2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part II

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I think the Rangers take Sanderson if he's there with their 1st pick.
Why wouldn't they? At this point, unless they land in the lottery with the 2nd pick, it is all about ammunition. Sanderson provides that. At this point, I would not take him ahead of a Lundell, but will admit that currently it's a bit of a toss up between him and Holloway when it comes to who will realistically be available.
 
Lukas Reichel doesn’t look special but all he does is produce, positioning is exceptional and he finishes the plays. His ES P/60 is ridiculous.
 
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Why wouldn't they? At this point, unless they land in the lottery with the 2nd pick, it is all about ammunition. Sanderson provides that. At this point, I would not take him ahead of a Lundell, but will admit that currently it's a bit of a toss up between him and Holloway when it comes to who will realistically be available.

I think you have to get a hit on the picks. Whether it's one pick that's taken and the other traded, both 1st rounders need to turn out an NHLer. Sanderson looks like the makings of a very good pro. He might go in the top 10 depending on a team's need for a defenseman. I think in the years to come, it will be harder to find competent defensemen, but forwards will be easier to acquire. A number of draft classes in recent years haven't provided a lot of quality defensemen.

You take them where you can imo.
 
Lukas Reichel doesn’t look special but all he does is produce, positioning is exceptional and he finishes the plays. His ES P/60 is ridiculous.

I feel like Reichel is going to have a Vinny Prospal like career. Not flashy or highly noticeable until you look at the stat sheet and he's above PPG. Solid is what I would describe his potential to be.
 
Apologies everyone, haven't been online much with this whole thing going on. Updated mocks are below....

2020 NHL Mock Draft & Simulator | Tankathon

1 (13) D: Jake Sanderson (USA)(6'1"/185lbs., Shot: Left, USNTDP/USHL) *21/22 U. of North Dakota Commit*
1 (23) C: Jacob Perreault (CAN)(5'9"/198lbs., Shot: Right, Sarnia/OHL)

2020 NHL Mock Draft | 2020 NHL Draft | NHL Draft

1 (13) C: Dylan Holloway (CAN)(6'0"/191lbs., Shot: Left, U. of Wisconsin/NCAA)
1 (23) D: Braden Schneider (CAN)(6'1"/209lbs., Shot: Right, Brandon/WHL)

NHL Mock Draft 2020: Predictions for Alexis Lafreniere and Top Prospects

1 (13) C: Dylan Holloway (CAN)(6'0"/191lbs., Shot: Left, U. of Wisconsin/NCAA)
1 (23) C: Mavrik Bourque (CAN)(5'8"/165lbs., Shot: Right, Shawinigan/QMJHL)

2020 NHL Mock Draft - NHL - DraftSite.com

1 (13) RW: Dawson Mercer (CAN)(6'0"/178lbs., Shot: Right, Chicoutimi/QMJHL)
1 (23) D: Ryan O'Rourke (CAN)(6'1"/180lbs., Shot: Left, Sault Ste. Marie/OHL)
3 (75) D: Simon Kubicek (CZR)(6'1"/194lbs., Shot: Right, Seattle/WHL)
3 (84) C: Wyatt Schingoethe (USA)(5'9"/189lbs., Shot: Left, Waterloo/USHL) *21/22 U. of Denver Commit*
4 (106) RW: Ryder Rolston (USA)(6'1"/167lbs., Shot: Right, Waterloo/USHL) *20/21 U. of Notre Dame Commit*
5 (137) D: Dylan Robinson (CAN)(6'3"/178lbs., Shot: Left, Windsor/OHL)
6 (168) RW: Charles Beaudoin (CAN)(6'0"/174lbs., Shot: Right, Shawinigan/QMJHL)
7 (199) D: Anthony Kehrer (CAN)(5'9"/196lbs., Shot: Right, Sioux City/USHL) *20/21 U. of Wisconsin Commit*
7 (203) LW: Jakob Brook (CAN)(6'2"/185lbs., Shot: Right, Regina/WHL)
7 (204) D: Brendan Kennette (CAN)(6'1"/189lbs., Shot: Left, Burlington/OJHL) *21/22 Sacred Heart U. Commit*

