Draft 2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part VI

[Edge]

Definitely. And I think @Edge has said that the fate of Lundqvist does not impact the fate of Georgiev, that he could still end up being dealt even if Lundqvist is no longer a Ranger.

I believe they exist independently of one another at this point.

I think the Rangers are not terribly interested in having a backup goalie at Lundqvist's salary. I don't think it's any secret that they would love for him to retire and ride off into the sunset.

Georgiev is all about the return. I think the Rangers are fine holding onto to him right now, but they're not going to turn down an offer they like either. Whether that offer comes this summer is another matter.

I don't believe the Rangers would have any problem trading Georgiev in the right deal and then going out and getting a backup. But they're not going to give Georgiev away just for the sake of trading him.

If Lundell is on the board, and Georgiev and the Canes pick gets them into the slot to draft him, I'd be shocked if they didn't pull the trigger. Personally, I would include Mercer and Jarvis in that same approach, but I can't say for certain if the Rangers would as well. The latter is just my personal preference.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

As others have said, I would do the Edmonton deal assuming Lundell is on the board.

Outside of that, not so much.

I think the Rangers are not terribly interested in having a backup goalie at Lundqvist's salary. I don't think it's any secret that they would love for him to retire and ride off into the sunset.

I mean it would be for 1 year, would they really get their knickers in a twist over that?

 

[Edge]

As others have said, I would do the Edmonton deal assuming Lundell is on the board.

Outside of that, not so much.


I mean it would be for 1 year, would they really get their knickers in a twist over that?

It's a lot of money, at a time where money is uncertain and guys who figure into the long-term plans are looking to get paid.

Will they resent him if he doesn't retire? Doubtful.

Would they breathe a little sigh of relief if he did? Probably.

 

[eco's bones]

I believe they exist independently of one another at this point.

I think the Rangers are not terribly interested in having a backup goalie at Lundqvist's salary. I don't think it's any secret that they would love for him to retire and ride off into the sunset.

Georgiev is all about the return. I think the Rangers are fine holding onto to him right now, but they're not going to turn down an offer they like either. Whether that offer comes this summer is another matter.

I don't believe the Rangers would have any problem trading Georgiev in the right deal and then going out and getting a backup. But they're not going to give Georgiev away just for the sake of trading him.

If Lundell is on the board, and Georgiev and the Canes pick gets them into the slot to draft him, I'd be shocked if they didn't pull the trigger. Personally, I would include Mercer and Jarvis in that same approach, but I can't say for certain if the Rangers would as well. The latter is just my personal preference.

This is basically what I would want to hear on this. If there is a real objective in moving Georgiev I can get on board with that. If it's just to make room for Henrik as a backup in his last contractual year I don't think that's a good idea at all. I don't think Huska has shown nearly enough yet and Wall will be a rookie pro. I would think the Rangers would need to go out and make another move for a backup. I've looked at the UFA goalies at Cap Friendly available and that doesn't look great to me. I think we'd have to make a trade of some sort.

 

[Graves94]

Marc Bergevin said during his wrap up pressser, that the Habs are open to trading their 1st rounder (16th overall) for the right price...BTW, they have 3 second round picks...

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

It's a lot of money, at a time where money is uncertain and guys who figure into the long-term plans are looking to get paid.

Will they resent him if he doesn't retire? Doubtful.

Would they breathe a little sigh of relief if he did? Probably.

That's fair

Although I will say, as someone who has been an avid supporter of Gorton and trusts him quite a bit, him potentially gaining 8.5 million in cap space this offseason scares me a bit lol

 

[eco's bones]

That's fair

Although I will say, as someone who has been an avid supporter of Gorton and trusts him quite a bit, him potentially gaining 8.5 million in cap space this offseason scares me a bit lol

I don't see us going after Pietrangelo or Taylor Hall. I really don't. I would expect he might fill a couple holes--maybe add an LD for one and try to get Fast back. Sign the RFA's and I think the Rangers would like to keep Strome too without going long term.

 

[aufheben]

An Oiler fan posted #14 overall for Georgiev and our Skjei pick (23ish). I think that is very fair. I know there will be some very good players at 23ish but to possibly move up and legit be able to grab a Lundell/Mercer/Jarvis?!
Can you imagine coming out of this draft with Lafreniere and Mercer? Holy crap. A month ago I would have been happy with just Mercer. Two gamers with legit high end skill.

That would be hilariously lopsided for us.

 

[Edge]

Marc Bergevin said during his wrap up pressser, that the Habs are open to trading their 1st rounder (16th overall) for the right price...BTW, they have 3 second round picks...

I think it's going to be very interesting to see which teams identify a guy they are prepared to move up for, compared to other teams who feel they can get the same calibre of player further back.

And both approaches make sense.

If I was picking 16, I could make a very compelling argument that the guy I get at 22 is on the same tier.

On the flip side, depending on who is on the board, I could justify moving assets and paying a price to get someone who I think is BPA and building my draft success around getting my guys on Day One.

It's no different than shopping at convention or show. Sometimes you want to go in, get what you want, and go home. Other times you circle around and see how you can maximize every last dollar.

 

[Edge]

That would be hilariously lopsided for us.

Especially if Askarov is on the board.

 

[Heckler81]

I rather draft Khusnutdinov over Lundell. I think Khusnutdinov will be the better player. Khusnutdinov Is boom or bust while Lundell is safer with not such a high upside. Honestly, I think Lundell will be a 3C that is good defensively.

I want the prospect that can be a strong 2C candidate.

 

[Graves94]

I think it's going to be very interesting to see which teams identify a guy they are prepared to move up for, compared to other teams who feel they can get the same calibre of player further back.

