OT: 2020 Football Thread: We Still Suck

[NYSPORTS]

looking back, it was a shit draft in the top 10, so its not like the guy taken 3rd or 4th would have been drastically better. And you cant say "well, they should have taken Lamar Jackson" when he was a 32nd pick.

Many wanted Josh Allen and Nick Chubb. Both were right there. I didn’t want Barkley and was skeptical of Allen yet loved his arm. Was he a Kent Graham with a little touch? Wasn’t sure. I definitely wanted Chubb in Round 2.

Flash forward - Allen and Chubb look great while Barkley is injured and Hernandez might get cut after being benched. The GM is a 70 year old stubborn dinosaur. Wouldn’t be shocked if he loses DT Tomlinson and uses his #1 pick for his replacement. No progress Dave.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Thank you for the contribution. He's a bad GM for a bad team. Like I said they were a month ago and was told I was wrong and they were actually good after beating the Seahawks.

You're always right, our resident genius.

 

[bbny]

Many wanted Josh Allen and Nick Chubb. Both were right there. I didn’t want Barkley and was skeptical of Allen yet loved his arm. Was he a Kent Graham with a little touch? Wasn’t sure. I definitely wanted Chubb in Round 2.

Flash forward - Allen and Chubb look great while Barkley is injured and Hernandez might get cut after being benched. The GM is a 70 year old stubborn dinosaur. Wouldn’t be shocked if he loses DT Tomlinson and uses his #1 pick for his replacement. No progress Dave.

There was zero talk of Josh Allen at #2. It was Darnold or Barkley. You are talking with the pure privilege of hindsight. If Darnold was what Allen is today, you'd have a case.

 

[TheTimTamSlammerMan]

Nostradamus!!!! Not lol

literally couldn’t have been more wrong lmao.

 

[NYSPORTS]

There was zero talk of Josh Allen at #2. It was Darnold or Barkley. You are talking with the pure privilege of hindsight. If Darnold was what Allen is today, you'd have a case.

The only privilege is some posters play a hindsight card while giving themselves a pass by demonstrating the inability to recall. I can recall what i posted.

There was all this talk about Darnold, Allen & Rosen b/c Eli was said to be done. Qb dominated the headlines. I clearly posted i wasn’t sure if he was a Kent Graham with a little touch.
2018 NFL Mock Draft: Giants move up a spot for Josh Allen, Browns decide not to take Barkley

Hindsight? How does this look from the Top 10 teams from that draft?

Cleveland, Cleveland 2 picks - Playoffs
Giants - nothing
Jets - nothing
Denver - nothing
Indy - playoffs
Buffalo - playoffs
Chicago - playoffs
49ers - went to Super Bowl (many injuries and cap this year)
Az - picked #1 again and just missed playoffs

Keep in mind After 10 was Miami, Tampa, Washington and New Orleans, followed by the Raiders. All those teams have been more successful

By all means, what do you see going forward?

What’s your plan at DT? Signing both DT or let one go and draft yet another? Progress? What’s your take before you play that hindsight card again?

Barkley’s 5th year option?

Find a WR besides the waiver wire?

What do you do with Hernandez?

Engram for $6 million?

How did Becton and Wirfs look at OT compared to Thomas?

6 win is a lot of progress? Share the next steps like some of us have previously which some now consider hindsight. Last person i challenged to this claimed they didn’t work in an NFL front office yet ironically had every foresight answer which all happened to be wrong.

Your move and i do look forward to a debate for solutions.

 

[bernmeister]

Many wanted Josh Allen and Nick Chubb. Both were right there. I didn’t want Barkley and was skeptical of Allen yet loved his arm. Was he a Kent Graham with a little touch? Wasn’t sure. I definitely wanted Chubb in Round 2.

Flash forward - Allen and Chubb look great while Barkley is injured and Hernandez might get cut after being benched. The GM is a 70 year old stubborn dinosaur. Wouldn’t be shocked if he loses DT Tomlinson and uses his #1 pick for his replacement. No progress Dave.

There was zero talk of Josh Allen at #2. It was Darnold or Barkley. You are talking with the pure privilege of hindsight. If Darnold was what Allen is today, you'd have a case.

Although at the time he was viewed as the greater risk, I wanted Josh Allen for the Jets.

Conventional wisdom is not 100%

 

[East Coast Bias]

looking back, it was a shit draft in the top 10, so its not like the guy taken 3rd or 4th would have been drastically better. And you cant say "well, they should have taken Lamar Jackson" when he was a 32nd pick.

wait what?

Two starting solid OL in Nelson and McGlinchy. Chubb is a solid Edge. Ward starting CB. Smith a starting ILB.

Allen and Darnold which I’ll give you isn’t a guarantee either does as well or better with the giants.

Rosen sucks

There’s 1 of 10 that’s bad.

 

[nyr2k2]

Although at the time he was viewed as the greater risk, I wanted Josh Allen for the Jets.

