2020/21 Roster Thread IV: A New Hope

[Appleyard]

In career so far:

Friedman with Hagg: 36.9% Corsi, 40.3% ExGF
Friedman without Hagg: 59.6% Corsi, 51.6% ExGF

Small samples. But that is a precipitous difference even so. But not an unheard of difference really... everyone loses like ~5% Corsi or ExGF minimum playing with Hagg over a decent strecth.

 

[Striiker]

Oh, Captain! My, Captain!

Notice how Giroux is also on the unlucky list in the tweet above too.

He's playing amazing, but his points don't properly reflect that. Partially because of bad luck, partially because of bad coaching.

 

[Striiker]

Right? I will never for the life of me understand why the same logic isn't applied to Hagg as it is to others. Hagg's literally the worst regular defenseman in the NHL. He's simply not nor has ever been a serviceable NHL player. Friedman's a much better player. Anything more than a 6/7 at the NHL level? No idea. But a much better player than Hagg? Absolutely.

It's simple.

The fans want Friedman to play and the coaches resist.
The coaches want Hagg to play and fan hate it.

If you're someone who is incapable of disagreeing with the staff and defend literally everything you do, you'll defend Hagg and bash Friedman.

That's all this is. Same as always. Defending Hagg defends the staff and bashing Friedman defends the staff.

 

[BritainStix]

In career so far:

Friedman with Hagg: 36.9% Corsi, 40.3% ExGF
Friedman without Hagg: 59.6% Corsi, 51.6% ExGF

Small samples. But that is a precipitous difference even so. But not an unheard of difference really... everyone loses like ~5% Corsi or ExGF minimum playing with Hagg over a decent strecth.

So what you are saying is that Robert Hagg is the premier defenseman in the league for aiding the development of young defenseman?

He's such an underrated force

 

[DancingPanther]

In career so far:

Friedman with Hagg: 36.9% Corsi, 40.3% ExGF
Friedman without Hagg: 59.6% Corsi, 51.6% ExGF

Small samples. But that is a precipitous difference even so. But not an unheard of difference really... everyone loses like ~5% Corsi or ExGF minimum playing with Hagg over a decent strecth.

Stop obsessing over Hagg, alex

 

[Starat327]

In career so far:

Friedman with Hagg: 36.9% Corsi, 40.3% ExGF
Friedman without Hagg: 59.6% Corsi, 51.6% ExGF

Small samples. But that is a precipitous difference even so. But not an unheard of difference really... everyone loses like ~5% Corsi or ExGF minimum playing with Hagg over a decent strecth.

We call this the AMac effect.

 

[Tripod]

It's simple.

The fans want Friedman to play and the coaches resist.
The coaches want Hagg to play and fan hate it.

If you're someone who is incapable of disagreeing with the staff and defend literally everything you do, you'll defend Hagg and bash Friedman.

That's all this is. Same as always. Defending Hagg defends the staff and bashing Friedman defends the staff.

Just like Farabee not being ready last year....until those all important 5 AHL games that made him NHL ready.

 

[Striiker]

Well this looks promising

 

[BritainStix]

We call this the AMac effect.

Woah now! Amac could skate at least.....

Generally in the wrong direction at the wrong times.....actually yeah you're right.

 

[Striiker]

Just like Farabee not being ready last year....until those all important 5 AHL games that made him NHL ready.

We've seen this exact thing with Friedman, Frost, Farabee, NAK, Myers, TK, and a few others over the past few years. Anyone who wasn't brought up when they should've been.

"tHeYrE nOt ReAdY!!!!!!" and a few days later they've proven they were ready, as we expected.

 

[Starat327]

Woah now! Amac could skate at least.....

He could starfish, theres a difference.

 

[Striiker]

He could starfish, theres a difference.

A visual representation of AMACs defensive play

 

[DancingPanther]

 

[Striiker]

 

[DancingPanther]

 

[Striiker]

Damn, look at our non-NHL-ready guys, weak little Frost and Friedman, being at the top of the list and a few of only four Flyers with a CF% over 50% and five with over 50% xGF%

For guys who haven't shown enough, they sure are showing a lot.

Meanwhile Hagg is rocking 44.05 CF% and 37.99 xGF%:

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The reason people focus on Hagg is because he's an easy change. He doesn't make much money, he's clearly not good enough, and he doesn't have significant term.

I would even argue that he's made some defensive progress under Vigneault as compared to 2018-19. The problem is that he's done it by cratering his offense. 2018-19 Hagg is one of the single worst defensive seasons I can remember league-wide. He hasn't been that.

 

[Striiker]

AV is trash

 

[freakydallas13]

I think I would rather have the twilight days of Amac as the 6/7th dman than Haag currently. Haag is that bad.

Don't @ me.

 

[orangey]

Provorov-Ghost
Sanheim-Myers
Zamula-Friedman

Maybe next season with York waiting in the wings.

 

[Audible Velvet]

I'd legit like to see Morin get a few games in at LD on the 3rd pair to see if he can hang. I don't have much hope but it can't be any worse than Hagg & Gus.

Provorov Ghost - I've only been begging for this pair to get reunited for literal YEARS.
Sanheim Braun
Morin Friedman - by the way, Friedman is the 5th best defenseman on the roster and should be ahead of Hagg, Gus, & Braun on the depth chart but won't be because he's not veterany enough.

When Myers comes back, Braun can become the 7. Fire Hagg and Gus off into outer space for all I care.

If we can acquire a guy to step into that bottom LD role and jettison off Hagg or Gus in exchange, I'd be more than happy to throw in an early-mid round pick to make that happen. It'd be worth it just to get them off the f***ing roster.

This is basically how I feel

 

[Hurricane28]

Well this looks promising

My guess is we get Myers back this weekend, and Coots back after the Isles series.

 

[Audible Velvet]

I remember immediately after that play thinking, stereotypes need to go.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

AV is trash

lol, there it is..

Hogg for C.

sigh...

 

[Rebels57]

My guess is we get Myers back this weekend, and Coots back after the Isles series.

I think that's overly optimistic for Myers.