Rumor: 2020-21 Trade Rumours and FA Part VIII: Intra-Playoff Edition?

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Does anyone think Eichel wants to play 2nd fiddle to anyone? I don't feel like he would.
How would Mack feel with multiple people making more than one him and dies that impact his next contract negotiations?

I'm not convinced Danault can be a 2C here. I get what people are talking about as far as him just feeding his wingers, but if he's not a scoring threat himself....

We need out ELCs so much right now. We can't really deal much from that pool of players.
Does Draisaitl care about playing 2nd fiddle to McDavid? Malkin to Crosby? Tavares to Matthews? Backstrom to Kuznetsov?

These things always have ways of working. Especially if you loaded up PP1 with all of Eichel, MacKinnon, Rantanen and Landeskog.

I still want Sakic to go all in on Eichel. Don't know how he does it, but would love for it to happen. A one-two punch of MacKinnon/Eichel down the middle for at minimum the next two Stanley Cup runs is too good to pass up.
 
Does Draisaitl care about playing 2nd fiddle to McDavid? Malkin to Crosby? Tavares to Matthews? Backstrom to Kuznetsov?

These things always have ways of working. Especially if you loaded up PP1 with all of Eichel, MacKinnon, Rantanen and Landeskog.

I still want Sakic to go all in on Eichel. Don't know how he does it, but would love for it to happen. A one-two punch of MacKinnon/Eichel down the middle for at minimum the next two Stanley Cup runs is too good to pass up.

Yup... Eichel is one guy I wouldn't mind moving a core guy for. Jones is the other. Anybody else that is realistically on the market, not worth that sort of big move.
 
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My idea of a perfect off season.
You really think you're getting Seth Jones for a B+ level prospect, a ? 2nd liner with one year until ufa, a broken EJ , and a 1st?

Girard or Byram would have to be the starting point. Most likely something like Girard, Kadri (salary purposes), Barron, and a 1st. You got to give to get a quality player like Jones.


The package you suggested gets beat by every single team in the league.
 
You really think you're getting Seth Jones for a B+ level prospect, a ? 2nd liner with one year until ufa, a broken EJ , and a 1st?

Girard or Byram would have to be the starting point. Most likely something like Girard, Kadri (salary purposes), Barron, and a 1st. You got to give to get a quality player like Jones.


The package you suggested gets beat by every single team in the league.
That’s the going rental price. Players like Girard and Byram don’t get moved for players with one year left on their contract.

CBJ is desperate for Centre’s, Kadri would be a 1C on that team. EJ replaces Seth Jones in their line up and they get a 1st and a potential top 4 defenseman.

What did Mark Stone with an extension return? People overestimate prices of good players. When was the last time a big name player returned a king’s ransom?
 
What piece in that trade is equivalent to a Girard or Byram? Seth Jones is also not the caliber of Erik Kalrsson at the time of the trade. At the time of that trade people thought Ottawa practically gave Karlsson away for free

19th overall pick, late first(thought to be at the time) and a bunch of bottom 6 players.
 
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What piece in that trade is equivalent to a Girard or Byram? Seth Jones is also not the caliber of Erik Kalrsson at the time of the trade. At the time of that trade people thought Ottawa practically gave Karlsson away for free.

I think people are kinda morons. I got the run trying to state how good of a prospect Norris was and he's a similar level of prospect as Byram now. Byram looks like a future 2/3D. Norris was in that high end 2C sort of prospect. That isn't dissimilar. Now G has more value than both by a good amount because he's a top pairing guy on a sweetheart deal. It would be a massive overcorrection by the Avs to send G for Jones IMO. Tierney was a younger middle 6 center and DeMelo was a low end top 4 guy that Ottawa got slagged for because he wasn't qualified. Without the expectation of that pick becoming what it did, Ottawa got a haul.
 
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Avs need to solve center prior to worrying about wings. I'd kill for the Avs to have JGP or Trocheck right now... and if that was the case, the Avs would still be playing.

For shame Sakic. For shame.

Even E. Staal/J Carter/Bennet would have made a difference.
 
I think people are kinda morons. I got the run trying to state how good of a prospect Norris was and he's a similar level of prospect as Byram now. Byram looks like a future 2/3D. Norris was in that high end 2C sort of prospect. That isn't dissimilar. Now G has more value than both by a good amount because he's a top pairing guy on a sweetheart deal. It would be a massive overcorrection by the Avs to send G for Jones IMO. Tierney was a younger middle 6 center and DeMelo was a low end top 4 guy that Ottawa got slagged for because he wasn't qualified. Without the expectation of that pick becoming what it did, Ottawa got a haul.
I didn’t think much of Norris, obviously I was proven wrong but I still think Byram is much more highly touted than Norris was at the time.
 
