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There is one thing Lawrence will have that Darnold did not coming into the league, and that is an offensive line. Becton looks like a franchise LT. He's been that good in year 1. Fant has been very solid as a RT and should be kept. The interior line will need an overhaul, and that can be done. Both guards can be cut and replaced with minimal cap penalties. The WR group is better already with just Mims and Crowder. Add in a potential big target in free agency and you have a solid receiver corp, maybe even draft someone in the middle rounds. This WR class is not last years, but it is strong.

With their draft capital, one thing Douglass did last draft was he was not afraid to trade down if they had multiple targets available to them to get more picks. I cannot remember a Jets GM doing this in forever, they always moved up to get "their guy", well this year they moved down multiple times during the draft and snagged Mims after moving down from their 2nd. You could argue they should have grabbed Claypool, but is he as good with Darnold/Flacco as he is with Ben and the other WRs they have? Two 1s, two 3s, and two 5s. Have the top pick of each round, which are coveted after each draft day passes as guys slide out of day 1 and day 2.

This could be a Browns like turnaround after their 0-16 season. Last place schedule and an influx of talent.
 
Was going thru this in my mind and figured let me share my thoughts. Here's my rankings of who I'd want to coach the Jets beginning next year. I'll do it David Letterman style:

#5- Eric Bienemy. I know he's the cats meow right now for the majority of Jet Nation. I'm skeptical tho about him. Besides being passed over already for the gig, his impact in KC is really what? Yeah I see a plastic play calling thingie in his hands each week and have read he's majorly involved in the offensive scheme but whenever I'm looking at the sideline, it is Andy Reid who appears to be making the calls and the decisions at crucial times. I'd pass on him.

#4 Dabo Sweeny: Kingsberry and Ruhle seem to have made the transition from college to the pros fairly seamlessly. Why couldn't Dabo? Oh and him having been conducting the Lawrence choo choo train for the past 3 years and going forward is quite appealing.

#3 Lincoln Riley: Same reasons as Dabo. I think he'd make a great mentor for Lawrence and he'd make the offense here in Jet land potentially dynamic.

#2 Joe Brady. Visions of the East Coast version of Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan dance thru my head. It's time for the Jets to get bold and this guy Brady from what I've seen of him, read about him is the kind of forward thinking coach this team needs in order to move forward and be successful in a fairly quick amount of time. He's innovative, he's imaginative, he's worked with young QB's like Burrows. He's worked in systems like Sean Payton's. This is a no brainer folks. Brady would energize the entire organization and he'd be a great coach for Lawrence and if worst came to worst Fields. There is no one really even a close 2nd for me. I want Joe Brady...let it be written...let it be done!

#1. Did I mention Joe Brady? Enough said.

FYI: I want nothing whatsoever to do with Harbaugh....nothing nada zippo which means that's exactly who the Johnson's will want to hire...lol.

Don't even think about retreads like O'Brien. We need new blood.
 
My revised rankings of worry for the "tank" is in order:

Cleveland: I said this a few weeks ago and will say it again. This team is as cursed as the Jets. And them playing us with a playoff spot all ready to be gift wrapped for them week 15 and Baker pulling a Fitzie vs Buffalo circa 2015 and throwing 3 picks handing the Jets a win is not out of the realm of possibility. I'm very very worried about this game.

Patriots: I said this well over a month ago and will say it again. Hoodie with nothing to play for and a chance to F the hated Jets out of a franchise QB and as a bonus who he doesn't have to game plan against twice a year for the next decade would be music to Belechik's ears. The only thing that gives me a bit of pause is that it's not Bill's style to bench starters even when he's locked up a playoff spot so why would he do it now? We'll see what happens but I'm still quite a bit nervous about this one. Best thing for the Jets would be if the Patriots are still alive for the final WC spot and so we should all be hoping the Pats play well down the stretch.

Raiders: Sunday's game is a bit concerning no doubt not so much because the Raiders aren't a much much better team than ours. It's more because the Raiders really aren't so good that they are a lock playoff team either. And so them losing last the past two weeks and than losing another game they should win would be very Raider like. We just need to hope Gruden gets his team pumped up and that they come out and play mistake free football Sunday. If so, they'll win handily.

Rams: Not worried

Seattle: Definitely not worried.

We need the Bears to continue to stink it up so much so that by the time they play the Jaguars Week 15, they are ready to quit and gift the Jags a win. I'm still officially worried that both the Jets and Jags will end up tied which would suck for us. It's going to be a nerve racking final 5 weeks for sure.
 