Not a good draft, IMO. I do like Mercer as a player. He has a scoring touch with some snarl to his forecheck/backcheck. But how much of his play is pro ready? Seems very "juniors". Besides, the Rangers haven't really picked out of the "Q" in a while. Don't like O'Rourke here. Think he could be in the 2nd round and is an unnecessary reach. I don't think his offense will translate to the pros with a bottom pairing potential, IMO. Kubicek is okay, but again an unnecessary reach. Think he could be available later in the draft say in the 5th. I like Schingoethe, plays a grinding offensive role and think he could add more snarl. Going to a good program in Denver. I think Rolston is underrated, but this is a good spot to take the faller. Think if everything pans out he could be a lesser version of Brassard in pros. Robinson is the discount O'Rourke. I wouldn't have picked him at all and takes way too many penalties. Maybe a 7th rounder. I like the Beaudoin pick here. Obvious growth in development over the years, could be a good gamble late. Again not sure how much "juniors" is in him. Kehrer is an okay gamble, but going to a bad situation in Wisconsin. Would rather NYR gamble with someone else with these picks. Brook won't get drafted, neither will Kennette.

Thoughts?
 
I feel like Reichel is going to have a Vinny Prospal like career. Not flashy or highly noticeable until you look at the stat sheet and he's above PPG. Solid is what I would describe his potential to be.

Agreed. Probably doesn't have that home run swing type potential that people like to aim for in the top 15 or 20, but as a pick in the 20s, I think there's the potential for tremendous value there.
 
I think the Rangers take Sanderson if he's there with their 1st pick. If you think about it, this is one historically weak class for the USNDP. Meaning that team does not have a single PPG player. Not one.

Usually you have a couple of guys past that, and some studs that dominate the games. So I don't look at the offense from Sanderson as something that is below par or not there, the whole team can't score. What I think the appeal is with him, is that he is a big kid, that can skate, but most importantly knows how to play the pro game.

If you look around the league, and you are looking for LHD that are top 4 defensemen that was under 26.... you do not find a whole lot of them. I posted about how weak some of the past draft classes were in terms of producing top 4 guys.... well that is catching up with the league now. What that means is that there will be a shortage, and given that is the case, this will cause teams to overpay for players that will result in cap constraints later.

The Rangers went through this with Staal, G, Smith, Shatts.... so why not backfill?

It's not too different from the Nashville model for many years.
From what I’ve heard, Sanderson is the likely pick. I’d be very happy with that. Said earlier they really like Andrae too. I’d be very surprised if our first pick was a forward. Have no idea what they do with the 2nd first pick but I believe they added it in case a trade pops up and they wanted to clear Skjei’s salary before everyone realized he isn’t a promising young D anymore. Would love Dawson Mercer/Connor Zary if we don’t go D. With the 2nd first pick, if we make the pick it’ll be for someone who projects to be a great 3rd liner. Off the top of my head, someone like Jake Neighbours.

Can anyone tell me more about the top D in this class? Drysdale I don’t care for as there’s no way he’s a Ranger. Sanderson I already know a lot of, incredible stick work defensively and a very good skater. After that I really like Alex? Nikishin who’s like Zadorov. I’m not too sure how the order is for the next 5 or so Dmen bc I haven’t been keeping up with this class. If anyone wants to tell me more about good targets for the 2nd pick I’m willing to listen as well. Need to start catching up
 
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From what I’ve heard, Sanderson is the likely pick. I’d be very happy with that. Said earlier they really like Andrae too. I’d be very surprised if our first pick was a forward. Have no idea what they do with the 2nd first pick but I believe they added it in case a trade pops up and they wanted to clear Skjei’s salary before everyone realized he isn’t a promising young D anymore. Would love Dawson Mercer/Connor Zary if we don’t go D. With the 2nd first pick, if we make the pick it’ll be for someone who projects to be a great 3rd liner. Off the top of my head, someone like Jake Neighbours.

Can anyone tell me more about the top D in this class? Drysdale I don’t care for as there’s no way he’s a Ranger. Sanderson I already know a lot of, incredible stick work defensively and a very good skater. After that I really like Alex? Nikishin who’s like Zadorov. I’m not too sure how the order is for the next 5 or so Dmen bc I haven’t been keeping up with this class. If anyone wants to tell me more about good targets for the 2nd pick I’m willing to listen as well. Need to start catching up

Morgan's brother Justin Barron has been injured this year, but he was slated as a top 10 pick coming into the season. One guy I heard good things about is Yan Kuznetsov. Climbed up the rankings this year.

