OT: 2020 Football Thread: We Still Suck

[Ghost of jas]

There's never a guarantee and tanking to go from 9 to 6 is comical, but still it's more likely it'll be a better player.

There are countless examples of that not being the case.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

There are countless examples of that not being the case.

Dude, I said more likely not guaranteed. A higher pick is always more likely to be good. Exceptions aren't the rule.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

One thing I’ll defend Jones on is outside of Slayton, the receivers just don’t get separation. Every pass has to be perfect, and even then his guys don’t always make a clear play on the ball (AHEM Engram). Getting him another receiver who can go up and make plays has to be a priority.

 

[mrmovies779]

Although I see talent for Darnold to be a good QB, I have taken all his critics notes to heart, and re-evaluated; while it is a correctable flaw, his decision making vis a vis interceptions has to go.

I remain ADAMANT that we take Sewell at 2.
I do not nec want to risk a high pick guy who is not a virtual guarantee, like Laurence,
We MUST take Sewell at 2, he will not fall.

Here is what I propose, listen carefully NYJ braintrust:

1. Draft Sewell at 2OA

2. Do
Darnold + Seattle 2021 1st + NYJ 2022 1st (unprotected)
for
Wentz + PHI 2021 1st [=6OA]

Eagles get enough upside and profit, move on from Wentz and his $ which is another 3 years. Get Darnold cheap for a yr to see if more than a stopgap. Still pick 1st round, get a pick next year, which could be a good one.

Jets grab Sewell do not suffer opportunity cost taking a QB instead. Can see who is available at 6; can look at a team like SF at 14 that may give up starting OT + 1st rounder + to move up to 6. We can draft a guy mid 1st or even later and groom him into a starter. Wentz we can work with, or deal with retaining if we need him off the roster.

somethin like dat^!

Eagles love Hurts,they don't trade for Sam while also throwing in the #6 pick.Not sure the Jets do this either..Wentz's best days are behind him and he's also older.Makes more sense for the Jets to keep Sam.3 more years on that Wentz contract is pretty rough too.

 

[NYSPORTS]

There are countless examples of that not being the case.

especially since 2012 when John Mara took over as President/CEO.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Darnold + Seattle 2021 1st + NYJ 2022 1st (unprotected)
for
Wentz + PHI 2021 1st [=6OA]

Eagles get enough upside and profit, move on from Wentz and his $ which is another 3 years. Get Darnold cheap for a yr to see if more than a stopgap. Still pick 1st round, get a pick next year, which could be a good one.
^!

Doubt either team wants that

The Jets can draft a QB or resign Darnold - Trading for Wentz, who is a question mark, includes yearly salaries of $34 $31, $36, $32 million through 2024. Just draft a QB at#2. At least the QB played this year whereas Sewell hasn’t even played.

The Eagles have a monster cap hit if they cut Wentz and approx $33 million in dead money if they trade him. Add in their high pick too and hope for 2022 i don’t see happening. They clearly tanked for that better pick and i’m guessing it’s for a player more than a trade.

Overall, the Jets are in a good spot. I think going Wentz is a worse spot. Philly is in trouble regardless. Why bail them out?

 

[NYSPORTS]

Jets should go QB or trade that pick IMO.

Why are the Titans, Colts, Bucs, Bills, etc winning? It’s the Quarterback. Yes, there are the Falcons and a few others but it’s a QB league.

The Titans, Colts, etc have very strong offensive lines yet w/o the QB they flop.

For all the Sewell talk, and he is intriguing, how many more games do the Jets win with him? Becton was awesome yet the Jets only won two games. Add Sewell means what? 4 games? Big picture, down the road? W/O the QB it doesn’t matter as i see it. The Colts are the perfect example IMO. Nelson went #6 overall and they built a great OL. Without the QB, they couldn’t move. And the Colts have issues. Rivers is practically done. They need a QB

 

[Maximus]

So who do you want to coach the Jets?

I've said for well over a month now and as recently as last night when news of Gase was history, that I like Joe Brady as my #1 choice.

He gives off a Sean McVay type of vibe as he's innovative offensively and what I really like is he knows how to work with QB's and make them better.(ie...Burrow at LSU and even Bridgewater in Carolina this year played well). He would breath some fresh life into this cursed franchise of ours that sorely needs it.

Also due to his very young age...I think he's 32, it would make working under Douglas likely quite seamless as you wouldn't have a situation where Brady would need to have full control type of thingie. Brady would need to bring in a Gregg Williams type(not him...lol) to run the defense but still get involved in what they were doing.

I also would have no issues with Brian Dabol, Lincoln Riley, Aurthur Smith and yes even Eric Bienemy. Brady tho is my top choice and I would be crossing my fingers that we'd be lucky enough to have him want to come here as well.

 

[Maximus]

Jets should go QB or trade that pick IMO.

Why are the Titans, Colts, Bucs, Bills, etc winning? It’s the Quarterback. Yes, there are the Falcons and a few others but it’s a QB league.

The Titans, Colts, etc have very strong offensive lines yet w/o the QB they flop.