Conventional wisdom is not 100%

I understand wanting Allen, however, I strongly doubt he would be what he is currently had he been drafted by the Jets. Darnold is literally no better today, three full years after he was drafted. The Jets cannot develop QBs. Allen was a guy who needed development. I don't think we would have been able to do it.

Conversely, had Darnold gone to Buffalo, he's probably playing at a high level right now.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Welp, Browns gonna Browns.

 

[SA16]

You're always right, our resident genius.

Thank you

 

[Hunter Gathers]

https://nypost.com/2021/01/04/giants-make-big-decision-on-dave-gettleman/

Gettleman stays, and it's deserved. He made very good personnel and roster changes last offseason, and it showed in the team's progress this year. He brought in the right coach. He brought in several free agents that have done well for this team. Looking forward to next season. It will likely be a make or break year for Gettleman and perhaps even Daniel Jones.

Gettleman didn't have f*** all to do with Judge. He also claimed to have f*** all to do with Shurmur. You cannot sit there and give him credit for coaching when he throws Shurmur under the bus and distances himself from any decision making in the coaching staff.

Don't even try to pull that bullshit.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Gettleman drafted a RB 2 overall. That's really all you need to know about him as a GM.

I didn't like the pick when it happened (wanted Darnold), but you really, really need to trade down if Barkley is your target. Even if it's just a small move a couple of spots. The value at the RB position just isn't there anymore. AP is the last high RB pick to show any kind of longevity, and that was 13 years ago. Even he wasn't a Top-5 pick, let alone 2nd overall (he was 7th).

Most guys who are monsters at the position can't find a job 3 or 4 years later.

 

[bernmeister]

I understand wanting Allen, however, I strongly doubt he would be what he is currently had he been drafted by the Jets. Darnold is literally no better today, three full years after he was drafted. The Jets cannot develop QBs. Allen was a guy who needed development. I don't think we would have been able to do it.

Conversely, had Darnold gone to Buffalo, he's probably playing at a high level right now.

111% agree every word.
Just saying, while how polished a guy is and that has to be considered as to how fast he is ready, you need to consider potential upside.

Allen has signif potential upside mo than Darnold and has proven it.

What's done is done.

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Jets pick 34OA in 2nd round

Garropolo [sp?] is 2nd largest amount of $ that actually gets paid out next year, at like 25ish.

SF 1st 2021 + McGlinchy + SF 2022 1sr [top 10 protected] + Jimmy G 12m retained
for
Darnold [cheap next yr] + SEA 2021 1st + NYJ 2021 2nd

Niners move back in 1st, but get a high 2nd now vs next yr
Darnold as a project
save 13m in cap space/expense

 

[sbjnyc]

Jets pick 34OA in 2nd round

Garropolo [sp?] is 2nd largest amount of $ that actually gets paid out next year, at like 25ish.

SF 1st 2021 + McGlinchy + SF 2022 1sr [top 10 protected] + Jimmy G 12m retained
for
Darnold [cheap next yr] + SEA 2021 1st + NYJ 2021 2nd

Niners move back in 1st, but get a high 2nd now vs next yr
Darnold as a project
save 13m in cap space/expense

Do the Jets really want Jimmy G? He has a $27 million cap hit the next 2 years. And I can't imagine the 49ers would want to replace him with Darnold. Be that as it may, Jimmy G has no guaranteed money for next year so it's just $2.8 million cash. Salaries can't be retained in the NFL like you can in the NHL or MLB without restructuring the contract (as far as I understand).

 

[NYSPORTS]

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Jets pick 34OA in 2nd round

Garropolo [sp?] is 2nd largest amount of $ that actually gets paid out next year, at like 25ish.

SF 1st 2021 + McGlinchy + SF 2022 1sr [top 10 protected] + Jimmy G 12m retained
for
Darnold [cheap next yr] + SEA 2021 1st + NYJ 2021 2nd

Niners move back in 1st, but get a high 2nd now vs next yr
Darnold as a project
save 13m in cap space/expense

the 49ers can cut Jimmy G and save $24 million. The dead money would be only $2.8 million.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Evan Engram Pro Bowl haunting video -

This Short Film Of Evan Engram's Lowlights From The 2020 Season Is A Haunting Masterpiece

Hilarious

 

[2Leetch_94]

Evan Engram Pro Bowl haunting video -

This Short Film Of Evan Engram's Lowlights From The 2020 Season Is A Haunting Masterpiece

Hilarious

Best piece of film making I've seen since the season six finale of Game of Thrones.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Gettleman didn't have f*** all to do with Judge. He also claimed to have f*** all to do with Shurmur. You cannot sit there and give him credit for coaching when he throws Shurmur under the bus and distances himself from any decision making in the coaching staff.

Don't even try to pull that bullshit.

Everything bad he's responsible for, the good things had nothing to do with.

 

[bbny]

Gettleman didn't have f*** all to do with Judge. He also claimed to have f*** all to do with Shurmur. You cannot sit there and give him credit for coaching when he throws Shurmur under the bus and distances himself from any decision making in the coaching staff.

