NHL Entry Draft 2020 NHL Draft Discussion - PART IV

[Xspyrit]

In a near future after this draft, hard choices will have to be made, there won't be spots for everybody. Already a lot of talent in the organization but we're about to add a lot of high end talent. We're thinking about the first rounders but what if we strike gold with any of the 2nd rounders?

Guys like Chlapik, Balcers, Connor Brown, Duclair might not be able to keep their jobs so I guess the strategy will be trade them at peak value as well, so you keep funding the draft picks bank

Sens are in a incredible position. Only Melnyk could screw that up

I'm probably going with @Xspyrit. I have a friend who is a STH in montreal and he isn't interested in going to the draft.

He already sent me an email he received in which they told him that the ticket are primarely for the players, family and the NHL. The remaining ticket are going into a presale for the STH and then it's going to the other costumer.

Man, I had absolutely no idea it was you since you changed your username almost 6 months ago now.

Seriously, I'd even overpay to go to the draft. I went in 2009 and it was a cool experience. But I understand if most people don't care about going, you have to be a hardcore hockey fan to spend a June evening on that

But seriously, it will be a blast for Sens fans (3rd pick in the 1st round, 2 very high? wow). The only thing that could piss me off is if the Habs or Leafs pick before the Sens. Or if Dorion Brainlees us.

 

[thinkwild]

I was maybe overly impressed with the Russian jr's this year, at least in some of their games. That Sokolov had me thinking what an interesting line mate he could make for Brady. If we wanted to pick him, where would he go? Could we get him with one of of our 2nds or 3rds or am i overly enamored?

I also really wonder if anyone picking in the top 10 - 12 say of the draft this year is likely to accept picks to move down. Im thinking its pretty unlikely?

 

[BondraTime]

I was maybe overly impressed with the Russian jr's this year, at least in some of their games. That Sokolov had me thinking what an interesting line mate he could make for Brady. If we wanted to pick him, where would he go? Could we get him with one of of our 2nds or 3rds or am i overly enamored?

I also really wonder if anyone picking in the top 10 - 12 say of the draft this year is likely to accept picks to move down. Im thinking its pretty unlikely?

Sokolov should be there with our 3rd's-4th, not sure I'd use a 2nd on him.

 

[Alex1234]

If not Laf we need a C (BYfield, Rossi) ,Drysdale and Mysak kind of draft

 

[Burrowsaurus]

We've been scouting Zub enough to be considered a top candidate to sign him, I imagine whoever is doing that has taken the time to scout a high profile 1st round prospect while he's in the area.

We were super high on Sieder last year, not sure why Stutzle would be any different in terms of willingness to get out and scout him.

so if were drafting a Russian it will be from the same team zub is on.

amirov with our third first would be dynamite (from all ive heard)

 

[Micklebot]

so if were drafting a Russian it will be from the same team zub is on.

You think we just scout one team? So, presumably we knew we wanted to scout Zub for some reason and just followed his team rather than we were scouting the league and identified him as somebody to sign? Seems a bit backwards to me...

Anyways, Amirov would be a great choice with the NYI pick. Agree on that much.

 

[Cat Herder]

So it may have been asked but I am not going to read all the posts looking for it

If the Sens do not win the lottery for either 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. Would you trade our two 1st rounders (which would be 6th and 7th if the season ended today) for #1 overall?

 

[BondraTime]

So it may have been asked but I am not going to read all the posts looking for it

If the Sens do not win the lottery for either 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. Would you trade our two 1st rounders (which would be 6th and 7th if the season ended today) for #1 overall?

That's assuming neither Detroit or LA win any of the 3 lotteries as well.

Sens could lose all of the lotteries and still pick 4th and 5th

 

[Cat Herder]

That's assuming neither Detroit or LA win any of the 3 lotteries as well.

Sens could lose all of the lotteries and still pick 4th and 5th

True ... so the question still stands.. would you trade those two picks for #1

 

[BondraTime]

True ... so the question still stands.. would you trade those two picks for #1

No, I'd pick 2 guys in the top 10. I'd trade our highest and NYI's pick +, not two picks that high

 

[GCK]

True ... so the question still stands.. would you trade those two picks for #1

Not 4-5 as I would be guaranteed at least one of Byfield/Stutzle/Raymond + another very good player.

 

[Shruggs Peterson]

True ... so the question still stands.. would you trade those two picks for #1

If it's Montreal that holds #1 and they agree to it then yes just to spite them.

Any other team I'd say no. In another draft year I would think differently but the talent that will be available at 4 and 5 is going to be very good.

 

[GCK]

If it's Montreal that holds #1 and they agree to it then yes just to spite them.

