Rumor: 2020-21 Trade Rumours and FA Part VIII: Intra-Playoff Edition?

[dahrougem2]

Eichel and Columbus sounds like a bad fit.

I'd give him two years and he would want out.

Eichel doesn't seem like the type to care about the city he's living in, he just wants to have success.

If Columbus could build around Eichel/Jones/Werenski/Merzlikins and a supporting cast of Laine/Roslovic/Foudy/Texier/etc they could potentially get back to being a legit playoff threat again.

Then again, who knows if Seth Jones is long for that team (or Laine for that matter).

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Sadly for Columbus, nobody wants to stay there long-term. :/

Nearly impossible to build a team if you lose your top players all the time.

 

[Vaslof]

Eichel doesn't seem like the type to care about the city he's living in, he just wants to have success.

Is it just the city though? Thought Columbus had major locker room issues..

 

[Hasbro]

The number #5 and two picks after #20 in that not great a draft won't get Eichel.

 

[dahrougem2]

The number #5 and two picks after #20 in that not great a draft won't get Eichel.

Not alone, no but if there are prospects/roster player included, it may be enticing. Buffalo could use some of those 1sts to improve their team now.

 

[Hasbro]

Not alone, no but if there are prospects/roster player included, it may be enticing. Buffalo could use some of those 1sts to improve their team now.

T’were I Buffalo and and moving Eichel and Rhino, I’d target 1st rounders in ‘22 being a better draft. Especially trading with teams not in the playoffs like Columbus, LA and Vancouver on the chance it turns into a Duchene trade.

I’d also be after a more established prospect as the entree here instead of a high 1st this year. I place more value on Byfeild, Krebs, Turcotte...

 

[dahrougem2]

So let's say Vegas does in the summer acquire Jack Eichel and give a package that involves Tuch/Krebs/Glass.

Chandler Stephenson would naturally move to 3C, but his production would dwindle not playing with legit 1st liners anymore. Their bottom forwards consisting of Nosek, Carrier, Roy, Kolesar and Reaves combined for 24 goals in a combined 221 games.

Compare that to our bottom forwards Donskoi, Nichushkin, Compher, Jost, Bellemare and O'Connor scoring 56 goals in 283 games. The bottom forwards we've got score at a noticeably better rate still, and that rate is even higher if you remove Stephenson's 14 goals.

No doubt that 1C would help them out and be the game breaker they need if it's Eichel but hoooooooooboy, that bottom six would look like a disaster the likes we don't see anywhere other than Edmonton.

 

[Hasbro]

So let's say Vegas does in the summer acquire Jack Eichel and give a package that involves Tuch/Krebs/Glass.

Chandler Stephenson would naturally move to 3C, but his production would dwindle not playing with legit 1st liners anymore. Their bottom forwards consisting of Nosek, Carrier, Roy, Kolesar and Reaves combined for 24 goals in a combined 221 games.

Compare that to our bottom forwards Donskoi, Nichushkin, Compher, Jost, Bellemare and O'Connor scoring 56 goals in 283 games. The bottom forwards we've got score at a noticeably better rate still, and that rate is even higher if you remove Stephenson's 14 goals.

No doubt that 1C would help them out and be the game breaker they need if it's Eichel but hoooooooooboy, that bottom six would look like a disaster the likes we don't see anywhere other than Edmonton.

They’ve gone big each of the last two years and made a run at Erik Karlson before that.

 

[dahrougem2]

They’ve gone big each of the last two years and made a run at Erik Karlson before that.

I think no doubt they push for him. I question whether they actually get him and if they don't get him, then it's another season of Stephenson/Karlsson down the middle and that just isn't good enough to win.

 

[Avs_19]

I see Vegas making a push for Eichel but I don’t think they’d get him. They probably don’t even have to go that big though. Monahan isn’t an elite 1C and may be better suited as a 2C but I think even someone like him would help them quite a bit.

 

[RockLobster]

They’ve gone big each of the last two years and made a run at Erik Karlson before that.

I really wonder what their team would have looked like if they got EK65. I can't help but feel like they'd be less of a threat in the West. It's obvious that they wouldn't have room for all of MaxPac, Stone, and Pietrangelo if they had succeeded in getting EK

 

[Hasbro]

I think no doubt they push for him. I question whether they actually get him and if they don't get him, then it's another season of Stephenson/Karlsson down the middle and that just isn't good enough to win.

