NHL Entry Draft 2020 NHL Draft Discussion - PART XI [We got 3-5]

[Cat Herder]

Rossi is shorter than JGP quite sure. Not that that means he won’t be successful. I do see him as a super JG (similar style, better at just about everything)

I found different numbers for Pageau ranging from 5'9" to 5'10" IMO a 1 inch difference in height is not a big deal

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I don’t see rossi moving to wing.

 

[JaredCowen4Norris]

I don’t see rossi moving to wing.

Why's that? I think he'll be capable of playing center but I think moving him to the wing would maximize his offensive potential. If he progresses well I could see him being a Patrick Kane-lite winger with a better two-way game. If a team wants him a center I think he can do it, but I'd like to see what he could be offensively without the defensive responsibilities of a center.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Any NCAA overagers from small schools we can identify?

For the draft? I had created another thread for NCAA free agents if you are looking for that instead. For the draft the overage draft eligible prospects that played this year in the NCAA aren't that exciting. If instead you are looking for prospects with a NCAA commitment then I could offer you a list of players that could be worth targeting.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Everything about Marco Rossi screams super star in the making. Only knock is his height to be honest otherwise I would have him # 2. Sens have to find a way to get this guy. He has a calm assassin type demeanor. You can tell he has the fire inside to be great. Reminds me a lot of Alfie, Datsyuk or even Backstrom at times. Watch his interview:

Why's that? I think he'll be capable of playing center but I think moving him to the wing would maximize his offensive potential. If he progresses well I could see him being a Patrick Kane-lite winger with a better two-way game. If a team wants him a center I think he can do it, but I'd like to see what he could be offensively without the defensive responsibilities of a center.

What he said above. If Rossi can transition to wing then I 100% grab him. If he doesn’t work out at C then he can still carve an excellent career on the wing. For Rossi I look at Zetterberg or Giroux. Players who need to be versatile to maximize their careers and play some of their best hockey on the wing.

Rossi is the same size as JG Pageau

Pageau was able to find a place in the league, I don't see why Rossi wouldn't be able to

This has been discussed several times it’s not just Rossi’s height - He isn’t fast. If he was fast skater he’d be battling for top 3 even with his height.
Pageau is an excellent skater.

 

[GCK]

What he said above. If Rossi can transition to wing then I 100% grab him. If he doesn’t work out at C then he can still carve an excellent career on the wing. For Rossi I look at Zetterberg or Giroux. Players who need to be versatile to maximize their careers and play some of their best hockey on the wing.



This has been discussed several times it’s not just Rossi’s height - He isn’t fast. If he was fast skater he’d be battling for top 3 even with his height.
Pageau is an excellent skater.

Pageau is not overly fast. Rossi is not slow, I would maybe give Pageau a slight edge in overall speed but Rossi is at worst his equal in every other aspect of skating.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

For the draft? I had created another thread for NCAA free agents if you are looking for that instead. For the draft the overage draft eligible prospects that played this year in the NCAA aren't that exciting. If instead you are looking for prospects with a NCAA commitment then I could offer you a list of players that could be worth targeting.

they dont need to be exciting for us to draft them lol.

 

[Sens in Process]

Don't kid yourself, there are a lot of risks associated with Rossi, and this was made evident by a team ranking at 18 in Bob's list. Rossi is small(sorry to reiterate the obvious), physically maxed out and lacks explosion in his skating. Honestly, I see him more likely to be a sold 2nd C than a first line player. I could be wrong, but I would stay away from him with the a top 5 pick. I think Wheeler said Rossi was a definite upgrade over guys like Norris and Brown. I'm not so sure he will be a better pro than Norris.

 

[Micklebot]

Don't kid yourself, there are a lot of risks associated with Rossi, and this was made evident by a team ranking at 18 in Bob's list. Rossi is small(sorry to reiterate the obvious), physically maxed out and lacks explosion in his skating. Honestly, I see him more likely to be a sold 2nd C than a first line player. I could be wrong, but I would stay away from him with the a top 5 pick. I think Wheeler said Rossi was a definite upgrade over guys like Norris and Brown. I'm not so sure he will be a better pro than Norris.

