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2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part II

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Amazing Kreiderman said:
As credible as any other mock draft/ranking. Depends on how much you value these rankings. The nice thing about Draftsite.com is that they go through all 7 rounds, and update throughout the season
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I don't see these players during a season, so I can't really judge who should be rated where. Was just curious if the players chosen for the mock draft are rated around where a general consensus would have them.

Would Connor Zary be a good fit at #13 and Shakir Mukhamadullin at #23 overall? I'm unfamiliar with both players.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
As credible as any other mock draft/ranking. Depends on how much you value these rankings. The nice thing about Draftsite.com is that they go through all 7 rounds, and update throughout the season
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I don't see these players during a season, so I can't really judge who should be rated where. Was just curious if the players chosen for the mock draft are rated around where a general consensus would have them.

Would Connor Zary be a good fit at #13 and Shakir Mukhamadullin at #23 overall? I'm unfamiliar with both players. I would find it odd if the Rangers select 2 goalies, given their depth there.
 
nsvoyageurs said:
Would Connor Zary be a good fit at #13 and Shakir Mukhamadullin at #23 overall? I'm unfamiliar with both players.
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Yes and yes!!

Zary is a possession monster, stick handling is superb and is strong along the boards. Has the skill to beat players one-on-one and deke someone out of their skates. He's got a good shot, too, and I see his potential as a key top-6 playmaker in the pros. Likes to set others up, but likes to make cuts inside and will make players think twice when they pinch. The thing with Zary that I don't like, though, is his skating. It's good, but he likes to skate with his back bent rather than his legs/ass down. He needs to fix that because he's ultimately not providing that extra gear. That, to me, will determine that aforementioned potential. Other than that, there really isn't any major hole to his game. He battles, he competes, he scores and sets up plays. Pretty much what you want out of your draft picks.

Mukhamadullin is an offensive minded defender, who I think can turn into a good offensive minded two-way defender in pros. Has a booming clapper and has great vision to find open players in the O-zone and breakout. Think he could get a little meaner defensively and backwards skating could use work. He puts pressure on players coming in one-on-one, but uses his stick more than his body. That's fine, but you don't want to get a habit of reaching. That's the lazy way of playing defense. Would need to work on that, very raw still. I think his potential could be a Niklas Hjalmarsson in pros, but more offensive minded than defensive. Defense needs work.
 
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Joey Bones said:
Yes and yes!!

Zary is a possession monster, stick handling is superb and is strong along the boards. Has the skill to beat players one-on-one and deke someone out of their skates. He's got a good shot, too, and I see his potential as a key top-6 playmaker in the pros. Likes to set others up, but likes to make cuts inside and will make players think twice when they pinch. The thing with Zary that I don't like, though, is his skating. It's good, but he likes to skate with his back bent rather than his legs/ass down. He needs to fix that because he's ultimately not providing that extra gear. That, to me, will determine that aforementioned potential. Other than that, there really isn't any major hole to his game. He battles, he competes, he scores and sets up plays. Pretty much what you want out of your draft picks.

Mukhamadullin is an offensive minded defender, who I think can turn into a good offensive minded two-way defender in pros. Has a booming clapper and has great vision to find open players in the O-zone and breakout. Think he could get a little meaner defensively and backwards skating could use work. He puts pressure on players coming in one-on-one, but uses his stick more than his body. That's fine, but you don't want to get a habit of reaching. That's the lazy way of playing defense. Would need to work on that, very raw still. I think his potential could be a Niklas Hjalmarsson in pros, but more offensive minded than defensive. Defense needs work.
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Thanks for the assessments!

So Zary should be no worse the a 3rd line centre with potential to break into the top 6 early in his career. Hjalmarsson is a good player, tho not a top pairing guy. So, basically, Mukhamadullin is a potiential top 4 d'man; how would he rate among the current Ranger defence prospects?
 
nsvoyageurs said:
Thanks for the assessments!

So Zary should be no worse the a 3rd line centre with potential to break into the top 6 early in his career. Hjalmarsson is a good player, tho not a top pairing guy. So, basically, Mukhamadullin is a potiential top 4 d'man; how would he rate among the current Ranger defence prospects?
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Agreed. Think at the very worst, Zary could be a grind scoring bottom 6 forward, but I think he'll play more in the middle 6.

I would say Miller, Lundkvist, Reunanen, Rykov and Hajek are well above Mukhamadullin with Jones, Robertson and possibly Skinner probably in the same bracket. I would put him above Skinner, but just behind Robertson and Jones. He's still incredibly raw defensively, but if he works on the defensive game, he'll be a stud.
 
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Joey Bones said:
Yes and yes!!