Kind of a variation on “the team that gets the best player wins the trade” in this situation, but in this situation I think who offers up the best single asset as the centerpiece of the package will be a front runner.

There’s also the possibility of offering Fleury plus to Toronto for Marner.

 

[dahrougem2]

Kind of a variation on “the team that gets the best player wins the trade” in this situation, but in this situation I think who offers up the best single asset as the centerpiece of the package will be a front runner.

There’s also the possibility of offering Fleury plus to Toronto for Marner.

I don't think Dubas is moving any of his big 4.

 

[Avs_19]

Kind of a variation on “the team that gets the best player wins the trade” in this situation, but in this situation I think who offers up the best single asset as the centerpiece of the package will be a front runner.

There’s also the possibility of offering Fleury plus to Toronto for Marner.

That better be one hell of a plus. Fleury might win the Vezina and I still don’t think they’re getting a good return. He might go from untradeable like he was last year to “we’ll take him if you’re giving him away.”

If Fleury gets traded then I could see a Pens reunion. It sounds like they plan on just keeping this going for one more season with Crosby, Malkin, and Letang so throw Fleury in the mix as well.

 

[Pokecheque]

Sadly for Columbus, nobody wants to stay there long-term. :/

Nearly impossible to build a team if you lose your top players all the time.

Rick Nash had no problems playing in Lumbus, he finally wanted out because management was insanely bad and they told him they were entering a rebuild...and then Howson changed it to "reshaping" after the trade, which reportedly pissed him off. Either way it failed miserably and Howson was fired.

Nick Foligno also loved playing there and it's possible he comes back after this season. It isn't impossible to build with players who actually want to be there, you just have to identify them and then hold onto them. Also helps if you do right by players, which brings us to our next point...

Is it just the city though? Thought Columbus had major locker room issues..

No there doesn't appear to be any locker room issues. I thought there might be issues with Tortorella but really, there's nothing there that's out of the ordinary--he outlasted his expiration date like a lot of coaches do, and he knew it, and that's why he left at season's end. He tried to quit a year early and Foligno convinced him to stay, which in hindsight was probably a mistake. Beyond that I don't think there's any sort of toxicity in the locker room.

There is an issue that does need to be addressed though. What has surfaced is that Jarmo might be coming in way too harsh in contract negotiations with RFAs, it's really alienating players, and maybe that's something that can be mitigated with Davidson back in the fold. Bottom line, they need to strike a better balance between cost certainty and doing right by players.

The city is not a wonderful destination, but if they can make it work in places like Edmonton, they can make it work in Columbus, Ohio. The market presents a challenge, so it's not an advantage like living in New York or Los Angeles would be an advantage, but it's not impossible.

 

[Gatorbait19]

If it keeps Jones than 100%.

Even with Jones getting traded for a haul I think it makes a lot of sense. They still have a 1D to build around in Werenski and then they get an elite 1C which is their biggest need. Add the haul they get back for Jones and that’s a really nice way to kickstart the franchise.

I think Jones is gone regardless, but I agree with you. With that, the best move would be to trade Jones for as best futures/high picks/prospects as possible, suck this next year and get another top 5 pick, and then you could have something.

The only concern to me from a CBJ perspective is eichel’s attitude/leadership, especially with Laine there who has his own issues in that department.

 

[Gatorbait19]

I wouldn't say I'm a Jackets fan... I'm a hockey fan and just love the sport. The only team I actively cheer for is the Avs.

I would absolutely trade all 3 for Eichel. He's a franchise changing talent for them. Even if it didn't keep Jones, it goes a long, long ways to keeping Werenski. Even when Columbus loses Jones, they still have a #1D and #1G... and with Eichel they'd have a #1C. If Roslovic ended up solidifying as a #2C... they have the toughest 4 positions on a roster to fill, filled. Defensive pool would be rather weak with 'sure thing' talent, but that is a solid base to build a playoff team from.

Not a jackets fan huh. You’re a jackets fan just as I’m a panthers fan. Just because the Avs are our real team doesn’t mean we can’t be fans of the other non-rival team.

