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Hunter Gathers said:
I tend to think that Darnold can be successful. Just not on the Jets. I don't see how drafting Lawrence changes things since the team itself is still a hilariously bad dumpster fire. Lawrence will be seeing ghosts just like Darnold.
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I don't disagree with the first part of that statement, but I think it's alot more on the coaching right now.
Darnold was given no help in his first two years, now he's regressed poorly, and alot of it is likely on his coach.
We're talking about Douglass coming in and now choosing his own head coach along with lawrence and the draft capital that he has, can build a successful team.
 
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slater417 said:
I don't disagree with the first part of that statement, but I think it's alot more on the coaching right now.
Darnold was given no help in his first two years, now he's regressed poorly, and alot of it is likely on his coach.
We're talking about Douglass coming in and now choosing his own head coach along with lawrence and the draft capital that he has, can build a successful team.
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I hate to say it, but I actually think trading the pick is a better move for the Jets just due to how many holes the team has. They basically need an entire offensive line and an entire receiving group. If the Jets can get a trade that is better than the RGIII trade, I would think they'd consider it. And with the talent level of Lawrence, I do think that the offer would be on the table.
 
Hunter Gathers said:
I hate to say it, but I actually think trading the pick is a better move for the Jets just due to how many holes the team has. They basically need an entire offensive line and an entire receiving group. If the Jets can get a trade that is better than the RGIII trade, I would think they'd consider it. And with the talent level of Lawrence, I do think that the offer would be on the table.
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They already have four first round picks in the next two years (including two firsts and two thirds in this upcoming draft) as well as 85M+ of cap space next year in a year there are a bunch of high quality starting WR available. I don't see them having huge issues filling many of these holes.
 
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SA16 said:
They already have four first round picks in the next two years (including two firsts and two thirds in this upcoming draft) as well as 85M+ of cap space next year in a year there are a bunch of high quality starting WR available. I don't see them having huge issues filling many of these holes.
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I hope so. I root for them to do well, so I'd love to see this done right.
 
I wouldn't trade the pick. You'd have to be 100% damn sure that there's a Deshaun Watson (or Mahomes or whatever, pipedream I know) that's waiting later in the first for you to even consider it. The most important player on any team in the modern NFL is the QB, and right now the Jets don't have one. Maybe Darnold can turn it around but he's not going to do it here and honestly I don't think Douglas has any desire to keep him around. If you trade that #1 pick and a few years down the road you still haven't found your franchise QB while Lawrence is a star, you're set the franchise back another decade.

They have enough draft capital in the next couple drafts (and would ideally pick up more in moving Darnold) plus a ton of cap space. If Douglas lands a good, exciting HC, plays his cards right in free agency, and drafts well, they can plug a lot of holes within a couple years. I'm not opposed to trading the #1 in general, but here, with Lawrence, he's too good of a talent to try to get cute.
 
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As much as I hate using the word, people need to understand it's a process. They aren't going to go from 0 to 8 wins or whatever in 1 season. Joe Burrow looks great, and he probably would have finished with 3 or 4 wins if he played the full year.

I would say the Bengals roster going into this season is on par with what the Jets will probably throw out there next season.

Lawrence QB
Becton LT
Mims WR2

That's a solid start, it's up to Douglas to hit on the picks.
 
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Hunter Gathers said:
I hope so. I root for them to do well, so I'd love to see this done right.
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I have faith in Douglass ALOT!. He's already shown in just one draft class that he's the best GM and evaluator of talent the Jets have had and tho it's not saying much, since probably Terry Bradway. Early Mike Tannenbaum wasn't horrible either as he did have a few good drafts.

Douglass's FA pickups this year weren't to hot but he was smart enough to just sign them to one year show me what you got contracts and so he can do a reset this upcoming offseason. But as far as drafting and evaluating talent, I do believe very much so that the Jets got it right and they have the right guy for the job.

I trust Douglass bigtime that with all this draft capital at his disposal, unlike other GM's the Jets have had in the past, I have no doubt in my mind he won't F it up!.
 
Hunter Gathers said:
I hate to say it, but I actually think trading the pick is a better move for the Jets just due to how many holes the team has. They basically need an entire offensive line and an entire receiving group. If the Jets can get a trade that is better than the RGIII trade, I would think they'd consider it. And with the talent level of Lawrence, I do think that the offer would be on the table.
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That would enrage the casuals and the nephews who think Lawrence is the messiah that will singlehandedly make the team good again. But yeah, even with the supposed upgrade from Darnold to Lawrence the dumping Gase, this team is laughable short on talent outside of Quinnen, Becton, and possibly Mims and Maye.