Rossi is an interesting prospect imo.

He is small so that's risky; well short, he is heavier than the vast majority of players his height, he's already at 18 the same weight as many established players and would fall on the threshold between the bottom third and middle third of current nhl forwards listed weights.

He isn't a good skater; well he definately lacks explosiveness compared to typical smaller forwards, but his skating is still a strength imo. He is very good on his edges and hard to knock off the play because of a low center of gravity. In other worss, he is very strong on his skates and is quite shifty.

To me, the most valid critique is how much more growth is there to his game. In terms of physical development he is advanced relative to most prospects, soi don't expect him to add 20 pds of muscle, but part of that is because of how driven he is to improve, already a gym rat and always looking to work on his flaws. How much can he improve his first step? We saw Stone take big strudes, i could see a driven player like Rossi putting in the work to improve as well (part of his explosion this year was just that, him working hard to improve on a known weakness). He is also older than the majority of his draft cohort, so again, how much runway is left for him to improve?

In the end though, if these risks/flaws didn't exist, we wouldn't be talking about him at 5th, we'd be hoping he was still there at 3rd.

 

[Bileur]

If I’m Dorion, I like Rossi a lot at 5. Whether we take Byfield or Stutzle I see both as boom or bust options to varying degrees. I’d want both to take another year to develop before stepping into the NHL. I’m sure he’ll be getting pressure for one of the top 2 picks to make the team out of camp. Rossi is one of the most ready to step in next season. In an ideal world this isn’t a consideration, but it would be in the back of my head if my job was on the line with a meddling owner.

Rossi has upside, maybe not elite 1C, but I could certainly see a 1B type or an elite 2. If the offense doesn’t translate to NHL top six production I think that with his intelligence, work ethic, and determination I’d be pretty confident he can at least be a good 3c.

One complaint about Rossi that I’ve seen a few times and fail to comprehend is that he takes what is given to him and makes the simple play rather than making the dynamic play.

I’d understand this concern for a potential top 10 pick if he didn’t have elite production, but he’s first in scoring in the CHL as a draft eligible. I get wanting to see more flash play in an ideal world but are we really going to knock the guy for making safe simple plays while putting up elite production? Seems like nitpicking and valuing flash over substance to me.

 

[BondraTime]

One complaint about Rossi that I’ve seen a few times and fail to comprehend is that he takes what is given to him and makes the simple play rather than making the dynamic play.

I’d understand this concern for a potential top 10 pick if he didn’t have elite production, but he’s first in scoring in the CHL as a draft eligible. I get wanting to see more flash play in an ideal world but are we really going to knock the guy for making safe simple plays while putting up elite production? Seems like nitpicking and valuing flash over substance to me.

That shouldn’t ever be something a scout would be upset at, on the contrary that would work in the favour of the player.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

If we pick Perfetti or Raymond over Rossi it should not be about height. Skating / straight line Speed vs quickness and agility has been documented as a potential issue on all of them as well.
All 3 are very high IQ players that show great anticipation. They are different styles . All three should be top 6 NHLers. Rossi is more of a facilitator .. knowing where everyone is, moving the puck quickly and effectively from the Dzone on out.. I certainly will not knock him for that style of play. Perfetti dissects and manipulates defenses to set up scoring chances for himself and team mates .. Raymond is a little of both. All 3 are dynamic. No wrong answer only preferences in style. All 3 are right there and qualified to be there.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

If I’m Dorion, I like Rossi a lot at 5. Whether we take Byfield or Stutzle I see both as boom or bust options to varying degrees. I’d want both to take another year to develop before stepping into the NHL. I’m sure he’ll be getting pressure for one of the top 2 picks to make the team out of camp. Rossi is one of the most ready to step in next season. In an ideal world this isn’t a consideration, but it would be in the back of my head if my job was on the line with a meddling owner.