Zary is a possession monster, stick handling is superb and is strong along the boards. Has the skill to beat players one-on-one and deke someone out of their skates. He's got a good shot, too, and I see his potential as a key top-6 playmaker in the pros. Likes to set others up, but likes to make cuts inside and will make players think twice when they pinch. The thing with Zary that I don't like, though, is his skating. It's good, but he likes to skate with his back bent rather than his legs/ass down. He needs to fix that because he's ultimately not providing that extra gear. That, to me, will determine that aforementioned potential. Other than that, there really isn't any major hole to his game. He battles, he competes, he scores and sets up plays. Pretty much what you want out of your draft picks.

Mukhamadullin is an offensive minded defender, who I think can turn into a good offensive minded two-way defender in pros. Has a booming clapper and has great vision to find open players in the O-zone and breakout. Think he could get a little meaner defensively and backwards skating could use work. He puts pressure on players coming in one-on-one, but uses his stick more than his body. That's fine, but you don't want to get a habit of reaching. That's the lazy way of playing defense. Would need to work on that, very raw still. I think his potential could be a Niklas Hjalmarsson in pros, but more offensive minded than defensive. Defense needs work.
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Thanks for all of your insight! Do you feel Zary has the ability to be on that second tier of forwards with Holtz, Raymond, Rossi, Perfetti (albeit many aren't completely sold on him) AND would you take him or Halloway if both were available at 13? Or if by some miracle Lundell, Zary and Halloway were all there who would you take since all are listed as centers.
 
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Joey Bones said:
Agreed. Think at the very worst, Zary could be a grind scoring bottom 6 forward, but I think he'll play more in the middle 6.

I would say Miller, Lundkvist, Reunanen, Rykov and Hajek are well above Mukhamadullin with Jones, Robertson and possibly Skinner probably in the same bracket. I would put him above Skinner, but just behind Robertson and Jones. He's still incredibly raw defensively, but if he works on the defensive game, he'll be a stud.
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If that is the case I would rather take a gamble at another forward in the 20's.
 
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bl02 said:
Thanks for all of your insight! Do you feel Zary has the ability to be on that second tier of forwards with Holtz, Raymond, Rossi, Perfetti (albeit many aren't completely sold on him) AND would you take him or Halloway if both were available at 13? Or if by some miracle Lundell, Zary and Halloway were all there who would you take since all are listed as centers.
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I may sound crazy but I would take Zary over Lundell. Holloway will most likely wind up a winger.
 
bl02 said:
Thanks for all of your insight! Do you feel Zary has the ability to be on that second tier of forwards with Holtz, Raymond, Rossi, Perfetti (albeit many aren't completely sold on him) AND would you take him or Halloway if both were available at 13? Or if by some miracle Lundell, Zary and Halloway were all there who would you take since all are listed as centers.
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I'll answer in parts....

I don't think Zary is in the same tier as those players. I feel they can take the game on their own sticks and won't need any complimentary players to do so. Zary could do that if he works on his skating, but at this stage would need support to get offense. I would put him below Holtz, Rossi, Perfetti and to some extent Raymond. I have Zary as a middle-early 20's 1st round talent.

I could go either way with either Zary or Holloway at No. 13. Like I said before, Zary has practically zero flaws to his game minus the skating. Think he would need more time to develop, but it's there. As for Holloway, he's playing in the NCAA a year "early" and has all the tools to become a behemoth of big, speedy and physical in the pros. He's mean, too. My thing is that his offense needs to not come from around him. Thought there were a lot of times he benefitted being on a line with Caufield, Turcotte and Miller via the PP where his points inflated. But when I say that, he does have flashes of doing it all on his own. I won't lie, I think Holloway could be a similar player to Tom Wilson. Big, in your face, speedy, physical and dumb. Would take a lot of aggressor penalties to get under the skin of opponents. At the end of it, I think it goes by potential. IMO, Holloway has a higher floor than Zary because he already plays an incredible grind style of hockey for an NHL bottom-6. If he can put the tools together without complimentary offense, he's going to be a special combination of the aforementioned traits. On the other hand, Zary has the higher ceiling. If he gets the skating together, you could have a Bo Horvat type of "200-foot player". He has a bigger risk factor than Holloway, though. If it were between them two, I'd go "safe" with Holloway and hope he can bring the game to his style of play.

Then there's Lundell. Lundell I think out of the three players mentioned is the closest to being a center in the NHL. Think Zary and Holloway could be wingers (more so Zary than Holloway, but you get it). Not to mention Lundell also has been playing pro hockey for two seasons and is now finally in his first year eligible. His offensive mind and skill trumps those two players and is getting looks at the national team. He finds open spaces nicely to get open for a set-up to score or on the defensive finds and blocks open spaces, battles deep and helps the defensemen out. Thinks very well with the puck on his stick and without it. Think he is the closest to pro ready with the potential to be a 1C in the NHL. When it comes to all three players available at No. 13, I'm picking Lundell without any hesitation.
 
