2020/21 Roster Thread IV: A New Hope

[Appleyard]

Except Ghost, who was better with Hagg the last two years than away from Hagg.
Go figure.

He wasn't last year...

2019-20:

With Hagg: 50.53% CF, 44.8% ExGF
Without Hagg: 52.44% CF, 45.6% ExGF


But yeh, his 166 minutes with Hagg in 2018-19 were good. Like the only person ever to get Hagg over 50% ExGF... (Hagg was worse away from Ghost than Ghost was away from Hagg)

2018-19:

With Hagg: 49.44% CF, 56.65% ExGF
Without Hagg: 51.11% CF, 48.4% ExGF

 

[deadhead]

If I'm reading it correctly, I think a more accurate way to phrase that would be that his strengths come into play most often when there is sustained DZone time. That's not quite the same thing as him being at his best.

While size isn't the be all and end all, the Flyers lack size on defense, and Friedman disappointed me in that he's not as strong as I'd hoped (when Marchand can flip you, well . . .), Ghost is obvious, Sanheim plays smaller than his size in the D-zone, Gus is still trying to master defense 101. Basically right now it's Provorov, Braun and Hagg until Myers comes back.

If you move out Braun and Hagg you easily have the smallest defense in the NHL.
Does that matter? I've been told Cooper is a genius, and TB has the largest defense in the NHL, an accident?

So as a HC it's a bit of a dilemma, I can play the more skilled defensemen and know that teams are going to emphasize a physical forecheck and try to wear them down and send players to the net with impunity. Or I can play the slugs and know I'm lowering my skill level.

It's going to be worse with Zamula, though maybe York is the mighty mite I was hoping Friedman would be (shorter player with strength who knows how to use leverage to compensate for lack of size). Millman, Andrae, only Attard and St Ivany (and Ginning if he ever learns how to play hockey) have size, but both are probably 3rd pair at best.

 

[Striiker]

He wasn't last year...

2019-20:

With Hagg: 50.53% CF, 44.8% ExGF
Without Hagg: 52.44% CF, 45.6% ExGF

And these numbers are dragged down by his time with Braun too. (We've already discussed our differing opinions on him, so we'll just skip that )

Ghost and Myers put up great numbers together. Not a huge sample, but it was a solid chunk of his time away from Hagg (3rd highest behind Hagg and Braun).
57.89 CF%
58.74 xGF%

If Ghost wasn't stuck on the 3rd pair all of last season his numbers would've been drastically different.

But yeah, those 166 min where he carried Hagg are proof Hagg doesn't suck lol

 

[BringBackHakstol]

If Friedman goes out for hagg after what we've seen so far, all hope for this staff should officially be lost

 

[deadhead]

Ghost and Myers put up bad numbers the year before, beware of SSS and numbers used out of context.

Though I'm amused of the great effort used to show that a #6/#7 defensemen is, well, a marginal NHL player.

 

[Appleyard]

Thought this was both interesting but kind of depressing aha.

 

[Appleyard]

 

[Starat327]

Ghost and Myers put up bad numbers the year before, beware of SSS and numbers used out of context.

Though I'm amused of the great effort used to show that a #6/#7 defensemen is, well, a marginal NHL player.

Even more amusing is the great effort you put in to defending his position instead of just admitting he is garbage.

 

[VladDrag]

AV is trash

I have a problem with the content of this comment for many of the reasons that were stated yesterday; however, this statement made by AV is obviously intended for Friedman's ears,. I don't have an inherent problem with that methodology for motivation. Some people respond to this type of motivational tactic, some don't. I hope AV has read the situation well enough, and understands that. My fear, which comes solely from stereotypes of 'hockey guy' culture, is that he's old school and won't be able to determine which motivational tactic works for which person.

 

[Striiker]

I have a problem with the content of this comment for many of the reasons that were stated yesterday; however, this statement made by AV is obviously intended for Friedman's ears,. I don't have an inherent problem with that methodology for motivation. Some people respond to this type of motivational tactic, some don't. I hope AV has read the situation well enough, and understands that. My fear, which comes solely from stereotypes of 'hockey guy' culture, is that he's old school and won't be able to determine which motivational tactic works for which person.

My issue was mostly with the last part of the tweet, not the pointless [inaccurate] critiques as a motivation tactic.

If he's taking Friedman out when Myers comes back then that's just indefensible. There's no debate that Hagg is the worst D in the lineup, so the fact that he's completely immune to accountability for his play is just disgusting. Especially when this coward is so eager to criticize others, like Friedman, Ghost, Voracek, JVR, Frost, and so on.

