NHL Entry Draft 2020 NHL Draft Discussion - PART IV

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For sure there's a chance. Any of the rest of the top four could realistically go on to be the better than Lafreniere.

Much has been made of this point that Lafreniere is in a class of his own. But that's because of the combination of upside, NHL- certainty and -readiness.

Raymond and Stützle could be a couple years from NHL-ready, and Byfield probably takes a few years to come into his own in the NHL, and all three have risks involved, but nobody should be surprised if any of them end up better than Lafreniere.
even rossi has a chance considering he is arguably having a better season
 

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we have two player this list... its fantastic.. unreal..

1. lafre 2. byfield 3.stutzle 4. perfetti 5. raymond 6. holtz 7. rossi . 8 . lundell

if we out top 3... rossi or perfeti ( we need star C) and holtz or raymond... ( dont want lundell type forward)..

its worst case scenario..:)




p.s i dont want askarov or drysdale..



also islanders pick will be good if we draft mysak or amirov..
 

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Org need vs BPA . What are we targeting with our top 4?

OTT - Forward
SJ - Forward
NYI - ? F, D puck mover, D size ?
OTT - D with size
 

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alrght my ultimate draft fantasy (outside the top two picks)

we stay at 3 and 4.. we draft stutzle and Raymond.... Lundell drops to like 12-13.. pierre make the calls the islanders first and two seconds.. we pick up lundell.
 
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Biggest draft in Sens history. I would definitely attend if I lived in Ontario or Quebec.

I'm probably going with @Xspyrit. I have a friend who is a STH in montreal and he isn't interested in going to the draft.

He already sent me an email he received in which they told him that the ticket are primarely for the players, family and the NHL. The remaining ticket are going into a presale for the STH and then it's going to the other costumer.
 
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Org need vs BPA . What are we targeting with our top 4?

OTT - Forward
SJ - Forward
NYI - ? F, D puck mover, D size ?
OTT - D with size

I'm a BPA guy every time, there's just too much uncertainty to pass on someone to take a lesser prospect that fills a potential need, but having said that, imo our needs are the following:

1. Center - this is the big one, we need a top line stud center first and formost. We have lots of guys that look like #2 guys, and some have the potential to be a #1, but no sure things. Some of our current guys can shift to wing (Norris, White, Pinto) if we end up having too many good centers.

2. RW - After Batherson, we don't have another sure fire top 6 RW imo.

3. Physical two way Dman - We have lots of puck movers, but we don't have the mean physical all situation guy. This could slide up to our #2 need, but because we have lots of great D prospects it's mitigated but a physical two way stud would really diversify what we have and make our D group far more well rounded.


On another note, I wonder if we can snag Walinder with the NYI pick. He's not exactly the type of D the team needs, but I think he's a potential steal none the less if we get him ~20
 
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alrght my ultimate draft fantasy (outside the top two picks)

we stay at 3 and 4.. we draft stutzle and Raymond.... Lundell drops to like 12-13.. pierre make the calls the islanders first and two seconds.. we pick up lundell.

My ultimate draft fantasy is similar to yours but we trade up to get Holtz.

Imagine Holtz drops and we trade up to get him. Look at his stats:

Alexander Holtz at eliteprospects.com

Look at the goals column in each league/level of competition he has played.

Stutzle: a dynamic scoring centre
Raymond: a dynamic all-around winger
Holtz: A scoring phenom

Raymond-Stutzle-Holtz

Just like that, assembling potentially one of the best lines in hockey in a single round.
 

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My ultimate draft fantasy is similar to yours but we trade up to get Holtz.

Imagine Holtz drops and we trade up to get him. Look at his stats:

Alexander Holtz at eliteprospects.com

Look at the goals column in each league/level of competition he has played.

Stutzle: a dynamic scoring centre
Raymond: a dynamic all-around winger
Holtz: A scoring phenom

Raymond-Stutzle-Holtz

Just like that, assembling potentially one of the best lines in hockey in a single round.
I doubt he drops but yeah wouldn't mind him with our third first if possible.. I wouldn't take him with our first two
 

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I doubt he drops but yeah wouldn't mind him with our third first if possible.. I wouldn't take him with our first two

If we are 3rd or 4th, no. But if we are like 3rd and 7th, ya I would.

Laf, Stutzle, Byfield, Raymond, Drysdale are only ones I pick ahead of him for sure.

I think theres a better chance we pick:

Raymond + Holtz and then trade up for Lundell actually.
 

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I'm a BPA guy every time, there's just too much uncertainty to pass on someone to take a lesser prospect that fills a potential need, but having said that, imo our needs are the following:

1. Center - this is the big one, we need a top line stud center first and formost. We have lots of guys that look like #2 guys, and some have the potential to be a #1, but no sure things. Some of our current guys can shift to wing (Norris, White, Pinto) if we end up having too many good centers.

2. RW - After Batherson, we don't have another sure fire top 6 RW imo.

3. Physical two way Dman - We have lots of puck movers, but we don't have the mean physical all situation guy. This could slide up to our #2 need, but because we have lots of great D prospects it's mitigated but a physical two way stud would really diversify what we have and make our D group far more well rounded.


On another note, I wonder if we can snag Walinder with the NYI pick. He's not exactly the type of D the team needs, but I think he's a potential steal none the less if we get him ~20

That’s my feeling ... outside the top ten the top D prospects feel like puck movers. Using BPA at the NYI pick may offer a puck mover vs a physical dman. We are heavily stocked with puck movers (TC, CW, EB, JBD, LT) and LT may represent our most physical dman prospect.
 