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bl02 said:
If that is the case I would rather take a gamble at another forward in the 20's.
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I'll be honest, me too, but I wouldn't be upset with him with NYR's 2nd first rounder. You could see the offensive/two-way skill. Just needs to get consistent defensively.
 
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CharlestownChiefsESC said:
I may sound crazy but I would take Zary over Lundell. Holloway will most likely wind up a winger.
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Yeah, I would think you're crazy. Lundell has been playing pro hockey for two seasons and is now a first year eligible. Has more offensive skill than any of those three players and is loved by his coaches. Dependency as an 18 year old in your sophomore season in Liiga is high praise, IMO.
 
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My super preliminary top xx look something like this:

1. Laf
2. Stutzle
3. Raymond
4. Byfield
5. Rossi
6. Nybeck
7. Lundell
8. Andrae
9. Drysdale
10. Holtz
11. Perfetti
12. Mukhamadullin
13. Amirov
14. Sanderson
15. Askarov
16. Peterka
17. Greig
18. Zary
19. Mysak
20. Guhle
21. Boderleau
22. Foudy
23. Tuch
24. Smilanec
25. Quinn
26. Grans
27. Hirvonen
28. Bednar
29. Reichel
30. Gunler
31. Mercer

Thoughts? Its super preliminary, I've never posted a ranking having watched as little as I have this year.
 
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Ola said:
My super preliminary top xx look something like this:

1. Laf
2. Stutzle
3. Raymond
4. Byfield
5. Rossi
6. Nybeck
7. Lundell
8. Andrae
9. Drysdale
10. Holtz
11. Perfetti
12. Mukhamadullin
13. Amirov
14. Sanderson
15. Askarov
16. Peterka
17. Greig
18. Zary
19. Mysak
20. Guhle
21. Boderleau
22. Foudy
23. Tuch
24. Smilanec
25. Quinn
26. Grans
27. Hirvonen
28. Bednar
29. Reichel
30. Gunler
31. Mercer

Thoughts? Its super preliminary, I've never posted a ranking having watched as little as I have this year.
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's Holloway?
 
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Joey Bones said:
Yeah, I would think you're crazy. Lundell has been playing pro hockey for two seasons and is now a first year eligible. Has more offensive skill than any of those three players and is loved by his coaches. Dependency as an 18 year old in your sophomore season in Liiga is high praise, IMO.
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I’m way with you, I think this board really undersells Lundell’s offensive capabilities
 
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Ola said:
My super preliminary top xx look something like this:

1. Laf
2. Stutzle
3. Raymond
4. Byfield
5. Rossi
6. Nybeck
7. Lundell
8. Andrae
9. Drysdale
10. Holtz
11. Perfetti
12. Mukhamadullin
13. Amirov
14. Sanderson
15. Askarov
16. Peterka
17. Greig
18. Zary
19. Mysak
20. Guhle
21. Boderleau
22. Foudy
23. Tuch
24. Smilanec
25. Quinn
26. Grans
27. Hirvonen
28. Bednar
29. Reichel
30. Gunler
31. Mercer

Thoughts? Its super preliminary, I've never posted a ranking having watched as little as I have this year.
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Raymond isn't going before Rossi and Nybeck is certainly not going in the top 10. Mukhamadullin is too high and so is Andrae. Holloway no where on the list? Mercer at No. 31?

I respectively say, my friend, go back to the drawing board. A lot off there, but I commend the different approach.
 
Lundell and Holloway would be a great draft, but probably too optimistic... Lundell adds that center prospect they lack and Holloway brings an important element to the middle six that this team hasn't had for a long time.
 
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Raymond isn't going before Rossi and Nybeck is certainly not going in the top 10. Mukhamadullin is too high and so is Andrae. Holloway no where on the list? Mercer at No. 31?

I respectively say, my friend, go back to the drawing board. A lot off there, but I commend the different approach.
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Raymond had an unfulfilling season in terms of getting a ton of attention. How good did he play? How much did he develop? I think its hard to tell. Like he went into the WJCs nothing skated for a bunch of weeks and so forth. The kid is really good, think its hard to rank him.

Most of my ranking is a complete dart throwing mess. But a few things. In previous years we have seen extreme movement by European players from January to June. Now we are stuck at the January ranking. I think Nybeck and Andrae could have been two candidates to make a Kravtsov/Kotkaniemi jump. They are small but don't play small. Very special talents hands down. Andrae is the youngest player to play top hockey in Sweden ever. I like these kids a lot.
 
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