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Been playing around with the PFF mock draft simulator.

Jets could really build the OL with the Seahawks and their own 2nd rounder. Depending on how the draft shakes our, they cold grab a G and another T possibly. Might go to shit if teams trade up to grab the few 1/2nd round Gs

Build the OL. You have Crowded and Mims. I’d rather see them spend $$ on a FA like Godwin than draft another WR high. Build the line.
 
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East Coast Bias said:
Been playing around with the PFF mock draft simulator.

Jets could really build the OL with the Seahawks and their own 2nd rounder. Depending on how the draft shakes our, they cold grab a G and another T possibly. Might go to shit if teams trade up to grab the few 1/2nd round Gs

Build the OL. You have Crowded and Mims. I’d rather see them spend $$ on a FA like Godwin than draft another WR high. Build the line.
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I like that thought process. As far as any of the should be available UFA WR's, put me firmly in the camp of Allen Robinson with JuJu a fairly close 2nd followed by Godwin.

A big target with great hands like ARob to go along with Mims and Crowder, that my friend is some pretty nice weaponry for Trevor Lawrence to play with. But yes absolutely and there is no doubt Douglass will do so, but fortify the O-line in the draft and in UFA and build it around Mt. Becton or Highway 77 as Baldinger so aptly calls him.
 
Man, if Mayfield was anything better than a league average QB right now, the Browns would be so set as a team. Essentially all they'd need is a safety, a WR with some size, and maybe another linebacker. The running game, OL, and DL have them at their current record, but I don't think they're enough to progress past one round of the POs.

All of which is a long intro to say, if the Jets wind up drafting Lawrence, I wonder if the Browns don't essentially re-do the 2018 draft, decline Mayfield's option, and acquire Darnold (who was my clear choice at the time, anyway).

I'd be very curious to see how he did with a fresh start on a team that had virtually every other piece in place already...
 
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Man, if Mayfield was anything better than a league average QB right now, the Browns would be so set as a team. Essentially all they'd need is a safety, a WR with some size, and maybe another linebacker. The running game, OL, and DL have them at their current record, but I don't think they're enough to progress past one round of the POs.

All of which is a long intro to say, if the Jets wind up drafting Lawrence, I wonder if the Browns don't essentially re-do the 2018 draft, decline Mayfield's option, and acquire Darnold (who was my clear choice at the time, anyway).

I'd be very curious to see how he did with a fresh start on a team that had virtually every other piece in place already...
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Not sure about the Browns if Darnold would have been so hot but put Darnold on the Colts learning from Frank Reich the Steelers with all that talent on the O-line and in the WR corps and it would not be out of the realm of possibility that Darnold would be in the top QB's in the AFC conversations year after year.

Put Darnold on the Steelers and/or Colts the only QB's for absolute sure I'd take over him would be Maholmes, Watson and probably Burrow and Hebert. I know some of y'all would take Lamar and Josh Allen over Darnold but I'm not so sure Darnold on the Steelers or Colts couldn't be just as good as those two.

Bottom line Darnold has talent no question. He needs to be coached up and it just didn't happen here in Jet land as it couldn't have been worse for him from that perspective.
 
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Was just thinking about this and I'm sure it's crossed others in here minds as well.

As a Knicks, Rangers, Mets and Jets fan, the past 20 years there obviously really hasn't been all to much to cheer about except for a few magical seasons from the Mets in 2000 and 2015 and some very nice long playoff runs by the Rangers and Jets a couple of times.

The Knicks? The world tilted on it's axis for 5 weeks and us Knick fans got Linsanity to crow about for a little bit but that's about it for the past 20 years for them...how sad is that? lol

But the worm just maybe might be changing for these franchises. The Rangers the past two seasons got some unexpected love by the hockey gods and won the lottery twice in a row beating huge odds against that occurring, garnering the #2 overall pick in 2019 and this past year the #1 overall. The future is enormously bright in Rangerland.

The Mets finally have gotten rid of the horrific cheap ### Wilpons as a new owner with very deep pockets in Stevie Cohen is now in charge. So the future is very bright in Flushing.

Even the Knicks got some lottery love this year as the best college player in the country last season and most NBA ready player coming out of the draft Obi Toppin somehow fell into their laps and now that team has some nice pieces and some hope for the future.

And than we come to the Jets. There aren't alot of pieces here but the ones we have are very promising. We have a LT in Highway 77 that should be a dominant all-pro for the next decade protecting whoever is QB for this team. We have a WR in Mims who looks like he's going to be a solid #2 type WR in this league for a long time.

