Rumor: 2020-21 Trade Rumours and FA Part VIII: Intra-Playoff Edition?

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

When the NHL says don't do something you don't do it. They warned teams with the long term contracts that there would be hell to pay. And the Canucks have been stuck with Longo's cap hit for awhile.

Someone smarter than me can comment but I would bet the rules around the salary cap have some type of catch all rule for general shenanigans that the league doesn't like.

Even if it was allowed... Why would the Avs want EJ at $2m?

He's bound to get hurt so you need another NHL capable player in the AHL or you get Nemeth again. You people want more Nemeth? That's what happens if you rely on EJ playing regularly.

Same thing with Calvert (and possibly LOC). Do you want Dries and Sherwood in the playoffs? Or Ranta and Kaut?

 

[Foppa2118]

I don't think anyone really believed the Caps didn't intend to bring back Orpik.

What I think happened was they let him see if he could get one last big money deal from another team and then signed him about a month later after he didn't. So if the NHL pretended to buy that, then Sakic can just wait a month to sign EJ, and they'll just be following the precedent the NHL already approved.

If the NHL nixes EJ signing back with the Avs after a trade/buyout, then he can just sign a cheap one or two year deal with a NTC for a leadership role on a rebuilding team, and a handshake deal to trade him back to Colorado at next years deadline for a pick or prospect.

Don't see how the NHL could block that as it's not the same as the Orpik situation that there's nothing in the CBA preventing and they let go through anyway.

 

[MarkT]

I would NEVER do this. If we were to trade for Jones I would prefer to send a smaller package and receive him without the extension. Dude has been bad for 2 years. No way I’m moving Girard.

I don't really want to trade Girard, but given that all three of him, Toews and Byram play the left side, and I'd rather none of them play the right side long-term, someone may need to be moved eventually. Given his awesome contract and strong regular seasons, Girard should have a lot of value to any team looking for a puck-moving defensemen. Given his performance in the playoffs (now and in the past), he's probably the one who should be moved if we're trading a defenseman.

Jones, meanwhile, certainly had underperformed based on analytics, but my issue with using analytics to judge defensemen is they generally seem to overvalue things like zone entries and exits and have no stat to judge how well they cover their man or protect the front of the net. Also, given how our coaching staff worked with Toews, if the Avs target him, I have faith that Jones' game would improve significantly on our team, especially if you paired him with Byram or Toews.

As for the package to acquire him, I'm not very good generally at making mock trades or figuring out what is realistic value. I floated that as a guess, but I honestly don't know what it would actually take to make such a trade.

 

[Hasbro]

They came very close to doing just that.

Ultimately they allowed it because it was technically not a violation of any rules... But like I said, they made it very clear to all 31 teams in the league not to try that kind of move again.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

I think Carolina takes a step back if they lose Hamilton.

 

[AvsFanInMichigan]

Avs replace Graves and Girard with Jones and Hamilton. Hamilton , Jones, Toews , Makar , Byram , Johnson.

 

[Ararana]

I think people are focusing in the wrong direction. The Avs need another quality 1B, 2A type center. Not more defenseman.

I'll admit the Jones connection to Sakic gives me a lot of pause, and I'd swap Girard for Jones easily because Jones is a damn beast of a defenseman and him in place of Girard rounds their defense out very nicely not only in size but in handedness and play style as well.

But if they're really looking to make this team better I think they're number one propriety is to go out and find MacKinnon some top six center support. Kadri's disappearance both on the ice and via suspension killed this team from the inside.

I'd probably be looking at maybe a Newhook package to a team looking to shed cap. It sucks Vancouver made Horvat their captain, he would be a pretty damn nice fit behind MacKinnon.

 

[Pokecheque]

I think Carolina takes a step back if they lose Hamilton.

Maybe but he’s not their most important defender. Slavin is. If they give Subban money to Dougie IMO they will regret it.

Seriously doubt a sign and trade happens. That eighth year doesn’t seem to be that important.

 

[redacted]

The Hamilton thing just seems like a negotiation tactic. Basically, go out and see if you'll get more than 6.5m we're offering. Slink back when you can't. Seems like a very Dundon sort of move to me, and one that could bite him. Hamilton, even with his flaws as a player, is still a damn good top pairing guy who is one of the best offensive guys in the league.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

When you give teams permission to speak to a player there are no restrictions on what they can discuss. Contracts can fully be discussed even more so than the pre-UFA negotiating window. I understand Carolina’s plan by opening up the 8th year option so they can get something in a trade return but unfortunately for them all these discussions are going to lead to is a pre-determined contract for the eventual signing team to have drafted up and ready to sign at 12pm est on free agent day.

Some team will be happy. They will likely have a handshake agreement in place without any broken tampering rules and allow them to go into the draft while already knowing what their free agency plans are. That’s quite the head start on an offseason for a GM.

 

[Chiarelli]

Avs replace Graves and Girard with Jones and Hamilton. Hamilton , Jones, Toews , Makar , Byram , Johnson.

and the nhl replaces the salary cap with a wooden abacus

 

[Iceberg]

Has Joe Sakic asked Jarmo for permission to discuss an extension with Jones already?