For all the Sewell talk, and he is intriguing, how many more games do the Jets win with him? Becton was awesome yet the Jets only won two games. Add Sewell means what? 4 games? Big picture, down the road? W/O the QB it doesn’t matter as i see it. The Colts are the perfect example IMO. Nelson went #6 overall and they built a great OL. Without the QB, they couldn’t move. And the Colts have issues. Rivers is practically done. They need a QB

I'm on record saying I want the Jets to take Sewell at #2 and if they can get a haul from a team that wants one of the QB's than you have to consider doing it. I wouldn't want to move down alot but if you can move to 5-7 area, the Jets could get a motherload and be able to draft one of the stud WR's...Smith or Chase or if let's say Wilson is there around that area, maybe you take him.

It really depends upon who Douglas decides will be the next coach. Douglas and the new coach...lets say it's Brady as I hope and pray it will be, well if they think Darnold could be resorected with additional weaponry, better O-line play and obviously better coaching, well so long as they both are in agreement, than that's the route you take.

If Douglas and Brady don't think Darnold is the guy to go forward with, well than you probably do take a Wilson instead of one of the stud WR's. It really all comes down to who is the next coach what the Jets will end up doing whether it's taking Sewell, trading down or potentially even taking on of the QB's at #2.

Going to be a fascinating offseason that's for damn sure here in Jetland.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I'm on record saying I want the Jets to take Sewell at #2 and if they can get a haul from a team that

define a “haul”. Swap #1 and obtain multiple #2? That’s what the cost for Darnold was. Anybody who mentions “a Hershall Walker deal” isn’t going to get it nor would they likely hit on the picks and make as many trades as Jimmy Johnson did b/c he knew all the college kids from his days in Miami.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Guess we can put to rest the notion that the Jags job is the best job around

 

[Maximus]

define a “haul”. Swap #1 and obtain multiple #2? That’s what the cost of Darnold was. Anybody who mentions “a Hershall Walker deal” isn’t going to get it nor would they likely hit on the picks and make as many trades as Jimmy Johnson did b/c he knew all the college kids from his days in Miami.

We've went thru this before. We are talking an RGIII type of haul. Obviously you swap 2021 #1 picks. You than garner multiple #1 picks spread out over a few years and a #2 in 2021 or #3 or both along the way. Some kind of combination along those lines.

There is that draft pick thingie that they got which does all the valuations of draft picks and such. I have not a doubt the Jets would get a haul if they went from 2 to say 5-7...no doubt!

 

[NYSPORTS]

We've went thru this before. We are talking an RGIII type of haul. Obviously you swap 2021 #1 picks. You than garner multiple #1 picks spread out of a few years and a #2 or #3. Some kind of combination along those lines.

You need a stupid Redskin owner AND you have to hit on the picks. Darnold didn’t even cost that much.

Swap #1’s with, say Cincy and get a #2 this year and next year. Do you do it? Your competition is now a growing Miami team, reloading Pats team and a powerhouse in the coming with Buffalo. The Jets need players. Does Sewell close the gap and build the foundation to the point your divisional opponents don’t pull away?

 

[Maximus]

you’re not getting an RGIII haul unless you find a stupid Redskin owner.


Swap #1’s with, say Cincy and get a #2 this year and next year. Do you do it? Your competition is now a growing Miami team, reloading Pats team and a powerhouse in the coming with Buffalo. The Jets need players. Does Sewell close the gap and build the foundation to the point your divisional opponents don’t pull away?

You would be wrong. Eagles gave up a ton to move up to pick Carson Wentz. No one ever accused them or their front office of being dumb. Yeah now it doesn't look all too savvy but in order to move up to the 2 spot with the Browns, the Eagles gave up their 2016 No. 8 overall pick, 2016 third-round pick, 2016 fourth-round pick, 2017 first-round pick, 2018 second-round pick.

That's the price of doing business if a team perceives that they will be picking the next franchise QB. So if the Jets don't think Fields or Wilson are franchise QB's and some other team does, Douglas will undoubtedly get a haul...period end of story...it's just the way it is!

 

[Leonardo87]

No Fitz to save Miami. They’re done. Do they wanna trade their two 1sts for our 2nd OA.

Was not a good day, am still upset. But the #3OA is giving me some hope for the future, could see them trading down to be honest. Going 10-6 and still missing the playoffs, where Washington is 7-9 and make the playoffs, reminds me of what a joke this league is. So glad hockey is back.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Was not a good day, am still upset. But the #3OA is giving me some hope for the future, could see them trading down to be honest. Going 10-6 and still missing the playoffs, where Washington is 7-9 and make the playoffs, reminds me of what a joke this league is. So glad hockey is back.

If they end up with Sewell at 3, they’ll be golden. Not a lot of good teams have the draft capital they have this year.

 

[sbjnyc]

Although I see talent for Darnold to be a good QB, I have taken all his critics notes to heart, and re-evaluated; while it is a correctable flaw, his decision making vis a vis interceptions has to go.

I remain ADAMANT that we take Sewell at 2.
I do not nec want to risk a high pick guy who is not a virtual guarantee, like Laurence,
We MUST take Sewell at 2, he will not fall.