And both approaches make sense.

If I was picking 16, I could make a very compelling argument that the guy I get at 22 is on the same tier.

On the flip side, depending on who is on the board, I could justify moving assets and paying a price to get someone who I think is BPA and building my draft success around getting my guys on Day One.

It's no different than shopping at convention or show. Sometimes you want to go in, get what you want, and go home. Other times you circle around and see how you can maximize every last dollar.

To your point, Bergevin said that in this draft, drafting 9th or 45th, the players are of the same caliber...

 

[Edge]

To your point, Bergevin said that in this draft, drafting 9th or 45th, the players are of the same caliber...

And I know some people who feel that way. Personally, I tend to feel like it's like a little further back. I've said that there might not be a heck of a lot of difference between the guy going 15th and 45th.

For example, I have Bordeleau 40th because of some concerns I have about his ability to translate his skills at the higher levels. But make no mistake, there's a BIG reward to be had there if he does. This kid could be every bit as good as a player taken 30 picks higher. And he's not the only prospect for whom you can say that either.

 

[Graves94]

And I know some people who feel that way. Personally, I tend to feel like it's like a little further back. I've said that there might not be a heck of a lot of difference between the guy going 15th and 45th.

For example, I have Bordeleau 40th becuase of some concerns I have about his ability to translate his skills at the higher levels. But make no mistake, there's a BIG reward to be had there if he does. This could be every bit as good as a player taken 30 picks higher. And he's not the only kid for whom you can say that either.

That's why I would want at least a second round pick...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

To your point, Bergevin said that in this draft, drafting 9th or 45th, the players are of the same caliber...

Of course he'd say that, his team has 4 picks within that range

 

[bl02]

To your point, Bergevin said that in this draft, drafting 9th or 45th, the players are of the same caliber...

I missed his press conference. He really said that?

 

[Thirty One]

To your point, Bergevin said that in this draft, drafting 9th or 45th, the players are of the same caliber...

As a team whose picked dropped from 9th to 16th because of a short playoff run, I can see how he'd want that message out there.

 

[Graves94]

I missed his press conference. He really said that?

Said that Saturday morning, after they were eliminated the night before.
He was responding to a question about if it was worth them getting knocked out in the first round, instead of having a chance to draft 1st overall, to which he responded, that there was only a 12.5% chance and that likely the pick would have been 9th.
And yes, like the other poster said, they have 3 second round picks and 2, 3rd round picks...

 

[Edge]

Of course he'd say that, his team has 4 picks within that range

Funny thing is I can see where he's coming from though.

While the "top players" in this draft class didn't quite hit some of the higher levels I thought they might, the depth is pretty remarkable.

If you'd asked me 7 months ago where the line is, I would've said around the 9 spot. Today, I have a line after the 14th pick. In other words, the guy you get at 15 could easily be the guy you get 45 --- which is why I did a top 45 this year.

But for other teams, that line is closer to the top. There are a number of people who believe that line is as high as 6 or 7. Now they don't all agree on who makes the cut, but I can tell you there is at least one organization that thinks someone like Amirov or Gunler is just as intriguing as Raymond and Holtz --- with different strengths and risks attached.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

I don't see us going after Pietrangelo or Taylor Hall. I really don't. I would expect he might fill a couple holes--maybe add an LD for one and try to get Fast back. Sign the RFA's and I think the Rangers would like to keep Strome too without going long term.

0 chance they sign Hall, lol. Even if they had the cap space.

Pietrangelo, now he would be an interesting target, but I think no as well due to the cap, unfortunately.

 

[bl02]

FWIW Pierre on 690 tsn montreal just now says he sees 1-2 North American guys dropping past the top or past 15th who are very very good. guys who can be ready in a year or so top perform well in the NHL. He said this in response to being asked if Montreal should trade the 16th overall for a roster player or more established prospect.
Quinn? Mercer? Jarvis? I'm sure Sanderson is going top 10. Maybe he loves Holloway to throw him in on that tier?

 

[Edge]

Pietraangelo might be one of the steadiest, under-recognized players in the NHL today.

The guy just takes care of business season-in and season-out.

He's never won a Norris, or finished in the top 3 in voting thus far, and yet he's an anchor on defense and cornerstone player on a championship team.

To me, he's an example of the concept that we don't need generational talents, or even award winners at every position to be successful.

There are many damn good players who aren't generational, and never win a major award in their career. And you can build a winner with those guys.

 

[bl02]

0 chance they sign Hall, lol. Even if they had the cap space.

Pietrangelo, now he would be an interesting target, but I think no as well due to the cap, unfortunately.

I know it's mostly hindsight but Pietrangelo/McMichael/Pionk vs Trouba? I know there is a 4 year age difference and Pietrangelo has played some hard minutes but I'm not so sure he's gonna get more Annually than Trouba.

 

[UnSandvich]

I know it's mostly hindsight but Pietrangelo/McMichael/Pionk vs Trouba? I know there is a 4 year age difference and Pietrangelo has played some hard minutes but I'm not so sure he's gonna get more Annually than Trouba.

If he doesn't, it's for one of two reasons:

1. He intentionally takes a discount to stay in St Louis
2. COVID drops the market enough that his best offer is below 8m

 

[B17 Apricots]

I rather draft Khusnutdinov over Lundell. I think Khusnutdinov will be the better player. Khusnutdinov Is boom or bust while Lundell is safer with not such a high upside. Honestly, I think Lundell will be a 3C that is good defensively.

I want the prospect that can be a strong 2C candidate.

Lundell has put up better numbers than dynamic star fwd Mikko Rantanen. We'll see how high his ceiling is but Lundell is the real deal.