 

[flyfysher]

I think people are focusing in the wrong direction. The Avs need another quality 1B, 2A type center. Not more defenseman.

I'll admit the Jones connection to Sakic gives me a lot of pause, and I'd swap Girard for Jones easily because Jones is a damn beast of a defenseman and him in place of Girard rounds their defense out very nicely not only in size but in handedness and play style as well.

But if they're really looking to make this team better I think they're number one propriety is to go out and find MacKinnon some top six center support. Kadri's disappearance both on the ice and via suspension killed this team from the inside.

I'd probably be looking at maybe a Newhook package to a team looking to shed cap. It sucks Vancouver made Horvat their captain, he would be a pretty damn nice fit behind MacKinnon.

As much as I want Jones and Merzlikins, your assessment regarding the imperative of acquiring a 2C above all else is spot on.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Jones and Oleksiak will give the Avs a perfect mix of offense, shutdown ability and size on the blue line, and every pair will have a left and right handers.

Toews-Makar
Byram-Jones
Oleksiak-Timmins

Also incase of injuries a guy like Oleksiak can move up and play top 4 without being a liability

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

and the nhl replaces the salary cap with a wooden abacus

Nah, they'll take discounts to play on this powerhouse team that has really shown they can win.

 

[Avs_19]

Oleksiak can play the right side too, right? If so, you could put him next to Girard.

 

[Muffin]

Avs don’t touch Jones with a 10 foot pole with how much they value analytics. He had horrendous numbers.

 

[Murzu]

Giroux retained could be an interesting option.

 

[MarkT]

I think people are focusing in the wrong direction. The Avs need another quality 1B, 2A type center. Not more defenseman.

I'll admit the Jones connection to Sakic gives me a lot of pause, and I'd swap Girard for Jones easily because Jones is a damn beast of a defenseman and him in place of Girard rounds their defense out very nicely not only in size but in handedness and play style as well.

But if they're really looking to make this team better I think they're number one propriety is to go out and find MacKinnon some top six center support. Kadri's disappearance both on the ice and via suspension killed this team from the inside.

I'd probably be looking at maybe a Newhook package to a team looking to shed cap. It sucks Vancouver made Horvat their captain, he would be a pretty damn nice fit behind MacKinnon.

I still hold that there are two needs: a better center than Jost (and ideally better than Kadri) and a big RD to play behind Makar and kill penalties so Girard can play the left side and we don't need Nemeth.

Which one is the priority I think should depend on the players available and the cost to acquire them. If we can get Eichel or Danault, you make the center the priority, then go bargain hunting for that RD. If the options at C are slim, maybe you just pencil Newhook in there. Meanwhile if someone like Jones comes at the right price, you could make the RD the top priority.

Hopefully, given Sakic is still a very good, if not great GM, he can fill both spots. The issue is going to be the salary cap. For example, if we do get someone better than Kadri, can we really afford his cap hit at 3C? And if not, who is going to want Kadri after how last season ended? We'd be selling at an all-time low.

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

Giroux retained could be an interesting option.

Sure would but Flyers won’t trade their captain …right? ‍
How many second line centres of quality are actually available this summer ? He’s likely not available but man I would throw the kitchen sink for a shot at Barkov .

 

[RockLobster]

Sure would but Flyers won’t trade their captain …right? ‍
How many second line centres of quality are actually available this summer ? He’s likely not available but man I would throw the kitchen sink for a shot at Barkov .

I don't imagine you meant it this way, but Barkov isn't a 2C. And if you want Barkov, the conversation starts with MacKinnon imo.

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

I don't imagine you meant it this way, but Barkov isn't a 2C. And if you want Barkov, the conversation starts with MacKinnon imo.

Oh no barkov is obviously a number 1 Center . Was just thinking that maybe maybe because he has one year left on his contract that it could be a trade option. Very unlikely , doesn’t make sense for Florida , but if Avs are to overpay then at least make it worthwhile.

for this year only one that comes to mind is Reinhart in Buffalo? Maybe Hertl ? Long shots obviously .

 

[hockeyfish]

Giroux retained could be an interesting option.

If your going big game hunting from the Flyers, Couturier should be the target.

 

[flyfysher]

I still hold that there are two needs: a better center than Jost (and ideally better than Kadri) and a big RD to play behind Makar and kill penalties so Girard can play the left side and we don't need Nemeth.

Which one is the priority I think should depend on the players available and the cost to acquire them. If we can get Eichel or Danault, you make the center the priority, then go bargain hunting for that RD. If the options at C are slim, maybe you just pencil Newhook in there. Meanwhile if someone like Jones comes at the right price, you could make the RD the top priority.

Hopefully, given Sakic is still a very good, if not great GM, he can fill both spots. The issue is going to be the salary cap. For example, if we do get someone better than Kadri, can we really afford his cap hit at 3C? And if not, we is going to want Kadri after how last season ended? We'd be selling at an all-time low.

Yeah, I could see this being the route Sakic elects instead of the big play for Jones/Elvis. Avs cannot go into next POs with Kadri as the 2C.

 

[JH21]

I wonder if we would have advanced if we had Cole and Zadorov on D instead of Nemeth and Graves?

Sakic failed big time.