Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread

[LAKings88]

OEL and Doughty would be great but we're not in the position to overpay for overrated OEL at this point. I'd rather target Hjalmarsson frankly.





So this is really based on you thinking Drysdale is a guaranteed Makar and that Turcotte isn't much of an impact guy. That's fine and so it makes sense that you'd make that trade, but then it will also have to make sense to you that others don't feel the same way because they either feel differently about each players value OR because they're not comfortable trading unknown for unknown.

Fair enough.

 

[LAKings88]

The Kings should trade the #2 overall pick this year for a first rounder next year because there’s a better crop of defensemen available in 2021. Or just take Drysdale at #2 if he’s that good.

Don’t be daft, lame strawman Ziggy, expect better from you.

 

[LAKings88]

Yep, the Kings offense has ALWAYS been a problem, save for a few seasons. It's why Lombardi traded for impact forwards at the deadline. Even last season, the Kings defense was not the problem. It was the offense, again. The numbers don't lie. So let's trade away one of our highest regarded forward prospects for the chance to draft a puck moving defenseman (and again, it ain't gonna happen - wouldn't it be funny if Sanderson is Yannetti's choice?) because we don't have anyone like him the pipeline?

Drew Doughty has struggled with motivation and maturity that last two seasons, but he's not dead yet. If he doesn't bounce back next season with a decent partner, I'll eat my words. Hopefully this time off and seeing his name lower on the defensemen rankings than he would like will kick him in the butt to return to form. I'd take a young Drew Doughty play-a-like over an Erik Karlsson one every time.

Now everyone needs a Makar or Hughes who are the EK profile? Makar who averaged 6 seconds of PK time a game. Hughes who averaged 2 seconds. Yes, they're rookies, but Doughty averaged 2:58 PK TOI as a 19 year old! I'll take a Heiskanen instead. Someone who actually plays both ways. Maybe not as dynamic game to game as the other 2, but someone who isn't on the bench when trying to kill the clock. If we need a defenseman in the pipeline who plays like a forward, I'd rather just have a dynamic forward.

Like Turcotte, known for being well rounded and not a pure sniper, is the only offensive guy in the pipe.

#2, Vilardi, Madden, Kupari, Thomas, Kaliyev, Fagemo.

I swear, don’t say anything bad about Turcotte on here.

Someone asked and I answered.

lol at the degrading of HUghes and Makar tho.

Yes Heiskanen is a stud.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Not on the Kings it ain’t.

We turn undrafted or 5-7th round defensemen Into NHL players, and darn good ones ...

... yet we can’t get more than 3 forwards to break 20 goals in a season. And half of them are in their mid-late thirties.

Why in the world would we trade a prospect that’s is ready to put in NHL minutes this upcoming season for a prospect that weighs 150# wet and in gear and has a 3-5 year projection before he is NHL ready?7

Add to that next years draft that is D heavy, our chances of being a lottery team very high, and 7 years of Doughty remaining ...

I sense a bit of myopia in your insistence on Drysdale being some wizard wunder-D. He is not. He just the best guy in the draft class super-thin in D.

With your ability (LAKs that is) to mold D into excellent Q NHL defenders, how would Sean Monahan(C), Noah Hanifin (LD) and Prospect RW/C "big body" Adam Ruzicka plus Calgary #19 pick OA this year, sound for your #2 OA pick plus JA-D (C), Austin Strand (Rd) prospects and Adrian Kempe(Lw/C) and your 3rd rd 2021.
With #19 pick, you could try for D Brady Schneider, the most NHL ready Dman in this draft, a sure bet decent NHL'er with size, physicality and smarts for making reads in his own end. The "next Adam Foote-like" player projection, IMO.
In Sean Monahan you get a 1C for your 2C spot, with only 3 years left on his 6.375 mil$ per year contract.
He could be more than a "stop-gap", improving your team offense this season starting, while future star Centers get acquainted with the bigs, and gain experience adjusting to the daily grind and improvement in competition. And Monahan could be valued at a resign in 3years ending if he is still producing and a fit here.
In Noah Hanifin you get a young still, experienced top-4 Dman with a very cap friendly, salary controlled contract for 5 years. Prospect A Ruzicka is a big body kid, matured nicely in his 1st AHL season. He has some upside skills, a good skater and plays the body to finish plays while attempting turnovers and go on the offensive attack.
Calgary needs a youth skilled regeneration and any R.H.S. warm bodied Dman. JA-D and A Strand are Calgary natives. Also like Kempe's potential top-6 fit with LW on a Sweet-Swede line with M Backlund at C , and E Lindholm on RW.
The offer plays out as: SMon. + prospect Ruzicka+ D- Noah Hanifin, for #2 OA and prospects JA-D &Austin Strand ( RFA prospect who was undrafted,young FA pick up
), then #19 OA pick for Adrian Kempe.
LAK gets proven, ready-now viable, in their prime or hitting soon, to help and improve now for more potential future possibilities. This could be a start for Calgary's needed future and shake up now.