We have DT in Quinnen who looks like he could be the next great thing at that position. And we have a Marcus Maye and and Ashtyn Davis who give off great vibes for the future.

So all we need now is a little love from the football gods just like those other 3 NY teams got and that love means simply, allow the Jets to get the #1 overall and a franchise changing QB is on the way. Despite all the crap that we've all gone thru, there is some hope and it culminates with us getting the #1 overall whether it be an 0-16 season or a 1-15 one.

We are way way overdo for some love from the gods and I'm feeling very confident despite how cursed we are that this year, we finally will get some.

If we get Lawrence, it's actually possible, I hope your sitting for this, that all 4 of these teams that I have lived and died for the past 50 years and I'm sure some of y'all in here root for the same combination of NY teams I do, will actually be good at the same time in let's say 2023 which is something I don't think I've ever been able to say ever in my almost 50 years as a fan of these teams.

It's time tho...way way overdo for this to happen. First things first...lose Sunday vs the Raideeeezzzzz!!!...:nod:
 
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Man, if Mayfield was anything better than a league average QB right now, the Browns would be so set as a team. Essentially all they'd need is a safety, a WR with some size, and maybe another linebacker. The running game, OL, and DL have them at their current record, but I don't think they're enough to progress past one round of the POs.

All of which is a long intro to say, if the Jets wind up drafting Lawrence, I wonder if the Browns don't essentially re-do the 2018 draft, decline Mayfield's option, and acquire Darnold (who was my clear choice at the time, anyway).

I'd be very curious to see how he did with a fresh start on a team that had virtually every other piece in place already...
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yeah its pretty insane just how stacked that Browns offense is. Chubb is a top 3 or 4 running back in the league now, not to mention the great receiving options and improved offensive line. And Baker is still just mediocre.
 
Maximus said:
Was just thinking about this and I'm sure it's crossed others in here minds as well.

As a Knicks, Rangers, Mets and Jets fan, the past 20 years there obviously really hasn't been all to much to cheer about except for a few magical seasons from the Mets in 2000 and 2015 and some very nice long playoff runs by the Rangers and Jets a couple of times.

The Knicks? The world tilted on it's axis for 5 weeks and us Knick fans got Linsanity to crow about for a little bit but that's about it for the past 20 years for them...how sad is that? lol

But the worm just maybe might be changing for these franchises. The Rangers the past two seasons got some unexpected love by the hockey gods and won the lottery twice in a row beating huge odds against that occurring, garnering the #2 overall pick in 2019 and this past year the #1 overall. The future is enormously bright in Rangerland.

The Mets finally have gotten rid of the horrific cheap ### Wilpons as a new owner with very deep pockets in Stevie Cohen is now in charge. So the future is very bright in Flushing.

Even the Knicks got some lottery love this year as the best college player in the country last season and most NBA ready player coming out of the draft Obi Toppin somehow fell into their laps and now that team has some nice pieces and some hope for the future.

And than we come to the Jets. There aren't alot of pieces here but the ones we have are very promising. We have a LT in Highway 77 that should be a dominant all-pro for the next decade protecting whoever is QB for this team. We have a WR in Mims who looks like he's going to be a solid #2 type WR in this league for a long time.

We have DT in Quinnen who looks like he could be the next great thing at that position. And we have a Marcus Maye and and Ashtyn Davis who give off great vibes for the future.

So all we need now is a little love from the football gods just like those other 3 NY teams got and that love means simply, allow the Jets to get the #1 overall and a franchise changing QB is on the way. Despite all the crap that we've all gone thru, there is some hope and it culminates with us getting the #1 overall whether it be an 0-16 season or a 1-15 one.

We are way way overdo for some love from the gods and I'm feeling very confident despite how cursed we are that this year, we finally will get some.

If we get Lawrence, it's actually possible, I hope your sitting for this, that all 4 of these teams that I have lived and died for the past 50 years and I'm sure some of y'all in here root for the same combination of NY teams I do, will actually be good at the same time in let's say 2023 which is something I don't think I've ever been able to say ever in my almost 50 years as a fan of these teams.

It's time tho...way way overdo for this to happen. First things first...lose Sunday vs the Raideeeezzzzz!!!...:nod:
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The Jets need a Mets-like exorcism first. The Johnsons have got to GO. Otherwise it will always be the SOJ.
 