Don't even try to pull that bullshit.

Were you too young to see and enjoy the Super Bowl wins against the Pats? I'd feel your angst if so, having been stuck in this misery since 2012. Otherwise, you just sound like a petulant child.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Were you too young to see and enjoy the Super Bowl wins against the Pats? I'd feel your angst if so, having been stuck in this misery since 2012. Otherwise, you just sound like a petulant child.

It's been miserable and a Super Bowl 9 years ago feels like 50 years ago. That said he still sounds like a petulant child. Everything bad is because of Gettleman, everything good is because of Mara.

 

[bbny]

Although at the time he was viewed as the greater risk, I wanted Josh Allen for the Jets.

Conventional wisdom is not 100%

I am not talking about <1% of random fans online who claim one thing or another. If you did, great. The Jets also didn't pick #2. They, and you, perhaps had to figure Darnold might be off the board. Nobody prominent in the profession was talking about Allen at 2.

 

[bernmeister]

Do the Jets really want Jimmy G? He has a $27 million cap hit the next 2 years. And I can't imagine the 49ers would want to replace him with Darnold. Be that as it may, Jimmy G has no guaranteed money for next year so it's just $2.8 million cash. Salaries can't be retained in the NFL like you can in the NHL or MLB without restructuring the contract (as far as I understand).

Jets DON'T want Jimmy G BUT they DO want both the OT [who was picked what, like 12OA 2 yrs ago?] and flip of picks.
Expensive, but a reasonable gamble.

 

[SA16]

Jets DON'T want Jimmy G BUT they DO want both the OT [who was picked what, like 12OA 2 yrs ago?] and flip of picks.
Expensive, but a reasonable gamble.

It’s not reasonable

 

[bbny]

It's been miserable and a Super Bowl 9 years ago feels like 50 years ago. That said he still sounds like a petulant child. Everything bad is because of Gettleman, everything good is because of Mara.

Yeah, it feels like a long time, and it's been a rough stretch for the Giants, but perspective is everything. The Browns went twice as long without even having made the playoffs

 

[bbny]

The only privilege is some posters play a hindsight card while giving themselves a pass by demonstrating the inability to recall. I can recall what i posted.

There was all this talk about Darnold, Allen & Rosen b/c Eli was said to be done. Qb dominated the headlines. I clearly posted i wasn’t sure if he was a Kent Graham with a little touch.
2018 NFL Mock Draft: Giants move up a spot for Josh Allen, Browns decide not to take Barkley

Hindsight? How does this look from the Top 10 teams from that draft?

Cleveland, Cleveland 2 picks - Playoffs
Giants - nothing
Jets - nothing
Denver - nothing
Indy - playoffs
Buffalo - playoffs
Chicago - playoffs
49ers - went to Super Bowl (many injuries and cap this year)
Az - picked #1 again and just missed playoffs

Keep in mind After 10 was Miami, Tampa, Washington and New Orleans, followed by the Raiders. All those teams have been more successful

By all means, what do you see going forward?

What’s your plan at DT? Signing both DT or let one go and draft yet another? Progress? What’s your take before you play that hindsight card again?

Barkley’s 5th year option?

Find a WR besides the waiver wire?

What do you do with Hernandez?

Engram for $6 million?

How did Becton and Wirfs look at OT compared to Thomas?

6 win is a lot of progress? Share the next steps like some of us have previously which some now consider hindsight. Last person i challenged to this claimed they didn’t work in an NFL front office yet ironically had every foresight answer which all happened to be wrong.

Your move and i do look forward to a debate for solutions.

I see a lot of young players that need a little bit of time, and a team that was competitive this year in most games. I counted only two clunkers, SF and Arizona, and one lackluster performance with an injured Jones against Baltimore. Defining success for a rebuilding team isn't to make the playoffs right away. It isn't that simple. This was essentially year one of the rebuild post-Eli Manning. It doesn't happen overnight.

I'm more concerned with finding an Edge rather than trying to sign both Tomlinson and Williams. The focus should be on keeping Williams if they are in a position cap wise after other moves to only choose one. I would guess there will be higher expectations out of Dexter Lawrence next season.

At WR I suspect Tate isn't here next year, and they will be after Golladay or draft a WR.

I don't see Engram being here next season. This dude is the opposite of how to play the right way. He's an anti-Judge player in my opinion. We'll see.

Becton and Wirfs both looked better than Thomas, but I'll withhold judgement of the pick for 2-3 seasons. Wirfs also played RT, so it's not one to one.

6 wins is an improvement from 3,5,4 the last 3 years, but it's not just about total wins. It's about how they look in their losses as well. Are they competing? Yes. Are the majority of losses close games? Yes. Did those close losses actually feel like games that could have been reasonably won? Mostly, yes.

Gettleman was aces in free agency last offseason. Here's to hoping it's another good one. That with some more progression out of Jones can flip us into a 10-6 team rather than 6-10.