Rumor: 2020-21 Trade Rumours and FA Part VIII: Intra-Playoff Edition?

[The Abusement Park]

Landy: $8milx7
Makar: $8milx8
Saad:$4milx4
Grub: $6milx6
Jost: $2.5x2
Timmins:$950k x2
Dong to Seattle

That leaves us with ~1mil left over and a 4th line of Ranta, Newhook, LOC. But Saad and Makar's contracts are very team friendly and that's if EJ is LTIR'd. I would love to find a way to keep everyone but some sacrifices will have to be made and chances are Saad will be the first one to go which sucks.

@Gatorbait19

 

[Gatorbait19]

Lol at them saying they need “draft lottery luck.” The highest pick they’ve had since drafting Dubois at 3oa in 2016, is 18oa. They have repeatedly put themselves in a position where they have no chance at being a real or consistent contender. They’ve mortgaged whatever future they had for the instant gratification of being the bubble team they were.

 

[Iceberg]

Blake all but said in his exit interview that he’s looking to make a big swing to jumpstart the rebuild. I’m not saying getting Jones is the right move but they’re likely looking to augment the roster a little more aggressively this season. I think the Hawks are in a similar spot. Both teams have vets who don’t have much time left. A few of those vets are likely pushing the front office to either make a move or blow it up even further. In fact I know Doughty said on his way out the door that another quiet offseason would not be acceptable.

It's funny, because when he goes for max dollars he pretty much makes it difficult for any GM to surround him with good depth players. His sallary is a big part of the problem.

 

[Pokecheque]

It's funny, because when he goes for max dollars he pretty much makes it difficult for any GM to surround him with good depth players. His sallary is a big part of the problem.

Yeah, I think both Chicago and Los Angeles are in similar ruts, aging vets with big salaries who are on the decline are kinda difficult to build around.

 

[Pokecheque]

Lol at them saying they need “draft lottery luck.” The highest pick they’ve had since drafting Dubois at 3oa in 2016, is 18oa. They have repeatedly put themselves in a position where they have no chance at being a real or consistent contender. They’ve mortgaged whatever future they had for the instant gratification of being the bubble team they were.

Did they really though? The only time they actually “mortgaged the future” was when they decided to go for broke a couple years ago and basically torpedoed one draft. What have they really done since then? I don’t think they’ve done much before either—they were continually one of the youngest teams in the league.

 

[Chiarelli]

Toronto should go all in for Seth Jones

 

[redacted]

Toronto should go all in for Seth Jones

It is basically the trade that makes the single most sense of the offseason. Toronto needs the top tier defensemen... Columbus needs a young scoring forward to jumpstart the new system.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Yeah, I think both Chicago and Los Angeles are in similar ruts, aging vets with big salaries who are on the decline are kinda difficult to build around.

The King's should have more cap flexibility and trade pieces though to actually make a splash than the Blackhawks.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

It is basically the trade that makes the single most sense of the offseason. Toronto needs the top tier defensemen... Columbus needs a young scoring forward to jumpstart the new system.

Yup. And I’d bet Korpisalo goes to Toronto too even though Elvis is 3 times better.

 

[Iceberg]

Yeah, I think both Chicago and Los Angeles are in similar ruts, aging vets with big salaries who are on the decline are kinda difficult to build around.

San Jose with Couture, Karlsson, Vlasic and Burns... those are cautionary tales for Sakic.

 

[dahrougem2]

It is basically the trade that makes the single most sense of the offseason. Toronto needs the top tier defensemen... Columbus needs a young scoring forward to jumpstart the new system.

Is it really, though? The Leafs can't seem to score when it matters. I don't know how Jones helps with that at all.

 

[redacted]

Yeah, I think both Chicago and Los Angeles are in similar ruts, aging vets with big salaries who are on the decline are kinda difficult to build around.

I don't see it this way going forward. The last couple seasons were rough as they had to shed the excess from the runs and just let the course run.

Chicago will have 10m in LTIR space next year (leaving ~14.5m currently open)... then lose another 8.3 in Murphy and CDH coming off the books after next season. They have a lot more flexibility than people think coming up. Still another year of patience before they get going.

Now LA has a ton of flexibility now. This year they cleared off enough fat to make a large impact going forward. Over 20m in cap room now with nobody major to take up that whole room. Over 9m will come off next summer when Maatta and Brown drop off (though Brown probably re-signs for ~3m). Quick gets his sunset in 2023 if he doesn't LTIR next summer. They should start improving rapidly this next season.

 

[Alex Jones]

Kings going to be very good very soon. Hawks... I still think they have some significant holes to fill.

 

[redacted]

Is it really, though? The Leafs can't seem to score when it matters. I don't know how Jones helps with that at all.