But it would have to be a massive return, not just an extra 1st and 2 2nds
 
I see no logic in trading the Lawrence pick. If he’s the next top 5 QB coming through the draft then you don’t recover from trading that. The Jets haven’t had a franchise QB in my lifetime. Do you feel comfortable paying Sam? Do you draft a QB lower? The Jets have a good amount of draft capital as is. What if you pass on the next Mahomes or Marino? The Jets have been a laughing stock for years. You run - don’t walk - up to the podium to make that pick. You have additional picks and money to start filling out a roster. How do you pass on a franchise player at the most important position in sports? Do you think SD regrets taking Hebert or do you think they feel incredible for filling the biggest position in their lineup for the next 15 years.
 
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If a franchise QB is sitting there the Jets would be foolish to pass. However if I'm Lawrence I would at least consider staying another year. So, so many holes to fill on the Jets.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
If a franchise QB is sitting there the Jets would be foolish to pass. However if I'm Lawrence I would at least consider staying another year. So, so many holes to fill on the Jets.
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He could stay in college, but that’s a hell of a lot of guaranteed money to gamble with. Hopefully he comes out and also doesn’t pull an Eli.
 
Hunter Gathers said:
I hate to say it, but I actually think trading the pick is a better move for the Jets just due to how many holes the team has. They basically need an entire offensive line and an entire receiving group. If the Jets can get a trade that is better than the RGIII trade, I would think they'd consider it. And with the talent level of Lawrence, I do think that the offer would be on the table.
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not a chance.
 
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KirkAlbuquerque said:
That would enrage the casuals and the nephews who think Lawrence is the messiah that will singlehandedly make the team good again. But yeah, even with the supposed upgrade from Darnold to Lawrence the dumping Gase, this team is laughable short on talent outside of Quinnen, Becton, and possibly Mims and Maye.

But it would have to be a massive return, not just an extra 1st and 2 2nds
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I think you'd need at least 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks. Likely 3 first rounders.

If you can get Atlanta to make that deal and if they finish as a top 8 pick, I think you consider it.
 
Hunter Gathers said:
I think you'd need at least 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks. Likely 3 first rounders.

If you can get Atlanta to make that deal and if they finish as a top 8 pick, I think you consider it.
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You can consider it, but if you think Lawrence is as advertised then you make the pick. How many Super Bowl winners have we seen in the last 15 years who haven’t had a franchise QB? I think Darnold has promise but I don’t see it happening here for him. You can take Lawrence then most likely trade Darnold for a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th. Let him go sit behind Big Ben for a year or two. You still have the most or close to the most draft capital in the league along with your LT and you have a bunch of picks and a ton of money to use filling gaps. It’s most likely going to take a few years anyway, but without that QB you just spin your tires.
 
Barnaby said:
He could stay in college, but that’s a hell of a lot of guaranteed money to gamble with. Hopefully he comes out and also doesn’t pull an Eli.
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I can see the Jets getting the #1 pick after next season as well.
 
slater417 said:
I think BB has far more respect for Douglass than he has for any other GM since he took over with the pats. If the jets get Lawrence plus a Douglass selected HC + talented oc/dc/st, I think the jets have a bright future. This season feels very much like the rangers in '18/19, the pain is real, but in the NFL more than any other, you have to bottom out to get good. Douglass has already shown he's a good talent evaluator who doesn't overspend in free agency, and will build through the draft.
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I don't know, that's what people said about Maccagnan and that didn't turn out well.
 
sbjnyc said:
I don't know, that's what people said about Maccagnan and that didn't turn out well.
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I think Douglass had a nice year 1 draft class. Considering the drafting debacle we’ve seen the last 5-10 years, I’ll take it. It sounds like this guy has been in two very strong organizations and has a great reputation. I wouldn’t say I’m “confident” in anything Jet related, but I do feel a lot more positive than I’ve felt in quite awhile. The last draft at least seems to have filled holes and added talent for a change. Lawrence and a strong HC hire would go a long way towards getting things on track.
 
sbjnyc said:
I don't know, that's what people said about Maccagnan and that didn't turn out well.
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Well considering bb has been willing to trade with him, during his jet tenure I'd say there's a level of professional respect.
 
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