 

[cyclones22]

Like Turcotte, known for being well rounded and not a pure sniper, is the only offensive guy in the pipe.

#2, Vilardi, Madden, Kupari, Thomas, Kaliyev, Fagemo.

I swear, don’t say anything bad about Turcotte on here.

Someone asked and I answered.

lol at the degrading of HUghes and Makar tho.

Yes Heiskanen is a stud.

To date, how many of those forwards have panned out? We have no idea. We need as many bullets in the chamber as possible for the 30th ranked offense the last 2 seasons.

So, stating facts about Hughes and Makar and comparing them to a probable HOF defenseman is now degrading them? C'mon, I would think you're smarter than that.

 

[LAKings88]

To date, how many of those forwards have panned out? We have no idea. We need as many bullets in the chamber as possible for the 30th ranked offense the last 2 seasons.

So, stating facts about Hughes and Makar and comparing them to a probable HOF defenseman is now degrading them? C'mon, I would think you're smarter that.

What knocking them for lack of pk. Ignores all that they bring and have done. Nit picky at best.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Don’t be daft, lame strawman Ziggy, expect better from you.

How am I being daft when I'm making suggestions that align with your vision? You're trading for another unknown when you don't know what you have now. That's exactly what they'd be doing if they dealt the #2 pick for a first next year, or just using it to select a position of need.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Like Turcotte, known for being well rounded and not a pure sniper, is the only offensive guy in the pipe.

#2, Vilardi, Madden, Kupari, Thomas, Kaliyev, Fagemo.

I swear, don’t say anything bad about Turcotte on here.

Someone asked and I answered.

lol at the degrading of HUghes and Makar tho.

Yes Heiskanen is a stud.

people say plenty of bad things about Turcotte on here, though. He may be the most underrated prospect on HFBoards at this point.

It makes sense if you want to trade him because you think he's a lost cause and going to be a continually depreciating asset but again you can't assume everyone is going to feel that way about him.

I also don't think Drysdale compares to Makar or Hughes as much as you do either, for what it's worth.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

How am I being daft when I'm making suggestions that align with your vision? You're trading for another unknown when you don't know what you have now. That's exactly what they'd be doing if they dealt the #2 pick for a first next year, or just using it to select a position of need.

 

[LAKings88]

How am I being daft when I'm making suggestions that align with your vision? You're trading for another unknown when you don't know what you have now. That's exactly what they'd be doing if they dealt the #2 pick for a first next year, or just using it to select a position of need.

We know what the number two pick is. You don’t even know if LA is in the lottery next year.

Im pretty sure LA has a grasp on what Turcotte is.

I’ll even bet money they wanted Dach and Byram over him.

The kid has the tools to be a solid player. I don’t think LA will trade him for Drysdale.

The amount of hand wringing over this hypothetical is strange.

Makes me wonder if there is a potential bust fear involved with Turcotte. Or at least a need to defend him after sub par performances this year (which I think he will overcome) coupled with what Zegras accomplished in the WJC.

I think we are all hoping he turns out to be some kind of Mike Richards player. Hopefully he will.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

We know what the number two pick is. You don’t even know if LA is in the lottery next year.

Im pretty sure LA has a grasp on what Turcotte is.

I’ll even bet money they wanted Dach and Byram over him.

The kid has the tools to be a solid player. I don’t think LA will trade him for Drysdale.

The amount of hand wringing over this hypothetical is strange.

Makes me wonder if there is a potential bust fear involved with Turcotte. Or at least a need to defend him after sub par performances this year (which I think he will overcome) coupled with what Zegras accomplished in the WJC.

I think we are all hoping he turns out to be some kind of Mike Richards player. Hopefully he will.

Discussion disagreeing with you =/= hand wringing.

Don't ask the question if you can't handle the answer.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The kid is one year removed from being drafted and we're already going to start labeling him a bust? Who's the one doing the fear mongering?

I guess the Avs should've gotten rid of Nathan MacKinnon when he had a couple of down seasons, after all, he wasn't looking like a #1 overall pick when he was still a young player getting his feet wet.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Like Turcotte, known for being well rounded and not a pure sniper, is the only offensive guy in the pipe.

#2, Vilardi, Madden, Kupari, Thomas, Kaliyev, Fagemo.

I swear, don’t say anything bad about Turcotte on here.

Someone asked and I answered.

lol at the degrading of HUghes and Makar tho.

Yes Heiskanen is a stud.

