Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread

[Peter James Bond III]

Selling low on Turcotte imo and a bad idea.

Those that have The Athletic - there was an article by Lisa Dillman a few weeks go about Alex and his off-season. He's pumped and been working hard off the
ice and training on the ice workouts with Jack Hughes and some others. He said he's never had 6 months off to workout and has added muscle (you can see in the
one photo) and is in the best shape of his life. It's not like he had a bad season at Wisconsin. He did have injury setbacks and not much upper classmen talent
on that team.

He's 19, for cripes sake. I'm excited to see what Wroblewski can do with this young core - Turcotte, Kupari, Thomas, Fagemo, Dudas etc.

 

[Token]

I’m a guess Rob n Todd are gonna stick with the old-school mentality of one rookie per line with two veterans ...

... so we could get something like ...

Turcotte Kopi Brown
Iafallo Vilardi Frk
Kempe Byfield Carter
Grundy Lizzy Wagner

Rotate Amadio and Moore as needed. Any injury rotation gets Luff and JAD some coffee cups, or others that float to the top in Ontario.

It actually don’t look too shabby.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Amadio did not have a great season last year, at all. The dude is almost regressing at this point after finally discovering he actually has a dynamite shot back in pre-season.

I'll give him 10-15 games but if he's a no-show then adios.

 

[Token]

Amadio did not have a great season last year, at all. The dude is almost regressing at this point after finally discovering he actually has a dynamite shot back in pre-season.

I'll give him 10-15 games but if he's a no-show then adios.

It’s a shame. He gave us some flashes of skill but never rounded his game out. Big kid too that doesn’t use his size either.

I had high hopes but he will fade down the list and simply be a transitional player that brings experience but little more.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Random but I'm surprised Rick Nash was never an LA King.

All those years needing a scoring LW'er ; him and Kopi would've been sick.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Amadio was the last pick of the 2014 3rd round, and only 2 other skaters from that round have done anything. TB struck gold with Point, and then Car has Foegele. The only player to do anything within 10 picks up or down of Amadio has been Lucas Wallmark.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Random but I'm surprised Rick Nash was never an LA King.

All those years needing a scoring LW'er ; him and Kopi would've been sick.

Wasn't there that rumor when Brown was going to be traded that it was going to involve Nash?

He was the Jackets franchise player. It took 2 legit players and a 1st for the Rangers to get him. Then he was with the Rangers in the middle of their window when they made the 2nd round, the 3rd round twice, and the Final, in a 4 year span. Up until 17-18 the Rangers were trying to win, and by then he was 33/34 years old, and not what he used to be.

I think surprised is a strong word. Other than that potential moment in 2012, when were they supposed to get him?

 

[LAKings88]

If Drysdale becomes another Hughes or Makar is it selling low on Turcotte?

I like Turcotte but I don’t think he will be Richards 2.0. He is not a scrapper. Kings are loaded with possible centers. #2 pick, Vilardi, JAD, Madden, Kupari, Thomas, Dudas, Lizotte. Turcotte would be dealt from a position of strength. I’m guessing LA would have taken Byram in a heartbeat over Turcotte. I say that liking Turcotte.

I’m happy to keep Turcotte but Drysdale is something LA does not have in the system. A skilled offensive defenseman that skates backwards better than some skate forward.

I wonder how many teams would actually take Turcotte over those picks that Drysdale is available.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Maybe, but that is also just slotting all of our prospects into the roster and we all know how rarely things work out that way. I doubt the Kings would be using them all at the same time period. That roster, if it happens, is still two seasons away at least, and likely some of those guys either bust or get traded in between.

On those notes Telos , what would you think of a trade with Calgary for getting: (C) Sean Monahan,
(LD) Noah Hanifin, for: 1 of Prospect upcoming Centers (Rasmus Kupari, maybe), RD- Prospect Sean Durzi, and a 2020-LAK 3rd, and 2021-1st picks.
Or, C-Jaret Anderson-Dolan, L/RW-Arthur Kaliyev and RD-Austin Strand, prospects.
And 2020 LAK 2nd and 2021 1st.
LAK get a top-2C and a top-4 LD with good term, young still with lots of experience and cost controlled salary.
Calgary needs new, young blood to boost young core and move forward.
2nd version, a couple Cgy natives come home, so to speak. These are very weak on paper return of value proven, for Calgary return but...maybe something around These?
LAK can bring 1 or 2 prospect Centers up right way to learn, grow, experience while having 2 top C's of value and mentoring and producing (Kopitar &Monahan is a _elluva 1-2 punch), never mind the youthful talent coming up!
Lots more instant improvement potential with a strong future still available.