Rossi has upside, maybe not elite 1C, but I could certainly see a 1B type or an elite 2. If the offense doesn’t translate to NHL top six production I think that with his intelligence, work ethic, and determination I’d be pretty confident he can at least be a good 3c.

One complaint about Rossi that I’ve seen a few times and fail to comprehend is that he takes what is given to him and makes the simple play rather than making the dynamic play.

I’d understand this concern for a potential top 10 pick if he didn’t have elite production, but he’s first in scoring in the CHL as a draft eligible. I get wanting to see more flash play in an ideal world but are we really going to knock the guy for making safe simple plays while putting up elite production? Seems like nitpicking and valuing flash over substance to me.

Agreed. One of the reasons I'm so high on Rossi is because of his "simple" style.
He doesn't have to rely on flashy plays because all he does is make the right play, both with and without the puck. Its a style of play that will translate well to the NHL, certainly a lot better than prospects who rely on breaking ankles at the junior level.

And he's quite capable of making the flashy play as well so it's the best of both worlds.

IMO he's a throwback player like Alfredsson, Backstrom, Zetterberg. High skill level combined with the patience and poise to play a simple and effective possession game.

 

[Sens Vader]

Did anybody read the Marco Sturm article in the Atheltic where he talked about Stutzle?

Just noticed he had one, I dont have a subscription but was wondering if anybody caught it

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Did anybody read the Marco Sturm article in the Atheltic where he talked about Stutzle?

Just noticed he had one, I dont have a subscription but was wondering if anybody caught it

highly critical I imagine

 

[Sens Vader]

highly critical I imagine

Was wondering if we get the inside scoop on who LA might pick

Quote from Sturm: "He has the drive like no one else, that's why I think hes so special. He wants to be the best and works really hard for it. Hes already become a leader and that's what impresses me most"

That's all I got though lol

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Was wondering if we get the inside scoop on who LA might pick

Quote from Sturm: "He has the drive like no one else, that's why I think hes so special"

That's all I got though lol

Just read it Kings assistant Marco Sturm has the inside scoop on top... these are points extracted

There will be plenty of deliberation and analysis still ahead for the Kings, but their director of amateur scouting, Mark Yannetti, thought it would likely come down to two players.

“I think he (Stutzle) is going to be great,” Sturm said.

Sturm first met Stutzle when the youngster was on the U16 team.

The Kings will continue to perform their due diligence when it comes to Stutzle. But they’ve got a terrific asset in Sturm who seemingly knows everyone in German hockey. “They’re all my friends, so it’s very easy to find things out about him,” Sturm said.

“Mannheim, where he is right now, does a good job and invests a lot of money,” Sturm said. “They worked hard with him, and he got the ice time, the playing time last season against men. This is huge.

“With him, it seems like he’s going the same way. He has that drive like no one else. That’s why I think he’s so special. He wants to be the best. He works really hard for it. He already became a leader, and that impresses me the most.”

“Now teams have a chance to watch those kids again,” Sturm said. “Three, four and five months is a lot of time at that age.”


That;s about it. Naturally Sturm speaks highly of him.

 

[JaredCowen4Norris]

Agreed. One of the reasons I'm so high on Rossi is because of his "simple" style.
He doesn't have to rely on flashy plays because all he does is make the right play, both with and without the puck. Its a style of play that will translate well to the NHL, certainly a lot better than prospects who rely on breaking ankles at the junior level.

And he's quite capable of making the flashy play as well so it's the best of both worlds.

IMO he's a throwback player like Alfredsson, Backstrom, Zetterberg. High skill level combined with the patience and poise to play a simple and effective possession game.

Having him on the wing for a center like Logan Brown could be dynamite. Partnering him with another playmaking center would make it difficult for teams to defend, you'd have two guys capable of facilitating play. Could be our future Spezza + Alfie

 

[RAFI BOMB]

they dont need to be exciting for us to draft them lol.