Here is what I propose, listen carefully NYJ braintrust:

1. Draft Sewell at 2OA

2. Do
Darnold + Seattle 2021 1st + NYJ 2022 1st (unprotected)
for
Wentz + PHI 2021 1st [=6OA]

Eagles get enough upside and profit, move on from Wentz and his $ which is another 3 years. Get Darnold cheap for a yr to see if more than a stopgap. Still pick 1st round, get a pick next year, which could be a good one.

Jets grab Sewell do not suffer opportunity cost taking a QB instead. Can see who is available at 6; can look at a team like SF at 14 that may give up starting OT + 1st rounder + to move up to 6. We can draft a guy mid 1st or even later and groom him into a starter. Wentz we can work with, or deal with retaining if we need him off the roster.

somethin like dat^!

Eagles don't want Darnold - he is far too expensive for a backup - and Jets don't want Wentz who stunk this year and has a crazy expensive contract. As I believe the Jets are very likely to draft in the top 10 next year (if not top 5) I would not trade next years first to move up 21 spots this year. Overall the trade might be more or less even but it doesn't make any sense for either team. I think the jets can trade Darnold and sign a QB free agent. Jets could work out a trade with the Eagles for picks but Eagles will have to add.

I'm not a fan of drafting 2 tackles so high in the draft for the reasons I mentioned earlier. I would much prefer to trade down a few spots to draft a stud WR. That said, the Jets will almost certainly draft a QB to put a stamp on Joe D's/new coach's team. Just a matter if the Jets believe they can trade down and still get their guy.

 

[sbjnyc]

There is that draft pick thingie that they got which does all the valuations of draft picks and such. I have not a doubt the Jets would get a haul if they went from 2 to say 5-7...no doubt!

You need to reread those draft value charts.

 

[Leonardo87]

If they end up with Sewell at 3, they’ll be golden. Not a lot of good teams have the draft capital they have this year.

That's one thing Miami has which makes such a disappointing finish to the season seem not as painful. Need weapons on offense if they want to be able to compete with the bigger teams. Yesterday was just an embarrassment, they didn't lose a game with that wide margin all season.

 

[NYSPORTS]

You would be wrong. Eagles gave up a ton to move up to pick Carson Wentz. No one ever accused them or their front office of being dumb.

!

ahh, besides one year the Eagles front office has been comical. Their free agent spending build the dream team and could never win anything. They traded a ton for Wentz yet won the Bowl with a Foles. Now they have a cap disaster with Wentz who didn’t even dress.

 

[NYSPORTS]

That's one thing Miami has which makes such a disappointing finish to the season seem not as painful. Need weapons on offense if they want to be able to compete with the bigger teams. Yesterday was just an embarrassment, they didn't lose a game with that wide margin all season.

sounds like the Rangers. Go into rebuilding, collect a lot of talent, their season ends prematurely and they still have a lottery pick #3 overall.

 

[sbjnyc]

You would be wrong. Eagles gave up a ton to move up to pick Carson Wentz. No one ever accused them or their front office of being dumb. Yeah now it doesn't look all too savvy but in order to move up to the 2 spot with the Browns, the Eagles gave up their 2016 No. 8 overall pick, 2016 third-round pick, 2016 fourth-round pick, 2017 first-round pick, 2018 second-round pick.

That's the price of doing business if a team perceives that they will be picking the next franchise QB. So if the Jets don't think Fields or Wilson are franchise QB's and some other team does, Douglas will undoubtedly get a haul...period end of story...it's just the way it is!

Two of the picks the Eagles traded wound up being Laremy Tunsil and DeShaun Watson. Watson's stats this year for a 4 win team was 4800 yards 33 TDs 7 INTs, without Hopkins.

 

[Maximus]

You need to reread those draft value charts.

Don't really have time right now but when you move from 2 to 5...you get a very nice haul. When you move from 2 to 8, you can potentially get an amazing haul as Browns did.

Pretty obvious the Jets would get a ton if they moved out of the 2 slot.

So not sure why I would necessarily need too reread those draft value charts tho I probably will later on when I have more time.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Jets should go QB or trade that pick IMO.

Why are the Titans, Colts, Bucs, Bills, etc winning? It’s the Quarterback. Yes, there are the Falcons and a few others but it’s a QB league.

The Titans, Colts, etc have very strong offensive lines yet w/o the QB they flop.

For all the Sewell talk, and he is intriguing, how many more games do the Jets win with him? Becton was awesome yet the Jets only won two games. Add Sewell means what? 4 games? Big picture, down the road? W/O the QB it doesn’t matter as i see it. The Colts are the perfect example IMO. Nelson went #6 overall and they built a great OL. Without the QB, they couldn’t move. And the Colts have issues. Rivers is practically done. They need a QB

I could see a Wentz-Frank Reich reunion possible in Indy if the Eagles bite the bullet & cut him. Wentz hasn't been the same QB since Reich left Philly & Indy needs to head in a younger direction. Might be a chance for Wentz to reboot his career on a 1 or 2 year deal.

 

[NYSPORTS]

when the NFL sees QB’s like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson i’m sure teams have learned their lessons. Lot of QB’s coming out this year.