HF Habs: 2020 Montreal Canadiens Off-Season Thread part 3

[Captain Mountain]

Really? I thought he was from MTL as well.

Bah... Maritimes people actually are pretty big Habs fans as well for the major part.

He was born in NS, he grew up in Montreal.

 

[Habs Icing]

ONE season, not seasons. It was his rookie year too, when defenders were learning his habits.

Actually, it was his sophomore year but yeah your point stands. Something tells me Laine is a 35 goal a year player.

 

[The Real Timo]

Drouin, Tatar, Danault, Domi, Armia, Byron, Vanek, Shaw, Fleischmann...

Is this to support or counter my post?

 

[Captain Mountain]

I remember when this was discussed last week when he brought it up. I also remember other accountants and agents stated his information is somewhat flawed and that players who play in the States have a similar tax work around which they take advantage of as well.

It's been beaten to death and really the only people that can answer it is accountants in this specific field and certain employees of the CRA

Programs in the US work similarly, but both reduce the income tax concern. Programs like that are generally more beneficial for teams in higher tax jurisdictions. It flattens the playing field and makes things more equal.

The point is that the income tax disparities in the league are greatly overstated.

 

[Treb]

Is this to support or counter my post?

Are any of them 4th line plug that scores 2 goals?

 

[CauZuki]

ONE season, not seasons. It was his rookie year too, when defenders were learning his habits.

36 in 73 in his first that's a 40 goal pace in his rookie season , he scored 40+ in his sophomore season. This season he developed another asset of his game (his playmaking) and I'm not ready to say the league has figured him out and he's peaked as a 22 year old.

 

[nyhabsfan]

Our biggest need is on the wings, RW being the worst area.

After Gallagher and Armia, we have really no talent left.... Weal is a 4th liner at best!

I'd want to go after Dandonov as the UFA we need to sign

Move up in the draft with picks, prospects into the top 10 to go after Raymond or Holtz, Jarvis or Quinn.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Well, there it is..

Bobby Ryan on a cheap contract to address 'size and scoring'

 

[The Great Weal]

Bobby Ryan skates like he is 8ft tall. I'll definitely pass.

 

[Treb]

Well, there it is..

Bobby Ryan on a cheap contract to address 'size and scoring'

Wouldn't be against it if we didn't already have Armia. Would be disappointing if he is the one we put on 2RW. Although if he signs around 1 million he could fight Armia for 3/4RW and we could still sign another top6 RW.

Tatar - Suzuki - Gallagher
Drouin - KK/Danault - Dadonov/Hoffman/Toffoli/Rakell
Lehkonen/Byron - KK/Danault - Armia/Ryan
Lehkonen/Byron - Evans - Armia/Ryan
Weal
Call-up options: Belzile, Hudon or replacement, Blandisi or replacement, Poehling ( )

That's deep.

 

[Kents polished head]

Great news. Kovy will offically be on the market and available to come back!

Kovalchuk serait libre de tester le marché

I swear...

 

[EXPOS123]

It's hopeless. It's what i've been saying for years. No impact free agent is gonna come here (not that there are any anyways outside of Pietrangelo and Hall) and no one is gonna trade us a young, gifted offensive player with size when everyone is looking for that, especially given how teams want younger players to save on the cap.

I'd rather this clown of a gm try to save his ammo and ues the excess picks and guys like Domi, Poehling or Lehks to add to our first rounder to move up in the draft.

I'd also wish he would simply rebuild and trade Price, Weber and Gallagher or use our cap space to take on a bad contract if we can get a top prospect out of it.

Sadly, that will never happen, so expect another 5 years of the same boring garbage team.

 

[sheed36]

Well, there it is..

Bobby Ryan on a cheap contract to address 'size and scoring'

And also Kovalchuk and the run for 9th in the east is then on baby.

 

[Deebs]

Programs in the US work similarly, but both reduce the income tax concern. Programs like that are generally more beneficial for teams in higher tax jurisdictions. It flattens the playing field and makes things more equal.

The point is that the income tax disparities in the league are greatly overstated.

The players and the majority of agents don't seem to agree with you. It is an issue otherwise there'd be no talk of it.

What can we do though

 

[Captain Mountain]

The point is, the players and the majority of agents don't seem to agree with you. It is an issue otherwise there'd be no talk of it.

I don't particularly care if you believe me or not, but I can tell you that you're dead wrong if you think the players and the majority of agents don't seem to agree with me.

Hell, look at relative contracts of comparable players and it doesn't make much sense.

You want to complain about Montreal's inability to sign UFAs? Look at the teams consistent mediocrity, the insane media coverage, lack of access to certain products and the climate. Income Taxes are a vastly overstated reason.

 

[Treb]

Legally Speaking: Why State Income Tax Doesn’t Matter to Free Agents

 

[Deebs]

I don't particularly care if you believe me or not, but I can tell you that you're dead wrong if you think the players and the majority of agents don't seem to agree with me.

Hell, look at relative contracts of comparable players and it doesn't make much sense.

You want to complain about Montreal's inability to sign UFAs? Look at the teams consistent mediocrity, the insane media coverage, lack of access to certain products and the climate. Income Taxes are a vastly overstated reason.

Thanks for the chat

 

[Vachon23]

I prefer Ryan then Kovalchuk if we are going with the cheap option

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Legally Speaking: Why State Income Tax Doesn’t Matter to Free Agents

And the Canadian Fed income rate is 6% under US Fed.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I don't particularly care if you believe me or not, but I can tell you that you're dead wrong if you think the players and the majority of agents don't seem to agree with me.

Hell, look at relative contracts of comparable players and it doesn't make much sense.

You want to complain about Montreal's inability to sign UFAs? Look at the teams consistent mediocrity, the insane media coverage, lack of access to certain products and the climate. Income Taxes are a vastly overstated reason.

People are projecting their own hate of our provincial tax unto the players, not realizing it's far from the same game.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Legally Speaking: Why State Income Tax Doesn’t Matter to Free Agents

This should definitely close the debate...

...but it won't

 

[The Real Timo]

Are any of them 4th line plug that scores 2 goals?

In case of Drouin I'd rate him as even worse than a 4th line plug. My example was for illustration purposes only but sure...let's take it literally.
The point is that Bergevin in his 8 years failed to acquire any premium scoring talent - and no... I don't consider an of the names you mentioned as "premium scoring talent".

 

[Adam Michaels]

Updated the OP with the signing of Blandisi:

 

[Adam Michaels]

Updated the OP with the Petry extension:

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Updated the OP with the Petry extension:

No thread for the Petry signing?

He'll be close to 38 when the contract will end.

Im willing to bet he'll stay on par for only half that contract.

What's the cap hit?