What I meant by that is that I am somewhat aware of the overage NCAA draft eligible prospects and for the most part I think there are far better options in different leagues. I am however aware of some draft eligible prospects with NCAA commitments that could be solid targets. These prospects would be available from the middle to late rounds and come from leagues like USHL, USNTDP, NAHL, USPHL, AJHL, USHS-Prep and USHS-MN. If you would like me to offer a list of those players then let me know.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

What I meant by that is that I am somewhat aware of the overage NCAA draft eligible prospects and for the most part I think there are far better options in different leagues. I am however aware of some draft eligible prospects with NCAA commitments that could be solid targets. These prospects would be available from the middle to late rounds and come from leagues like USHL, USNTDP, NAHL, USPHL, AJHL, USHS-Prep and USHS-MN. If you would like me to offer a list of those players then let me know.

well we like to save money on travel... any mid round UND commit options

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Agreed. One of the reasons I'm so high on Rossi is because of his "simple" style.
He doesn't have to rely on flashy plays because all he does is make the right play, both with and without the puck. Its a style of play that will translate well to the NHL, certainly a lot better than prospects who rely on breaking ankles at the junior level.

And he's quite capable of making the flashy play as well so it's the best of both worlds.

IMO he's a throwback player like Alfredsson, Backstrom, Zetterberg. High skill level combined with the patience and poise to play a simple and effective possession game.

he plays like crosby i said this the first time i saw him and i maintain it. everything about him his crosby-esque

 

[DJB]

I found different numbers for Pageau ranging from 5'9" to 5'10" IMO a 1 inch difference in height is not a big deal

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't but when it comes to historical statistical analysis is definitely matters

 

[DJB]

Just read it Kings assistant Marco Sturm has the inside scoop on top... these are points extracted

There will be plenty of deliberation and analysis still ahead for the Kings, but their director of amateur scouting, Mark Yannetti, thought it would likely come down to two players.

“I think he (Stutzle) is going to be great,” Sturm said.

Sturm first met Stutzle when the youngster was on the U16 team.

The Kings will continue to perform their due diligence when it comes to Stutzle. But they’ve got a terrific asset in Sturm who seemingly knows everyone in German hockey. “They’re all my friends, so it’s very easy to find things out about him,” Sturm said.

“Mannheim, where he is right now, does a good job and invests a lot of money,” Sturm said. “They worked hard with him, and he got the ice time, the playing time last season against men. This is huge.

“With him, it seems like he’s going the same way. He has that drive like no one else. That’s why I think he’s so special. He wants to be the best. He works really hard for it. He already became a leader, and that impresses me the most.”

“Now teams have a chance to watch those kids again,” Sturm said. “Three, four and five months is a lot of time at that age.”


That;s about it. Naturally Sturm speaks highly of him.

Thanks for dropping those quotes Anarchy!

Seems inevitable ever since LA won the 2nd pick that they are taking Stutzle. Too much smoke there to ignore it.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

If we pick Perfetti or Raymond over Rossi it should not be about height. Skating / straight line Speed vs quickness and agility has been documented as a potential issue on all of them as well.
All 3 are very high IQ players that show great anticipation. They are different styles . All three should be top 6 NHLers. Rossi is more of a facilitator .. knowing where everyone is, moving the puck quickly and effectively from the Dzone on out.. I certainly will not knock him for that style of play. Perfetti dissects and manipulates defenses to set up scoring chances for himself and team mates .. Raymond is a little of both. All 3 are dynamic. No wrong answer only preferences in style. All 3 are right there and qualified to be there.

Imo there is a wrong answer. When I see Rossi I don’t see a guy who can play centre against big and better nhl players, so if he moves to wing i would clearly rank him below Raymond and Perfetti due to their specific offensive abilities

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

he plays like crosby i said this the first time i saw him and i maintain it. everything about him his crosby-esque

Except for the clear difference in skating ability, and offensive upside, and shot, etc