 

[flyersnorth]

I have a problem with the content of this comment for many of the reasons that were stated yesterday; however, this statement made by AV is obviously intended for Friedman's ears,. I don't have an inherent problem with that methodology for motivation. Some people respond to this type of motivational tactic, some don't. I hope AV has read the situation well enough, and understands that. My fear, which comes solely from stereotypes of 'hockey guy' culture, is that he's old school and won't be able to determine which motivational tactic works for which person.

In the realm of coaches "calling out" players publicly, AV's comments on Friedman are as benign as it gets.

"Expecting more urgency" is a comment that could apply to most players in the NHL some of the time, and some of the players most of the time.

 

[orangey]

Friedman biggest issue when everyone is healthy is that he doesn’t play LD or play special teams overly well.

Their has to be a expiring overpaid LD out there that teams are trying to dump. Like a Coburn

Right now maybe but they have a couple LD coming in Z and York, who project to top 5, so Friedman could end up a cheap complimentary right side guy down the road.

Also Friedman has experience playing the left side, if they really wanted to keep Braun in and spell Hagg (fat chance).

Not saying he is a high end prospect or anything but he could very well develop into a reliable 3rd pair guy, so it's well worth letting him play while Myers is out and hopefully later while they figure out the 3rd pair.

 

[Audible Velvet]

I thought small, but fearless and scrappy were part of the in crowd.
At very least, Friedman is a competent skater. I know that much.

 

[orangey]

I thought small, but fearless and scrappy were part of the in crowd.
At very least, Friedman is a competent skater. I know that much.

Right? That's a large part of the gig with D and then just don't get noticed too much in a bad way (cough, Gus). Friedman is a perfectly serviceable NHL player IMO and cheap. Much better than a lot of the other stiffs we have seen over the years.

 

[Audible Velvet]

Right? That's a large part of the gig with D and then just don't get noticed too much in a bad way (cough, Gus). Friedman is a perfectly serviceable NHL player IMO and cheap. Much better than a lot of the other stiffs we have seen over the years.

I think definitely give him some time and a real chance. He's earned it, and deserves it over the obvious current rostered slugs.

 

[deadhead]

Friedman will have his chance, Myers won't be back for another week or two, it's up to him to seize the opportunity.
If they love veterans so much, how come 19 year old Farabee played over Andreoff last season?

Given how undersized this defense is, Friedman has to be more than "meh", he has to show his skills are more than enough to compensate for making a small defense even smaller.

 

[briererocks]

How about nak for dunn? I think kase can fill in for nak and hopefully dunn will mean hagg leaves the lineout but you can never underestimate dumb.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Friedman will have his chance, Myers won't be back for another week or two, it's up to him to seize the opportunity.
If they love veterans so much, how come 19 year old Farabee played over Andreoff last season?

Given how undersized this defense is, Friedman has to be more than "meh", he has to show his skills are more than enough to compensate for making a small defense even smaller.

Myers will likely be back for the games against the Isles...

 

[Tripod]

Friedman will have his chance, Myers won't be back for another week or two, it's up to him to seize the opportunity.
If they love veterans so much, how come 19 year old Farabee played over Andreoff last season?

Given how undersized this defense is, Friedman has to be more than "meh", he has to show his skills are more than enough to compensate for making a small defense even smaller.

Or will he?

Or will Nate P get his chance instead.

Your obsession with size is alarming. Over compensating? How about just be a BETTER Dman regardless of size. If you get the job done, that's what matters.

I am going for a nap.

 

[Rebels57]

Or will he?

Or will Nate P get his chance instead.

Your obsession with size is alarming. Over compensating? How about just be a BETTER Dman regardless of size. If you get the job done, that's what matters.

I am going for a nap.

Wait what is this talk of Nate Prosser?

That dude f***ing stinks.

 

[ajgoal]

Wait what is this talk of Nate Prosser?

That dude f***ing stinks.

You missed that did you? In tonight. Assumption is that Friedman sits.

 

[Rebels57]

You missed that did you? In tonight. Assumption is that Friedman sits.

Someone needs to smash AV over the head with a f***ing martini glass.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You missed that did you? In tonight. Assumption is that Friedman sits.

I picked the right day to not quit drinking.

 

[lancer247]

Sandy Mccaarthy got Norris votes. Who woulda thunk it.

 

[lancer247]

What are Nate Prosser stats with Hagg?
I would rather see Morin in there then Nate the great.