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Does Draisaitl care about playing 2nd fiddle to McDavid? Malkin to Crosby? Tavares to Matthews? Backstrom to Kuznetsov?

These things always have ways of working. Especially if you loaded up PP1 with all of Eichel, MacKinnon, Rantanen and Landeskog.

I still want Sakic to go all in on Eichel. Don't know how he does it, but would love for it to happen. A one-two punch of MacKinnon/Eichel down the middle for at minimum the next two Stanley Cup runs is too good to pass up.

So, that's 50/50ish on cup wins. Without a flat cap. I have no interest in becoming TML west or Edmonton.

I've thought about how great Eichel would be, but I worry about where our depth ends up with the assets lost and possibly players to lose due to cap.

I get that players like Eichel aren't available often, but I also think Sakic can dig up a 2C that's cheaper and add other complimentary players.

I guess we'll see. It could work well.
 
That Tkachuk contract is ugly but he would be such a welcome addition to the forward corp. He would be our "Lemiuex". Would trade Burakovsky+ in a heartbeat for him if somehow Sakic could pull off his magic.

Burakovsky + Girard for Tkachuk and a defensemen
 
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That Tkachuk contract is ugly but he would be a such a welcome addition to the forward corp. He would be our "Lemiuex". Would trade Burakovsky+ in a heartbeat for him if somehow Sakic could pull off his magic.

Burakovsky + Girard for Tkachuk and a defensemen
Obviously not our concern but that would make Calgary even softer and smaller and this is a Darryl Sutter coached team . Don’t think they accept at all
 
If only Tkachuk was a center...

DNVR guys are talking about a Girard-Tkachuk straight up trade. Yikes. I'd pretty easily trade Girard for a legit center or Seth Jones but for a winger? No thanks..
 
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I decided to give CapFriendly's GM tool a try and lets just say I didn't realize just how tough it might be for Sakic and co if Makar and Landeskog get top dollar. I had around $4M left in cap space and didn't have a starting goalie yet. My only outside additions were Oleksiak and Stastny at reasonable prices (I think it was a combined $6.5M cap hit) and I could barely fill out the roster. That was also while I bought out EJ and sent Graves to Seattle in the expansion draft, which there is no guarantee of.

Hopefully they can get creative and do something about Compher because that contract stands out the most. Donskoi isn't great either but at least he kinda contributes and you need another wing in the top nine.
 
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I didn’t think much of Norris, obviously I was proven wrong but I still think Byram is much more highly touted than Norris was at the time.

I think he's more highly touted by hockey media for sure... not sure if he's better. I think the disconnect between what front offices value and how they rate players compared to fans and media is underestimated.
 
So, that's 50/50ish on cup wins. Without a flat cap. I have no interest in becoming TML west or Edmonton.

I've thought about how great Eichel would be, but I worry about where our depth ends up with the assets lost and possibly players to lose due to cap.

I get that players like Eichel aren't available often, but I also think Sakic can dig up a 2C that's cheaper and add other complimentary players.

I guess we'll see. It could work well.
Go back to when the salary cap was implemented and look at all of the teams to win with their 1/2 C's:

2006 Carolina: Staal/Brind'Amour
2007 Anaheim: McDonald/Getzlaf
2008 Detroit: Datsyuk/Zetterberg
2009 Pittsburgh: Crosby/Malkin
2010 Chicago: Toews/Sharp
2011 Boston: Bergeron/Krejci
2012 L.A: Kopitar/Carter
2013 Chicago: Toews/Sharp
2014 L.A.: Kopitar/Carter
2015 Chicago: Toews/Richards
2016 Pittsburgh: Crosby/Malkin
2017 Pittsburgh: Crosby/Malkin
2018 Washington: Kuznetsov/Backstrom
2019 St. Louis: O'Reilly/Schenn
2020 Tampa Bay: Point/Cirelli

Tell me where the Avs come close on that list right now? 2015 when Chicago had Toews and a clearly declining Brad Richards as their 2C? 2007 when Anaheim had a still very young Ryan Getzlaf as 2C?

The point of this is, 1/2 punches down the middle are so damn dangerous and almost every single Stanley Cup winning team has that element on their roster. You don't win with one great centre unless the other three centres combined are playing good hockey. In Chicago's case in 2015 they had Antoine Vermette and Dave Bolland in the 3/4 slots, that is VERY good and luxurious to have.

Nazem Kadri has proven he cannot be relied upon in the playoffs three times now. You either ship his ass out, or you bring in someone better and demote him to the 3C slot.
 
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