It's an interesting situation. Every hockey guy I talked to thinks that it's harder and harder to find good defensemen these days. They take a while to develop, and some of the drafts from the mid 2010s produced very few. So the value of the commodity has gone up. If you walk away with Sanderson & Barron, then you are walking away with a potential top 4 pairing.

As far as the forwards go, I don't know much about Neighbours, but really like Foudy. The guy isn't going to be a top 6 option by any stretch, but it is rare that you get that type of speed. Guys that can skate like that find a way to get looks in the NHL, and I think he can land a job as a very effective checker. I would put the skating close to that McDavid tier. Lacks the hands, skills, and creativity, but I think he would be a transition and zone entry machine with the puck, and a guy that can disrupt set breakouts with his forechecking ability.

I would avoid "upside" forwards in the 1st if they aren't great athletes, or picked up the pace as a late birthday. To me, the Rangers need to look at the draft as a commodified market place. With guys like Bread, Zib, Trouba, Shesty, the RHDs. The Rangers are a couple of supporting pieces away from a window.

So you make sure you get hits on the picks, or trade them for a long term player early in the 22-29 in-prime window who fills a role.
 
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Apologies everyone, haven't been online much with this whole thing going on. Updated mocks are below....

2020 NHL Mock Draft & Simulator | Tankathon

1 (13) D: Jake Sanderson (USA)(6'1"/185lbs., Shot: Left, USNTDP/USHL) *21/22 U. of North Dakota Commit*
1 (23) C: Jacob Perreault (CAN)(5'9"/198lbs., Shot: Right, Sarnia/OHL)

2020 NHL Mock Draft | 2020 NHL Draft | NHL Draft

1 (13) C: Dylan Holloway (CAN)(6'0"/191lbs., Shot: Left, U. of Wisconsin/NCAA)
1 (23) D: Braden Schneider (CAN)(6'1"/209lbs., Shot: Right, Brandon/WHL)

NHL Mock Draft 2020: Predictions for Alexis Lafreniere and Top Prospects

1 (13) C: Dylan Holloway (CAN)(6'0"/191lbs., Shot: Left, U. of Wisconsin/NCAA)
1 (23) C: Mavrik Bourque (CAN)(5'8"/165lbs., Shot: Right, Shawinigan/QMJHL)

2020 NHL Mock Draft - NHL - DraftSite.com

1 (13) RW: Dawson Mercer (CAN)(6'0"/178lbs., Shot: Right, Chicoutimi/QMJHL)
1 (23) D: Ryan O'Rourke (CAN)(6'1"/180lbs., Shot: Left, Sault Ste. Marie/OHL)
3 (75) D: Simon Kubicek (CZR)(6'1"/194lbs., Shot: Right, Seattle/WHL)
3 (84) C: Wyatt Schingoethe (USA)(5'9"/189lbs., Shot: Left, Waterloo/USHL) *21/22 U. of Denver Commit*
4 (106) RW: Ryder Rolston (USA)(6'1"/167lbs., Shot: Right, Waterloo/USHL) *20/21 U. of Notre Dame Commit*
5 (137) D: Dylan Robinson (CAN)(6'3"/178lbs., Shot: Left, Windsor/OHL)
6 (168) RW: Charles Beaudoin (CAN)(6'0"/174lbs., Shot: Right, Shawinigan/QMJHL)
7 (199) D: Anthony Kehrer (CAN)(5'9"/196lbs., Shot: Right, Sioux City/USHL) *20/21 U. of Wisconsin Commit*
7 (203) LW: Jakob Brook (CAN)(6'2"/185lbs., Shot: Right, Regina/WHL)
7 (204) D: Brendan Kennette (CAN)(6'1"/189lbs., Shot: Left, Burlington/OJHL) *21/22 Sacred Heart U. Commit*

