are a few teams that have askarov as a top 3 player in the draft, and I wouldn’t be shocked if 12-15 teams have him in their top 10.

I think ott will go stutzle or byfield, and drysdale/sanderson/askarov, I really cant see them going 2 forwards

they have a chance to grab 2nd best forward in draft and best goalie or dmen... and I think you go that route

 

[bsu]

I think ottawa will take 2 forwards, most likely stutzle/byfield and Rossi/raymond with small chance of drysdale.

 

[Kalv]

 

[Duck Off]

Pierre says he fully believes Askarov goes top 10. I don’t see it happening before we pick though.

 

[eternalbedhead]

If someone can reach for Askarov in the top 5 (maybe Ottawa with one of their two picks? it's not probable but it definitely could happen) on top of Drysdale potentially going to the Kings at #2, it could be a very weird draft night, and one that might be good for us. We'd have pretty much all of the forward targets laid out in this thread plus Perfetti to choose from if the top 5 goes Lafreniere-Drysdale-Byfield-Stutzle-Askarov -- no worrying about Rossi or Raymond making it to us at #6.

 

[bsu]

Drysdale is not going #2

 

[The Duck Knight]

This guy is the absolute definition of a one trick pony. Just look at his shot/goal chart. There is nothing inside the faceoff dots. That kind of reliance on scoring from the circles won't cut it in the NHL no matter how good your shot is. Of course that's not to say he can't improve in that area, but if a guy won't go to the dirty areas to score goals in Junior I have doubts he'll do it against pros.

 

[Gliff]

Alright, lets play out my fantasy right now...

NY takes Laf, as expected.
LA takes Drysdale like they are rumored.
Ottawa takes Byfield
Detroit takes they guy they are obsessed with in Perfetti
Ottawa takes Askarov

Ducks end up with Stutzle

I will name my first child after the GMs of LA, Detroit, and Ottawa if this played out.

Robert Stevierre Gliff

 

[bsu]

Alright, lets play out my fantasy right now...

NY takes Laf, as expected.
LA takes Drysdale like they are rumored.
Ottawa takes Byfield
Detroit takes they guy they are obsessed with in Perfetti
Ottawa takes Askarov

Ducks end up with Stutzle

I will name my first child after the GMs of LA, Detroit, and Ottawa if this played out.

Robert Stevierre Gliff

Or we can all just win the actual lottery instead, everyone on this forum.

 

[Duck Off]

Alright, lets play out my fantasy right now...

NY takes Laf, as expected.
LA takes Drysdale like they are rumored.
Ottawa takes Byfield
Detroit takes they guy they are obsessed with in Perfetti
Ottawa takes Askarov

Ducks end up with Stutzle

I will name my first child after the GMs of LA, Detroit, and Ottawa if this played out.

Robert Stevierre Gliff

lol you’re not alone. I’ve had the exact same dream fantasy in my head, but I have since forced myself to realize there’s no chance in hell it happens.

 

[Gliff]

Or we can all just win the actual lottery instead, everyone on this forum.

I mean, it could happen

lol you’re not alone. I’ve had the exact same dream fantasy in my head, but I have since forced myself to realize there’s no chance in hell it happens.

NOT WITH AN ATTITUDE LIKE THAT!

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

Welp, Askarov in KHL:

3 career games : 2-1-0 record, 70/73 saves, .958 sv%, 1.00 gaa.
That league is no OHL. I wonder which team will make a run for him, maybe even Ottava. I don't think we will be taking him, but what do I know.

Jup, potential franchise goalie. Can't see him being less than a good #1 goalie, but you never know.

My dream is that he legit just tears it up until the draft and is taken before our pick.
We have no business drafting a goalie so it really shouldn't matter what he does.

I’m probably the only one who would like to see Askarov drafted by us. From what I’ve been reading and listening to others, Askarov has superstar potential.

This team is re-tooling on the fly and not embracing a total rebuild. Keep Askarov in the minors for a season or two, then offload Gibson for a load of picks, prospects and other goods.

The ‘Russian factor’ stigma hasn’t been a thing for top players in the last couple of years. Look at Sorokin, he came over after a couple years of seasoning

 

[dracom]

I’m probably the only one who would like to see Askarov drafted by us. From what I’ve been reading and listening to others, Askarov has superstar potential.

This team is re-tooling on the fly and not embracing a total rebuild. Keep Askarov in the minors for a season or two, then offload Gibson for a load of picks, prospects and other goods.

The ‘Russian factor’ stigma hasn’t been a thing for top players in the last couple of years. Look at Sorokin, he came over after a couple years of seasoning

any team drafting a goalie in the top 10 is an idiot imo. The last superstar goalie to go in the top 10 was Price and even he isn't winning a cup himself. Goalies are too much of a crapshoot to waste one of this teams few high picks it ever gets for a goalie when we do not need a goalie in the system.

 

[dracom]

Or we can all just win the actual lottery instead, everyone on this forum.

frankly there's a better chance at that fantasy selection happening than there is us actually winning the lottery lol

 

[Gliff]

I’m probably the only one who would like to see Askarov drafted by us. From what I’ve been reading and listening to others, Askarov has superstar potential.

This team is re-tooling on the fly and not embracing a total rebuild. Keep Askarov in the minors for a season or two, then offload Gibson for a load of picks, prospects and other goods.

The ‘Russian factor’ stigma hasn’t been a thing for top players in the last couple of years. Look at Sorokin, he came over after a couple years of seasoning

Goalies never get as much in trades as they are worth to the team.

Ya, I would trade him for Byram + Newhook + 1st. But that isn't happening.

I don't think the Russian factor has anything to do with it. The Ducks are just the last team that should be spending a top 10 pick on a goalie.
They have a young elite goalie.
They have proven they are able to find goalies for the past 20 years time and time again.
They desperately need elite talent at every other position outside of the net.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

any team drafting a goalie in the top 10 is an idiot imo. The last superstar goalie to go in the top 10 was Price and even he isn't winning a cup himself. Goalies are too much of a crapshoot to waste one of this teams few high picks it ever gets for a goalie when we do not need a goalie in the system.

lol. Sure, ‘an idiot.’ Whatever you say. The kid has been raved on his positional and mental play, which is impressive because he’s so young.

The guy is known to have that potential. Not many come off the prospect line like that. I just don’t see Gibson leading this team to anything. We have no proper surrounding talent and is the main piece that has some actual value.

 

[dracom]

lol. Sure, ‘an idiot.’ Whatever you say. The kid has been raved on his positional and mental play, which is impressive because he’s so young.

The guy is known to have that potential. Not many come off the prospect line like that. I just don’t see Gibson leading this team to anything. We have no proper surrounding talent and is the main piece that has some actual value.

and guess what? all of that means nothing until he's actually in the NHL. How many prospects get praised for whatever selective attribute scouts want to praise them for? and highly touted prospects bust all the time, Askarov has the same potential to bust, to be a superstar, to be a league average goalie.

the irony here is to surround a goalie with talent you need to draft that talent, and using a top 10 pick helps doing that. You draft Askarov and he faces the same problem you're wanting to trade Gibson for, having no proper surrounding talent. Teams dont' need a superstar goalie to win, they need elite forwards and defensemen.