Draft 2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part VII

[Chytilmania]

We’re drafting 1 overall, and have had 6 first round picks since 2017, including a number 2. If we swing and miss on 22 it’s not gonna be a big deal.

But we have plenty of top 6 talent, we need to fill out the bottom of the roster.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

But we have plenty of top 6 talent, we need to fill out the bottom of the roster.

If we are counting on the 22 pick for that we gotta bigger problems.

 

[Leetch3]

But we have plenty of top 6 talent, we need to fill out the bottom of the roster.

you can never have enough top 6 talent and we need top 6 centers which is why Lapierre is so tempting despite the injury risk. the only other center that might be on the board is bourque....I think the others we'd be looking at are good players but wingers.

 

[Ghost of jas]

every ounce of common sense in my body says that we should stay away from Lapierre due to his concussions. there are going to be good players on the board with middle to top 6 upside, we need the depth and can't afford to swing and miss with no 2nd round pick...

...but the closer we get to the draft the more i'm tempted to say F it swing for the fences and take him lol

Welcome to the dark side.

 

[Ghost of jas]

But we have plenty of top 6 talent, we need to fill out the bottom of the roster.

There are plenty of those type of players that are going to be available from the 2nd round on.

 

[Leetch3]

There are plenty of those type of players that are going to be available from the 2nd round on.

get me some 2nd round picks then...

 

[Ghost of jas]

get me some 2nd round picks then...

I like that Strome for Greenway and a 2nd proposal. And I’ll take a 2nd for Georgiev.

 

[mas0764]

I’m warming on Mavrik Borque if we can’t get up for Lundell.

 

[Mac n Gs]

There are plenty of those type of players that are going to be available from the 2nd round on.

Also...do we? I’d say our young players/prospects with top-6 ceilings are Chytil, Kakko, and Kravtsov. Lafreniere will obviously slot in here too once he’s officially a Ranger. After that, we have a couple of dark horses in Barron and Henriksson, but that’s really it.

This is a bit misleading since we obviously have guys like Buch, Kreider, Mika, and Panarin locked up in those spots. However, I still would feel a bit more comfortable having higher-skilled forward prospects in the pipeline to bridge the gap in the future for those 22-26 year old guys we have now.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Also...do we? I’d say our young players/prospects with top-6 ceilings are Chytil, Kakko, and Kravtsov. Lafreniere will obviously slot in here too once he’s officially a Ranger. After that, we have a couple of dark horses in Barron and Henriksson, but that’s really it.

This is a bit misleading since we obviously have guys like Buch, Kreider, Mika, and Panarin locked up in those spots. However, I still would feel a bit more comfortable having higher-skilled forward prospects in the pipeline to bridge the gap in the future for those 22-26 year old guys we have now.

So would I.

 

[Edge]

I’m warming on Mavrik Borque if we can’t get up for Lundell.

Not sure he sticks at center, but as an offensive player the kid has posted 54 goals and 125 points in his last 113 QMJHL games.

Last year Bourque scored at a 40 goal/99 point pace.

By comparison, Lafreniere scored at a 46 goal/146 point pace (which shows you just how insane the talent level is there).

Offensively, Bourque is as capable as nearly anyone in the draft outside of maybe the top 3-5 forwards. The consistency isn't there, and that's part of what drops him. But if you can find a way to get him at even 80 percent of abilities, he's a legit 25-30 goal, 65+ point talent.

 

[Leetch3]

Not sure he sticks at center, but as an offensive player the kid has posted 54 goals and 125 points in his last 113 QMJHL games.

Last year Bourque scored at a 40 goal/99 point pace.

By comparison, Lafreniere scored at a 46 goal/146 point pace (which shows you just how insane the talent level is there).

Offensively, Bourque is as capable as nearly anyone in the draft outside of maybe the top 3-5 forwards. The consistency isn't there, and that's part of what drops him. But if you can find a way to get him at even 80 percent of abilities, he's a legit 25-30 goal, 65+ point talent.

the talent is still there but whether or not is viewed as a center I think has a huge impact on his value in that range...

 

[Edge]

the talent is still there but whether or not is viewed as a center I think has a huge impact on his value in that range...

Position and consistency.

There's really very little Bourque can't do out there, including play responsible two-way hockey. It's not like he doesn't get it. On the contrary he is very aware of what's happening out there. That's what make it somewhat frustrating when he isn't dictating the pace of a game.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I can't see Jarvis at center in the NHL. Barely played center this year.

Mercer is better on the wing as well but probably has more of a chance.

It's tough to predict. Chytil played exclusively on the wing in his draft year. Hayes played wing for 4 full years in college before switching to center in the NHL. Aho was a winger until he got to the NHL as well.

 

[Barnaby]

My middle name is Keith. I had no idea how to spell it correctly when I submitted the form for my college diploma. If I didn't call my mom I would've spelled it wrong...

Thats a bold username. Your putting a lot of faith in the way people pronounce Kakko.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Strome is not bringing back Greenway and a second. I hate to break it to you but I don't think the rest of the NHL believes in Strome. They probably think he's an average player at best without Panarin. No, the Rangers can't miss on any first round pick now. The importance of always having cheap talent replacing non corner stone guys is more important than ever. Or you will end up like Chicago with a few max contract guys and the rest of team stinks. Just imagine 3 years from now how much of the cap Panarin, Zibanejad, Lafreniere, Kakko, Shesterkin and Fox will be taking up.