Any other team I'd say no. In another draft year I would think differently but the talent that will be available at 4 and 5 is going to be very good.

If Montreal wins the lottery I expect they will take Wickenheiser over Savard again.

 

[MatchesMalone]

I'd be fine with that especially if they were to land a big, tough right shot defenceman in the first who can move the puck & play at both ends & there should be at least 2 or 3 around where the Islanders could end up. My guess though would be depending on what happens with the lottery that he has another 1st rd pick to use if necessary to move up to grab a future top line centre like Byfield. Having said that though, I've always felt like PD would rather go with the flash & dash, than build a big tough playoff team.

This 2020 draft should be a lot of fun with 3 picks in the first rd, 4 picks in the 2nd rd & 2 picks in the 3rd rd. should be very interesting to watch how this GM builds the future from this draft given the players he already has. What happens at the lottery & where they end up could be key as to whether PD will need to be in the top 1 to 3 spots to make a serious move for Lafreniere or Byfield who IMO are still the top two players in this draft. I place more importance in position than most & where I think the Sens are deficient or thin, I like this group.

1st rd (1st pick) - Quinton Byfield C/LW - potentially the best centre in this draft.
1st rd (2nd pick) - Yaroslov Askarov G - potentially the best goalie in this draft.
1st rd (3rd pick) - Braden Schneider RD - potentially the 3rd best RD in this draft.
2nd rd (1st pick) - Willie Cuylle LW - power forward potential, front net presence.
2nd rd (2nd pick) - Jaromir Pytlik C/RW - big, fast & skilled goal scorer.
2nd rd (3rd pick) - Tyler Kleven LD - punishing hitter, good skater with offensive upside.
2nd rd (4th pick) - Dylan Peterson C - 3rd line centre with offensive upside.
3rd rd (1st pick) - Alex Cotton RD - good two way D with a big shot.
3rd rd (2nd pick) - Bogdan Trineev RW - could be a sleeper pick, size & skill.

Braden Schneider is a defensive powerhouse, but his breakouts under pressure are a serious cause for concern. Best case scenario for Schneider would be as a complementary top four D who could complement a more one-dimensional offensive defenseman like Brännström. I like Brännström quite a bit but he is going to have trouble defending the front of his net. Paired with a guy like Schneider, they could cover eachother's weaknesses.

But as a best-case scenario, I'm not sure that's worth a mid to late first round pick given some of the talent available in this draft. Worse case scenario he's that guy that fans hate, because the coach always dresses him for PK and bottom pair defensive assignments, but he just can't stop turning the puck over and get the puck out of his zone.

I like Guhle and Mukhamadullin a lot better, but they're not right shots like you're after. Mukhamadullin does mostly play the right side in Russia, but not sure how that'll go over in North America. I haven't seen much Wallinder but I've heard good things, but again he's a left shot.

Helge Grans is a big right shot defenseman, and I think I like him better than Schneider. He's not as good defensively but he's a much better puck mover. He has issues with risk management, but that might be coachable.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Bourque, Mysak, Schneider, Sanderson, Barron, Lapierre, Perreault, Jarvis might be there at 23 as well. Should get a very decent player there.

No way Sanderson is available at 23. I'll be surprised if he falls last 12 or so.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

The first overall pick often doesn't end up the best player in a given draft, there are almost always better players picked later in the first round, and sometimes even outside the first round. Who are some players expected to go later in the draft that you could imagine going on to be the best, or one of the best players in the class?

I'm guessing Marat Khustnudinov, Rodion Amirov, Antonio Stranges or Dylan Peterson.

I guess it depends how you are defining "best", I think there is certainly a number of prospects that could be impact players and some of the aspects of their game may be difficult to quantify so it could be debatable if they are better than others.

I like the list you provided here. There are a number of players that I could list that could be drafted very early so I will focus more on players that might go a bit under the radar. Alexander Nikishin still has a lot of raw potential so if he puts it all together I could see him being one of the better players in this draft. Maxim Beryozkin is having a strong season and I could see him becoming a Mark Stone type of player if things work out well. I like Jaromir Pytlik and think he may have higher offensive upside than he is currently demonstrating. Grant Slukynsky seems to have very high hockey IQ and some good tools, he is a guy that could go late and surprise a lot of people. I am very high on Matthew Rempe and I see a lot of potential in him, he seems like a guy that with the right development could be a dominant NHL player. Nick Capone has the potential to be a Tom Wilson type so if he ever becomes that then that would be pretty valuable.

A couple of over agers that really stand out to me are Egor Sokolov, Alexander Gordin and Logan Barlage. There might be something intriguing there with those three but there are some questions of what they could become at the NHL level.