Jones would improve their offense from the backend... and I think he'd take PP1 time away from Reilly. His offense and transition would be hugely impactful. More than that though, missing Tavares this series was more of their scoring woes this playoffs. Having him back more than takes up the drop off from Marner to Robertson.

 

[dahrougem2]

Jones would improve their offense from the backend... and I think he'd take PP1 time away from Reilly. His offense and transition would be hugely impactful. More than that though, missing Tavares this series was more of their scoring woes this playoffs. Having him back more than takes up the drop off from Marner to Robertson.

Perhaps, but:

2021 they scored 2.57 goals per game
2020 they scored 2.00
2019 they scored 2.42
2018 they scored 2.85

Compare that to the regular season where:

2021 they scored 3.33
2020 they scored 3.40
2019 they scored 3.48
2018 they scored 3.37

Now I'm not expecting playoff scoring to be the exact same as regular season scoring but it's crystal clear to me these guys straight up do not score enough in the playoffs, and I don't think Seth Jones is going to help that.

Now, Jack Eichel...

 

[Iceberg]

Yup. And I’d bet Korpisalo goes to Toronto too even though Elvis is 3 times better.

And where will Elvis end up? I'd be very surprised with he signs an extension with CBJ.

 

[The Abusement Park]

And where will Elvis end up? I'd be very surprised with he signs an extension with CBJ.

I’d like to see him here of Grub doesn’t come back.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Honestly I think the Leafs need to move on from Rielly as well. He is really quite terrible defensively and just doesn't provide a lot outside of the PP.


A guy like Jones would come in an effectively replace Rielly completely and be better than him at just about everything.


If I'm the Leafs, trade Marner to CBJ for Jones(Extended) + Merzlikins, then trade Rielly to a team in need of Defense and get a 2nd line forward back.

Let Thornton, and Simmonds walk. They were useless and a terrible experiment from Dubas.


They also should have a little bit of cap space this summer as well. Especially if they do move Marner and Rielly. They're probably going to lose Dermott in the ED if I had to guess.

 

[Pokecheque]

And where will Elvis end up? I'd be very surprised with he signs an extension with CBJ.

Hope he stays in Lumbus or stays out East. If he ends up in Edmonton...

 

[Avs_19]

Maybe a Jones/Nylander deal could work but Marner seems a lot more difficult. What team is going to pay the $31M in bonuses owed to him? Even if the Leafs cover the first year, that still leaves around $22M for the team that acquires him. I have my doubts about CBJ being the team that's willing to do that.

 

[Hasbro]

Maybe a Jones/Nylander deal could work but Marner seems a lot more difficult. What team is going to pay the $31M in bonuses owed to him? Even if the Leafs cover the first year, that still leaves around $22M for the team that acquires him. I have my doubts about CBJ being the team that's willing to do that.

Bozak + 2nd

 

[Richard88]

@Richard88 if EJ gets LTIR’d after the year, what’s out cap situation look like and would that basically solve most/all our potential cap problems for the next 1-3 years?

Our cap situation would look great with another $6m, and yes that would solve pretty much everything and may even allow Sakic to resign Saad (along with Makar, Landeskog, Grubuaer, Timmins).

 

[dahrougem2]

They're probably going to lose Dermott in the ED if I had to guess.

Based on how he played this post-season, I don't know if the Leafs are going to mind.

Boy oh boy those young defensemen the Leafs media machine hyped up like Dermott/Sandin/Liljigren haven't panned out the way they thought.

 

[Hasbro]

Based on how he played this post-season, I don't know if the Leafs are going to mind.

Boy oh boy those young defensemen the Leafs media machine hyped up like Dermott/Sandin/Liljigren haven't panned out the way they thought.

But Dubas knows things about player no other GM knows.

Reminds me of the king of overhyped prospects: Justin Pogge.

 

[dwkdnvr]

Maybe a Jones/Nylander deal could work but Marner seems a lot more difficult. What team is going to pay the $31M in bonuses owed to him? Even if the Leafs cover the first year, that still leaves around $22M for the team that acquires him. I have my doubts about CBJ being the team that's willing to do that.

Yeah, Leafs are not in a great situation. Marner is the guy they should move, but most teams realize that a soft scoring winger isn't where you really want to sink $11M in a flat-cap world. If they have to retain significant salary on Marner it kills a lot of the benefit they're trying to achieve - I mean they'd trade Marner for Jones they might end up actually taking on salary in that scenario after re-signing Jones. Trading Nylander would be easier, but given that he looked like the more valuable player it's not ideal - although after reasonable retention on Marner you'd probably be pretty close in terms of actual amount of salary you're moving.
And I agree that CBJ probably isn't the ideal destination - I'd expect they'd want to look at help at C rather than another winger. I don't know who else would have particular interest, though.