 

[426ers]

Interesting. I never knew that.

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[TheWhiskeyThief]

I feel like the focus is on the combo of height and weight. So, like if you're 5'9" 150 that seems riskier. And you might slide down draft boards unless you're can't miss talented.

Whereas Kravtsov is 6'4" 165, which is still super light but he's so tall it's less risky. Esp when you look at E. Pettersson who's very successful at 6'2" 175.

Being an ectomorph is damaging to one’s draft ranking and probability of making the NHL.
A 5’9” 150lb(175cm,68kg) player would have to be scoring at a 1.5ppg rate in a top flight junior league just to avoid my do not draft list, 2ppg to be considered in the 2nd round. That player at 77kg would be a 2nd round at 1.5ppg, 1st round at 2ppg
Rangers have Kravtsov listed right now as 190cm/86, which for his age is still underweight, but it’s a lot closer to what he needs to be an effective player. It doesn’t stop him from going to the net, but hinders him as a net front presence for extended periods. But his willingness to go to the net is serving him well so far in the KHL where they play a lot of shoo fly D.
Pettersson is the exception to the rule, but he’s also super skilled and fearless. Even he has missed games due to not handling hits well(especially when they’re cheap.)

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

so we keep hearing about how deep this draft is....but 9 1st round picks were traded (10 trades since Vancouver's pick was traded twice), 14 2nd round picks (3 picks traded twice) and 14 3rd round picks (with like 4 moved twice)....so 37 of the first 90 picks (41%) will not be made by the team that originally own the pick.

does that indicate that the league actually thinks that this a bad draft? and if teams actually thought it was a super deep draft they would be less willing to trade away those picks?

Due to accounting purposes, trades now have to balance out financially so teams don’t have to pay taxes on paper profits.

So draft picks have assigned values much like current contracts and are used to approximate equal value in any deal.

This may also be why we don’t see many future draft picks involved in trades beyond a year out(of course GMs may not be there that long) in that future value of those draft picks may not have a proper valuation, if any valuation at all.

 

[Vitto79]

So you can buy out a player from Sept 25-Oct 8. I don’t remember the period being that long

I think there’s going to be more buyouts than ever before w the flat cap

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

I feel like we're focusing on Greig because he's a name that is believed to be on the Rangers short list, and a viable candidate to actually be on the board at 22. So continuing that approach, I think Greig's stat line is a little mis-leading.

His full 72 game WHL schedule pace works out to 33 goals, 77 points, 107 pims, and a +14.

Here's a decent video with some clips of him in action. I agree with a lot of the assessment and a line about half-way through the video - he's the kind of guy you look for with playoff hockey.

Even accounting for the August birthday, too many red flags for me. The weight for the height is one, the production for the league isn’t remarkable(almost 1/2 of what his dad did at the same age.) Draftable? Sure: just not at 22.
For every Brayden Point, there’s 10 Michael St. Croix’s.

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

Think we might be able to see the traction soon. I like the move to a pro league, albeit HockeyEttan.

Hockeyettan is akin to the WHL: talented players, just mostly too small to play up a level in a bottom 6 role, not skilled enough for top 6.

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

So you can buy out a player from Sept 25-Oct 8. I don’t remember the period being that long

I think there’s going to be more buyouts than ever before w the flat cap

Between buyouts and RFAs not being qualified, there will be a rather large pool for the Rangers to beef up their bottom 6 roster.
I don’t think the same of addressing the D issues, though.

 

[Edge]

Even accounting for the August birthday, too many red flags for me. The weight for the height is one, the production for the league isn’t remarkable(almost 1/2 of what his dad did at the same age.) Draftable? Sure: just not at 22.
For every Brayden Point, there’s 10 Michael St. Croix’s.

I really don't feel the weight to the height is a big deal at this point, though we've been down this road before as a baord with guys like Farabee. And then two years later we wonder why didn't take the guy.

The production for the league as a draft eligible is solid as far as late first round picks/early second round picks go, especially for a kid who is closer in age to some of his 2021 eligible peers compared to his 2020 classmates.

There's no way to compare the production of prospects in the WHL in 2020 to the production of prospects in the league from 30 years ago. That's like comparing the NHL's scoring over the same time period. It's almost never going to produce a "win" for the guy in 2020.

I'm not really sure where you're going with the Brayden Point/St. Croix example.

 

[mas0764]

Not sure he sticks at center, but as an offensive player the kid has posted 54 goals and 125 points in his last 113 QMJHL games.

Last year Bourque scored at a 40 goal/99 point pace.

By comparison, Lafreniere scored at a 46 goal/146 point pace (which shows you just how insane the talent level is there).

Offensively, Bourque is as capable as nearly anyone in the draft outside of maybe the top 3-5 forwards. The consistency isn't there, and that's part of what drops him. But if you can find a way to get him at even 80 percent of abilities, he's a legit 25-30 goal, 65+ point talent.

He seems to be as good a bet at center as any in that range. Mercer, Jarvis, Holloway... all seem to be kinda "centers who might be wings," in the NHL. Unless you want to drop down a talent tier for someone like Brendan Brisson.... but I'd rather swing on a guy with more talent. We don't really need a 4th line center, we need a 1/2.