Okay, nothing bad to say about Turcotte.
How about "useless potential, ankle bender "Rasmus Kupari" for guaranteed stud RW prospect Eetu Tuulola and LD Oliver Kylington from Calgary. Both NHL ready, especially Kylington, top skater, smooth with some matured physicality added to his slow-roasting development to NHL level.
And Tuulola can crash and bang with the best of 'em Has a decent shot, big body for the 4th or 3rd line?
How 'bout it? No dissing Turcotte in this one at all. Lols. And you get to keep him!

 

[GumbyCan2]

The kid is one year removed from being drafted and we're already going to start labeling him a bust? Who's the one doing the fear mongering?

I guess the Avs should've gotten rid of Nathan MacKinnon when he had a couple of down seasons, after all, he wasn't looking like a #1 overall pick when he was still a young player getting his feet wet.

Or Scheifele in Winnipeg. Took 3 tears to develop to regular C in NHL. Then only 1 to become #1 C, now the "franchise player"! U never know, until you u c the show, later, at some point.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Or Scheifele in Winnipeg. Took 3 tears to develop to regular C in NHL. Then only 1 to become #1 C, now the "franchise player"! U never know, until you u c the show, later, at some point.

Some people have zero patience and expect teenagers to set the world on fire from the get go. It's really unreasonable and irrational logic. How can anyone with a sound mind think a kid who just turned 19 earlier this year is already going to be a bust, especially when he produced 26 points in 29 games in a season where he missed games due to injuries and ailments?

Turcotte's freshman numbers over an 82-game schedule would translate to 73.5 points. Better get rid of him for a shiny new toy.

 

[Peter James Bond III]

It's too early to tell how all of these prospects will turn out and thus too early to trade any of them. Hell, even Clague may surprise and be better than anyone has expected,
the past year or so. Yes, he needs work in his zone and hopefully makes big strides there. Just a bit worried about his instincts in the D zone...but man, he can skate.
A few of the times he entered the O zone and cut through it, was impressive. I'd put Bjornfot and Anderson ahead of him, based on a few things and one of those
is they seem to have better instincts. But, you cannot count out Clague yet. Look at Walker and Roy. They certainly elevated their games.

All of: Byfield, Vilardi, Turcotte, Fagemo, Thomas, Kupari, Kaliyev, Anderson-Dolan, Dudas cannot have spots on the team. But they are all assets and
a few of them will probably be used in package deals....so be it, this is a good problem. Oh, don't give up on Grundstrom yet, for that matter. He can play. We have had to have patience for years now....let's have patience for another year, please. We're so close to having something special.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Some people have zero patience and expect teenagers to set the world on fire from the get go. It's really unreasonable and irrational logic. How can anyone with a sound mind think a kid who just turned 19 earlier this year is already going to be a bust, especially when he produced 26 points in 29 games in a season where he missed games due to injuries and ailments?

Turcotte's freshman numbers over an 82-game schedule would translate to 73.5 points. Better get rid of him for a shiny new toy.

VG points, man!

 

[LAKings88]

Man you guys are on one today.

Read my posts. This was my response to a question asked about a Drysdale for Turcotte swap.

I have consistently said I like Turcotte as a player since he was drafted.

Im not calling him a bust at all but am noticing a rather strong defense of him.
Perhaps it is because of all the defending Kings fans have done recently of him. He had a year that fell below expectations doesn’t mean he won’t rebound.

I will support the kid as a Kings prospect.

I am high on Drysdale, you can feel free to disagree. I don’t think there is a wide disparity in their worth. I don’t agree with the narrative that Drysdale seems better than he is due to lack of other blue chip defensemen. As I said before, I see things being equal and would rather have the dman given the strength of LAs prospect pool. it’s not personal against Turcotte. That was the ask. Center prospects are a logjam at the moment with another one coming in hot.

Im over this conversation. Feel free to take the last word.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Like shit. We have television down here in LA too, you’re gonna have to keep your disappointments.

Oh well, I tried to dump our Shit on you. Not buying it, huh! Our Tv's up here show us that you all can keep your "shit- gov't" response to a pandemic. Good luck to you all! Flames will continue to marginally suck, until the playoffs. Then show glimpses of better only to duck out quickly again. Good luck with your quest to even have a chance to suck in the playoffs, again sometime soon hopefully. Cheers! Canadian beers get you buzzed faster and some of them are even excellent sipping!
Go Kings Go!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

When you start reaching for needs, you make mistakes like selecting Thomas Hickey over Jakub Voracek, or trading Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen, or Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson. The teams who were at the time desperate for a specific need ended up making costly mistakes in each of those decisions. Better think long and hard before making rash decisions and realize what you're giving up.