 

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[RAFI BOMB]

Nikita Shavin F 5'11 165 lbs
MHL 2019-2020: 54 GP 17 G 20 A 37 PTS
Nikita Shavin at eliteprospects.com

 

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[Sens of Anarchy]

No way Sanderson is available at 23. I'll be surprised if he falls last 12 or so.

A couple others on my list could be gone too. Given the D depth he will likely be gone though you are right

 

[aragorn]

Braden Schneider is a defensive powerhouse, but his breakouts under pressure are a serious cause for concern. Best case scenario for Schneider would be as a complementary top four D who could complement a more one-dimensional offensive defenseman like Brännström. I like Brännström quite a bit but he is going to have trouble defending the front of his net. Paired with a guy like Schneider, they could cover eachother's weaknesses.

But as a best-case scenario, I'm not sure that's worth a mid to late first round pick given some of the talent available in this draft. Worse case scenario he's that guy that fans hate, because the coach always dresses him for PK and bottom pair defensive assignments, but he just can't stop turning the puck over and get the puck out of his zone.

I like Guhle and Mukhamadullin a lot better, but they're not right shots like you're after. Mukhamadullin does mostly play the right side in Russia, but not sure how that'll go over in North America. I haven't seen much Wallinder but I've heard good things, but again he's a left shot.

Helge Grans is a big right shot defenseman, and I think I like him better than Schneider. He's not as good defensively but he's a much better puck mover. He has issues with risk management, but that might be coachable.

I don't look at things the way most do & compare an individual's talents to others. I look at how that player would fit into what IMO this team requires & which players fit best into the kind of team I would like to see. Schneider is a right shot & Ottawa could use one & the coaching staff will need to figure out if Chabot needs a guy like this to play with him to allow him too attack the offensive zone while his partner hangs back. Whether it's Schneider or Grans makes no difference to me but Schneider is ranked higher.

Maybe one of these two guys could play on a shutdown 3rd pairing & get plenty of PK time. Maybe he's a better overall RD than the others they have & he fits nicely on the 2nd pairing rather than the top pairing or the 3rd. I'm looking at what the entire team needs, how all the pieces fit together & not just looking at which defenceman is better than the other defencemen, plenty of people on here do that, I don't. I look for the attributes I would like to see in a defenceman & what this team needs IMO which of course differs from most. Look at all the players I mentioned, it would probably create the biggest & toughest team in the NHL & that's what I would like to see along with some skill, basically a playoff team.

 

[Crosside]

Schneider and Guhle is two defensemen I would very happy to draft

 

[MatchesMalone]

I don't look at things the way most do & compare an individual's talents to others. I look at how that player would fit into what IMO this team requires & which players fit best into the kind of team I would like to see. Schneider is a right shot & Ottawa could use one & the coaching staff will need to figure out if Chabot needs a guy like this to play with him to allow him too attack the offensive zone while his partner hangs back. Whether it's Schneider or Grans makes no difference to me but Schneider is ranked higher.

Maybe one of these two guys could play on a shutdown 3rd pairing & get plenty of PK time. Maybe he's a better overall RD than the others they have & he fits nicely on the 2nd pairing rather than the top pairing or the 3rd. I'm looking at what the entire team needs, how all the pieces fit together & not just looking at which defenceman is better than the other defencemen, plenty of people on here do that, I don't. I look for the attributes I would like to see in a defenceman & what this team needs IMO which of course differs from most. Look at all the players I mentioned, it would probably create the biggest & toughest team in the NHL & that's what I would like to see along with some skill, basically a playoff team.

You need both. If you're focusing too much on team needs or some particular style predilection, you're going to end up picking inferior players. You must realize that to say "whether it is Grans or Schneider makes no difference" is f***ing insane. Forget about whether you agree with my assessment of the players, surely you understand that one is going to end up better than the other. Perhaps one ends up a top four defenseman and the other flops completely.

You don't address team needs or style preferences at the draft. You pick BPA, with some concessions to other factors when there's a close decision. By picking the best, most valuable players, you can later trade for needs or preferences.

 

[MatchesMalone]

He's averaged 15:15 through two playoff games (plus three mins of OT), up slightly on his 14:52 through five regular season games. A goal, an assist, and seven shots in two games so far.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

You think we just scout one team? So, presumably we knew we wanted to scout Zub for some reason and just followed his team rather than we were scouting the league and identified him as somebody to sign? Seems a bit backwards to me...

Anyways, Amirov would be a great choice with the NYI pick. Agree on that much.

i think we have a thin staff and lots of times they try to kill two birds with one stone