KirkAlbuquerque said:
The Jets need a Mets-like exorcism first. The Johnsons have got to GO. Otherwise it will always be the SOJ.
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That unfortunately just aint happening. That said as incompetent and clueless as the Johnson's are as far as football is concerned, I don't think they are the problem unlike the Wilpon were. When there has been talent on this team and when we've we had good and competent coaching staffs, this team has performed well at times. Alot of us don't think about this seeing it's been so bad here for almost a decade but once upon a time, the Jets actually were pretty dang good. We did make multiple playoff playoff appearances in the 2010's....I believe 5-6 times top of my head.

And under Rex, we made it to two AFC Championship games. So it's not like this team can't be successful with the Johnson's.

The Johnson's, let be honest, one thing we can never say about them is that they are cheap....they aren't. They spend money and lot's of it. Problem is we spend it on the wrong guys. But that's more the fault of who they've hired to lead the football operations as their choices obviously have been very poor.

But as far as meddling, they aren't those types of owners and that is a positive. Let's put it this way, I'd much rather have owners like the Johnson's than the Wilpon's.

So I'm not of the belief the team can't win if the Johnson's are owners. We just need to have better coaches and players.

Well lucky for the Jets and ironically due to his relationship with Gase, I'm 100% convinced we've got the right GM in Douglass...not even a question in my mind about this.

Now Douglass needs to hire his hand picked coach and that guy hopefully will be Joe Brady. We put that combo of Douglass/Brady together to lead this team beginning next year with all the draft capital we got and oodles of FA money to surround hopefully Trevor Lawrence, I don't think any of us will be complaining or even talking about the Johnson's as they will be in the background where they belong and where they are comfortable being.

Bottom line is Douglass's competence and his football knowhow makes up for any of the Johnson's cluelessness...lol
 
As long as the Johnsons force coaches on their GMs and vice versa the Jets aren't going anywhere. Things were pretty good with Rex and Mike until Woody decided to meddle and it's gone downhill from there.
 
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As long as the Johnsons force coaches on their GMs and vice versa the Jets aren't going anywhere. Things were pretty good with Rex and Mike until Woody decided to meddle and it's gone downhill from there.
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I hear ya and your not wrong IF it remained like this. I believe with Douglass in charge, things will be different now and going forward. I have no empirical data yet to support this opinion of mine but considering Douglass has a 6 year deal and after Gase is gone after the season, with JD the only football guy in the front office, I feel very confident the Johnson's will tell Douglass "get your guy" and get this team on the winning track.

Obviously the Johnson's will want to be part of the interview process but there will be no Charlie Casserly's whispering in the Johnson's ears. This is now going to be Douglass's baby and like I said, I think he's the man for the job and the Johnson's will take a back seat and pretty much rubber stamp what Douglass wants to do.

I'm almost positive that this is the way it's going to be and I'd really be shocked if this isn't the way it ends up with Douglass making all the football decisions, seeing the Jets have never had a more qualified football guy in charge than Douglass possibly since Terry Bradway and that was 15 years ago.
 
Hopefully they learned. They should be able to compare the ‘04-11 era and then 12-present era and realize what they did wrong as owners.
 
Let’s say the Jets fall to #2 or Lawrence stays in school - where do you go from there? Take another tackle in Sewell to better protect Darnold and built a sick OL or take a chance on Justin Fields and see if he’s the QB of the future?
 
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Let’s say the Jets fall to #2 or Lawrence stays in school - where do you go from there? Take another tackle in Sewell to better protect Darnold and built a sick OL or take a chance on Justin Fields and see if he’s the QB of the future?
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I think they have to move on from Darnold. Not really his fault entirely, but he's done here. They need to bring in an entirely new coaching staff, and that staff and Douglas himself will also want to pick their own QB. Fields isn't Lawrence but he looks like your prototypical modern NFL QB and will also probably be great.

They have ample draft capital and cap space to address the line and add some additional weapons in the next two years. Need that QB, though.
 
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I think they have to move on from Darnold. Not really his fault entirely, but he's done here. They need to bring in an entirely new coaching staff, and that staff and Douglas himself will also want to pick their own QB. Fields isn't Lawrence but he looks like your prototypical modern NFL QB and will also probably be great.

They have ample draft capital and cap space to address the line and add some additional weapons in the next two years. Need that QB, though.
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Agreed. I like Darnold, but he's got some bad habits which he can't seem to get rid of...whether that's on him or the staff is unknown. A number of sports writers have said he probably needs to sit for a year to really learn the game. I tend to agree.
 
They should try to move him somewhere where there is an older veteran QB who has maybe one more season and Darnold can watch and learn and then take over in two years.
 
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