 

[Token]

With your ability (LAKs that is) to mold D into excellent Q NHL defenders, how would Sean Monahan(C), Noah Hanifin (LD) and Prospect RW/C "big body" Adam Ruzicka plus Calgary #19 pick OA this year, sound for your #2 OA pick plus JA-D (C), Austin Strand (Rd) prospects and Adrian Kempe(Lw/C) and your 3rd rd 2021.
With #19 pick, you could try for D Brady Schneider, the most NHL ready Dman in this draft, a sure bet decent NHL'er with size, physicality and smarts for making reads in his own end. The "next Adam Foote-like" player projection, IMO.
In Sean Monahan you get a 1C for your 2C spot, with only 3 years left on his 6.375 mil$ per year contract.
He could be more than a "stop-gap", improving your team offense this season starting, while future star Centers get acquainted with the bigs, and gain experience adjusting to the daily grind and improvement in competition. And Monahan could be valued at a resign in 3years ending if he is still producing and a fit here.
In Noah Hanifin you get a young still, experienced top-4 Dman with a very cap friendly, salary controlled contract for 5 years. Prospect A Ruzicka is a big body kid, matured nicely in his 1st AHL season. He has some upside skills, a good skater and plays the body to finish plays while attempting turnovers and go on the offensive attack.
Calgary needs a youth skilled regeneration and any R.H.S. warm bodied Dman. JA-D and A Strand are Calgary natives. Also like Kempe's potential top-6 fit with LW on a Sweet-Swede line with M Backlund at C , and E Lindholm on RW.
The offer plays out as: SMon. + prospect Ruzicka+ D- Noah Hanifin, for #2 OA and prospects JA-D &Austin Strand ( RFA prospect who was undrafted,young FA pick up
), then #19 OA pick for Adrian Kempe.
LAK gets proven, ready-now viable, in their prime or hitting soon, to help and improve now for more potential future possibilities. This could be a start for Calgary's needed future and shake up now.

Only way the Kings trade this 2OA is if Gorton calls up Blake and says: “I’ll trade you the 1OA for the 2OA and a 4th rounder”.

In the salary cap era, you just don’t trade the top-10 no more before the draft.

There is the three years of ELC, 4 years to bridge, and that is worth so much more now days.

Besides, we already have prospect on par or better than Monahan and Hanafin in the pipeline.

Welcome to the rebuild club.

 

[Token]

So this Drysdale kid ... what kind of mojo does he have we haven’t yet seen in Cale Clague?

I look at the two kids stats at D-1 and D years and they both look more or less unremarkable.

I hear he a good skater. Clague skates good as well. What else is magic ???

 

[funky]

I don’t trade Turcotte for Drysdale and I like both kids. I trade Turcotte in a package to Tampa Bay for a proven guy in Sergachev. They are in cap hell, have no top end prospects and a ton of Dman that can play the left side. The kid is gonna be 22 and can sign an 8 year extension. He is not only here now to help the Doughty Kopitar years, he is here 8 years from now still only 30 to help the Byfield, Vilardi etc years.

the thing about us is we can give up a high end prospect if the return is right. Sergachev would be about the best return we could dream of. He plays with size, can add to the offense, has been groomed just about perfect and can step up and defend his teammates.

I frankly overwhelm TB with a trade. We have Turcotte, numerous seconds and thirds and a boatload of defensive prospects.

we can also take back a contract to free up TB to fill their roster and remain competitive.

I don’t want to hear this team isn’t ready for a trade like that because this guy is 22. He is not 25 to 28 with 3 years left. He would be here for the retransition back to glory.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Only way the Kings trade this 2OA is if Gorton calls up Blake and says: “I’ll trade you the 1OA for the 2OA and a 4th rounder”.

In the salary cap era, you just don’t trade the top-10 no more before the draft.

There is the three years of ELC, 4 years to bridge, and that is worth so much more now days.

Besides, we already have prospect on par or better than Monahan and Hanafin in the pipeline.

Welcome to the rebuild club.

Just thought this a viable avenue to up your compete right away with a strong future still in focus and expectant. Also appealing could be the potential present setback to Calgary's immediate compete, forcing them into more mediocrity and a division team in rebuild.

 

[regulate]

Sergachev would be about the best return we could dream of. He plays with size, can add to the offense, has been groomed just about perfect and can step up and defend his teammates.

I frankly overwhelm TB with a trade. We have Turcotte, numerous seconds and thirds and a boatload of defensive prospects.

we can also take back a contract to free up TB to fill their roster and remain competitive.

I don’t want to hear this team isn’t ready for a trade like that because this guy is 22. He is not 25 to 28 with 3 years left. He would be here for the retransition back to glory.

Why not just approach his agent with an offer sheet of $6 million x 7 years and see if there is interest. Keep Turcotte, you give up your 1st and 3rd round pick next season as compensation per the CBA.