Not a good draft, IMO. I do like Mercer as a player. He has a scoring touch with some snarl to his forecheck/backcheck. But how much of his play is pro ready? Seems very "juniors". Besides, the Rangers haven't really picked out of the "Q" in a while. Don't like O'Rourke here. Think he could be in the 2nd round and is an unnecessary reach. I don't think his offense will translate to the pros with a bottom pairing potential, IMO. Kubicek is okay, but again an unnecessary reach. Think he could be available later in the draft say in the 5th. I like Schingoethe, plays a grinding offensive role and think he could add more snarl. Going to a good program in Denver. I think Rolston is underrated, but this is a good spot to take the faller. Think if everything pans out he could be a lesser version of Brassard in pros. Robinson is the discount O'Rourke. I wouldn't have picked him at all and takes way too many penalties. Maybe a 7th rounder. I like the Beaudoin pick here. Obvious growth in development over the years, could be a good gamble late. Again not sure how much "juniors" is in him. Kehrer is an okay gamble, but going to a bad situation in Wisconsin. Would rather NYR gamble with someone else with these picks. Brook won't get drafted, neither will Kennette.

Thoughts?
I dislike all of these.
 
Morgan's brother Justin Barron has been injured this year, but he was slated as a top 10 pick coming into the season. One guy I heard good things about is Yan Kuznetsov. Climbed up the rankings this year.

It's an interesting situation. Every hockey guy I talked to thinks that it's harder and harder to find good defensemen these days. They take a while to develop, and some of the drafts from the mid 2010s produced very few. So the value of the commodity has gone up. If you walk away with Sanderson & Barron, then you are walking away with a potential top 4 pairing.

As far as the forwards go, I don't know much about Neighbours, but really like Foudy. The guy isn't going to be a top 6 option by any stretch, but it is rare that you get that type of speed. Guys that can skate like that find a way to get looks in the NHL, and I think he can land a job as a very effective checker. I would put the skating close to that McDavid tier. Lacks the hands, skills, and creativity, but I think he would be a transition and zone entry machine with the puck, and a guy that can disrupt set breakouts with his forechecking ability.

I would avoid "upside" forwards in the 1st if they aren't great athletes, or picked up the pace as a late birthday. To me, the Rangers need to look at the draft as a commodified market place. With guys like Bread, Zib, Trouba, Shesty, the RHDs. The Rangers are a couple of supporting pieces away from a window.

So you make sure you get hits on the picks, or trade them for a long term player early in the 22-29 in-prime window who fills a role.
Don’t agree with that philosophy, finding supporting players is easy if you are a smart FO, always swing for high end skill players.
 
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I like Foudy. I think he ends up as one of the better bottom six players in the league. He might be the fastest RH center in the NHL after Barzal. The hand skills, and puck skills are not there at all. But the speed, he will be one of the fastest players in the NHL, and I think that gets him into a role where he will be a very effective player.

IMO it's a pick like Foudy is one where it's a part of a winning formula when you are building a team.
I too subscribe to the one-extramarital-standout-skill-better-than-a-few-better-than-average-skills school of thought.
 
Foudy intrigues next too, but also scares me. Is the hockey sense really there? Think the ingridiences are there that could mean that you both get good or bad value. Ie no one side the speed is there but not the production but that could come real fast. On the other side, does he have the hockey sense? Like his skill/speed don’t guarantee a thing. Certainly not that he even can top someone like Namestnikov. He isn’t that skilled.

I’ve not seen enough of him to sort these things out.
 
Zion Nybeck will intrigue a lot of people out there. It really sucks not having an early 2nd if he could be around that long.

The kid has been waiting in line in the SHL for a long time and when he is ready and get his chance the season is shut down.

There is a real legit unwarranted size bias still in the NHL at forward. I listened to some podcast around the deadline, think it was 31 thoughts, and they were just raving about Josh Andersson. Saying stuff like “you don’t trade someone like him. If you could get your hands on him, boy howdy the price will be high” and so forth.

WTF, the guy had ONE (1) goal in 26 games lol. Half injured or not. Look at other guys in that category and how long they have lasted and how well they have faired, from Lucic to JVR to Bobby Ryan and so forth. I have nothing against Josh Andersson — but these guys are hardly setting the NHL on fire.

Everyone are talking about how much better scouting is right now etc. DeBrincat has had a ton of success and just recently dropped to the 2nd round. Tampa have had a lot of success drafting smaller skilled players.

It’s all about SKATING. Doesn’t matter if you are 5’7-9. Who can skate?

Zion Nybeck isn’t a fantastic skater, but he is a really good skater. Great hockey sense. Could be a great value pick.
 
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