I agree with everything you said though. If CBJ could pull that off they’ve got to do it. I think it really makes sense for both CBJ and BUF but I wouldn’t be surprised if someone else offers a similar but different package with a high end prospect that BUF prefers.

 

[dahrougem2]

Not a jackets fan huh. You’re a jackets fan just as I’m a panthers fan. Just because the Avs are our real team doesn’t mean we can’t be fans of the other non-rival team.

I agree with everything you said though. If CBJ could pull that off they’ve got to do it. I think it really makes sense for both CBJ and BUF but I wouldn’t be surprised if someone else offers a similar but different package with a high end prospect that BUF prefers.

He's not a Jackets fan, he's a Sabres fan. Father to Casey Mittelstadt. Owner of multiple Taco Bells. Champion of fat people everywhere.

 

[redacted]

Not a jackets fan huh. You’re a jackets fan just as I’m a panthers fan. Just because the Avs are our real team doesn’t mean we can’t be fans of the other non-rival team.

I agree with everything you said though. If CBJ could pull that off they’ve got to do it. I think it really makes sense for both CBJ and BUF but I wouldn’t be surprised if someone else offers a similar but different package with a high end prospect that BUF prefers.

He's not a Jackets fan, he's a Sabres fan. Father to Casey Mittelstadt. Owner of multiple Taco Bells. Champion of fat people everywhere.

^This.

I've been called a fan of many teams over the years. Just because I know about or chat about other teams doesn't mean I'm a fan. If the bar is this low though to be a fan, I guess I'm a Red Wings fan.

 

[dahrougem2]

^This.

I've been called a fan of many teams over the years. Just because I know about or chat about other teams doesn't mean I'm a fan. If the bar is this low though to be a fan, I guess I'm a Red Wings fan.

You can f**k right off with that Red Wings BS.

 

[redacted]

You can f**k right off with that Red Wings BS.

 

[Pokecheque]

Nope, I ain't doin' the Lecavalier trade for Eichel. Jarmo needs to quit short-circuiting his own rebuilding efforts. Enough is enough. Blow it up.

And I still think Eichel is not the franchise player everyone thinks he is. Talent-wise? Of course. But there's more to being the centerpiece of a franchise than that. And there's something there that just doesn't sit well with me. If he goes elsewhere and wins big, then I'm wrong. But there's something that is...for lack of a better term...Duchene-ish about him. And this guy here remains a Duchene fan, who BTW is a good player, but not the franchise cornerstone you'd expect a third overall pick to be.

 

[Hasbro]

That better be one hell of a plus. Fleury might win the Vezina and I still don’t think they’re getting a good return. He might go from untradeable like he was last year to “we’ll take him if you’re giving him away.”

If Fleury gets traded then I could see a Pens reunion. It sounds like they plan on just keeping this going for one more season with Crosby, Malkin, and Letang so throw Fleury in the mix as well.

Dubas needs to get out from under one of the big 4.

 

[dahrougem2]

Dubas needs to get out from under one of the big 4.

I don't disagree but Marc-Andre Fleury better be coming with Shea Theodore, not just a smaller plus.

For all his struggles in the playoffs, Mitch Marner is still a point-per-game two way winger. Those are incredibly rare.

 

[Pokecheque]

Dubas needs to get out from under one of the big 4.

There's no way he really can. He's likely got one, maybe two more shots at this thing before the Leafs possibly shake everything up from the top down and that likely begins with his dismissal. They made a committment to this core, they kinda just have to follow it through. A shame they took WAY too long to realize they didn't have a proper franchise goaltender (and in a lot of ways they still don't) and I've said for years that I don't think Morgan Rielly for all his talent is a legit franchise defenseman. There's no way to move on from the "Big Four" without making themselves demonstrably worse in the short term. And the only really moveable player among those guys is the one guy who did anything of note in that first round series.

Naw, this is just about the worst possible landscape to pull off some franchise-altering trade. Expansion draft is coming up, flat cap, and Marner's rep throughout the league has never been lower. Leafs would not be dealing from a position of strength.

I'll go on record as to say I think the hottest seat going into next season is most definitely Sheldon Keefe's. He better fix that power play or his goose is cooked.