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If we are 3rd or 4th, no. But if we are like 3rd and 7th, ya I would.

Laf, Stutzle, Byfield, Raymond, Drysdale are only ones I pick ahead of him for sure.

I think theres a better chance we pick:

Raymond + Holtz and then trade up for Lundell actually.
yeah I had lundell in that three spot because I think he has the biggest drop potential
 

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Pick our top 2 rated guys in the top round, I feel more comfortable taking Drysdale now with the extra 1st, with more high end forwards available mid late 1st than D.

3rd-4th - Stutzle/Raymond
5th-9th- Holtz/Perfetti/Drysdale/Rossi/Lundell
16th-23rd - Mysak/Amirov/Bourque/Wallinder
33th-35th - Brisson/Villeneuve/Reichel/Guhle
 
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Pick our top 2 rated guys in the top round, I feel more comfortable taking Drysdale now with the extra 1st, with more high end forwards available mid late 1st than D.

3rd-4th - Stutzle/Raymond
5th-9th- Holtz/Perfetti/Drysdale/Rossi/Lundell
16th-23rd - Mysak/Amirov/Bourque/Wallinder
33th-35th - Brisson/Villeneuve/Reichel/Guhle

I could live with a Raymond, Drysdale, Mysak type first round.
 
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Pick our top 2 rated guys in the top round, I feel more comfortable taking Drysdale now with the extra 1st, with more high end forwards available mid late 1st than D.

3rd-4th - Stutzle/Raymond
5th-9th- Holtz/Perfetti/Drysdale/Rossi/Lundell
16th-23rd - Mysak/Amirov/Bourque/Wallinder
33th-35th - Brisson/Villeneuve/Reichel/Guhle

One from each of those groups would probably be our best drafts to date and we'd still have another 9 picks to make...
 

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Pick our top 2 rated guys in the top round, I feel more comfortable taking Drysdale now with the extra 1st, with more high end forwards available mid late 1st than D.

3rd-4th - Stutzle/Raymond
5th-9th- Holtz/Perfetti/Drysdale/Rossi/Lundell
16th-23rd - Mysak/Amirov/Bourque/Wallinder
33th-35th - Brisson/Villeneuve/Reichel/Guhle

Yup, will be very hard not to pick Drysdale, especially if we already landed Stutzle/Raymond. A RHD RD who looks like a star all-around defender. Our defense will be set for a decade.

Use the next 3-4 picks on forwards

Chabot-Drysdale
Brannstrom-JBD
Wolanin-Thomson

I think it's very important we land a top 4 pick. Someone else said there isn't a dip after 4 but I disagree.

Laf is unanimous. Byfield/Stutzle/Raymond are next tier and then the rest are another tier right below.

Stutlze has the highest PPG among any U26 forward in his league. Read that again and he just turned 18. The next highest PPG among his draft peers is Lukas Reichel at .59 while Stutzle is .84 Significant difference.
 
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saying all this, I dont trust the scope of our scouting staff. like what are the chances we draft a kid out of Germany? I would say zero. like im sure weve had the time to go look at ramond and holz but other guys? probably not? Amirov in Russian? probably not. im expecting our first pick to be one of the well know guys and every pick after that will be off the boardish types that one of our scouts keyed in on.
 

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Biggest draft in Sens history. I would definitely attend if I lived in Ontario or Quebec.
biggest event/ thing in Sens history...

like for me it goes
1) being awarded the franchise
2)This draft
3) the yashin trade
4) the hossa trade (massive event with bad consequences)
 

Tuna99

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Good chance the top 2 picks we make this year might not be the best players we draft in 2020. My guess is the use those 2nd’s to move up in the top 5 to get a targeted player (ie move 5 to 4) because Dorian loves moving up in drafts. So we won’t have as many picks as are on the board, but still we’ll have lots of picks.

but with all those extra picks and them being able to look for some homerun diamond in the rough type players like Stone, could be a good bet they find a a late bloomer. Staff seems to target late blooomers
 

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saying all this, I dont trust the scope of our scouting staff. like what are the chances we draft a kid out of Germany? I would say zero. like im sure weve had the time to go look at ramond and holz but other guys? probably not? Amirov in Russian? probably not. im expecting our first pick to be one of the well know guys and every pick after that will be off the boardish types that one of our scouts keyed in on.

We've been scouting Zub enough to be considered a top candidate to sign him, I imagine whoever is doing that has taken the time to scout a high profile 1st round prospect while he's in the area.

We were super high on Sieder last year, not sure why Stutzle would be any different in terms of willingness to get out and scout him.
 

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saying all this, I dont trust the scope of our scouting staff. like what are the chances we draft a kid out of Germany? I would say zero. like im sure weve had the time to go look at ramond and holz but other guys? probably not? Amirov in Russian? probably not. im expecting our first pick to be one of the well know guys and every pick after that will be off the boardish types that one of our scouts keyed in on.
I would almost guarantee that Dorion himself has scouted all the guys in the top 10 in this draft
 

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saying all this, I dont trust the scope of our scouting staff. like what are the chances we draft a kid out of Germany? I would say zero. like im sure weve had the time to go look at ramond and holz but other guys? probably not? Amirov in Russian? probably not. im expecting our first pick to be one of the well know guys and every pick after that will be off the boardish types that one of our scouts keyed in on.
Well the Sens were very high on Seider last year from what I've been told, so not sure why that would change this year.

The Sens actually have a presence in Russia this year for the first time in a long time.
 
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