 

[KingsFan7824]

If Drysdale becomes another Hughes or Makar is it selling low on Turcotte?

I like Turcotte but I don’t think he will be Richards 2.0. He is not a scrapper. Kings are loaded with possible centers. #2 pick, Vilardi, JAD, Madden, Kupari, Thomas, Dudas, Lizotte. Turcotte would be dealt from a position of strength. I’m guessing LA would have taken Byram in a heartbeat over Turcotte. I say that liking Turcotte.

I’m happy to keep Turcotte but Drysdale is something LA does not have in the system. A skilled offensive defenseman that skates backwards better than some skate forward.

I wonder how many teams would actually take Turcotte over those picks that Drysdale is available.

Why would someone trade the potential of Drysdale for the potential of Turcotte? How much extra would be needed to be thrown in by the Kings to make up the difference?

 

[LAKings88]

Why would someone trade the potential of Drysdale for the potential of Turcotte? How much extra would be needed to be thrown in by the Kings to make up the difference?

That’s my point, all things equal, defense is usually more desired to fill.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That’s my point, all things equal, defense is usually more desired to fill.

The thing is, it's not all things equal. It's people are low on Turcotte and high on Drysdale. yet it's a gamble for everyone. Is Defense more desired to fill, absolutely. But I think it's a draft philosophy thing for me--the highest end offensive talent comes from the top of the draft and this is a team that's been hungry for offense forever. I don't think Turcotte is as disposable as you suggest at this point.

When we were 4-7 Drysdale was a big want of mine, make no mistake, I think he's gonna be a stud, Duncan Keith lite (or Tyson Barrie on roids). But I think despite offensive prospect depth, this organization isn't in a position to be giving up on big forward talent just yet, even with the #2 pick to replenish it, and even with defense as a clear need. Pick BPA, figure out what you have, then make moves to fill in the blanks. I don't think it's a great idea to fill in the blanks before you even know what either the players OR the blanks are.

 

[Cook24]

Rumors have it that the Coyotes could potentially move OEL...

OEL with Doughty would be amazing. Curious how much it would cost to land him. Or if not OEL, Chychrun? Would probably cost too much seeing as how we’re in the same division...

 

[johnjm22]

Rumors have it that the Coyotes could potentially move OEL...

OEL with Doughty would be amazing. Curious how much it would cost to land him. Or if not OEL, Chychrun? Would probably cost too much seeing as how we’re in the same division...

I think the Kings should stay away from any significant long term contracts right now.

If some of our prospects start hitting (and I assume some will), we're going to want as much long term cap space as possible.

 

[Stimpythecat]

OEL is not going to be the difference between this team and a contender next season. I'd rather spend a season to see which prospects stick at the NHL level and also save the cash that OEL would get had the kings traded for him.

There is a reason no major contracts have been signed or cap dump transactions made so far. Teams are absolutely hurting right now. They are looking to save money everywhere.

Even the Kings with their minimal player payroll have laid off staff and even Rosen.

 

[Token]

That’s my point, all things equal, defense is usually more desired to fill.

Not on the Kings it ain’t.

We turn undrafted or 5-7th round defensemen Into NHL players, and darn good ones ...

... yet we can’t get more than 3 forwards to break 20 goals in a season. And half of them are in their mid-late thirties.

Why in the world would we trade a prospect that’s is ready to put in NHL minutes this upcoming season for a prospect that weighs 150# wet and in gear and has a 3-5 year projection before he is NHL ready?

Add to that next years draft that is D heavy, our chances of being a lottery team very high, and 7 years of Doughty remaining ...

I sense a bit of myopia in your insistence on Drysdale being some wizard wunder-D. He is not. He just the best guy in the draft class super-thin in D.

 

[LAKings88]

Not on the Kings it ain’t.

We turn undrafted or 5-7th round defensemen Into NHL players, and darn good ones ...

... yet we can’t get more than 3 forwards to break 20 goals in a season. And half of them are in their mid-late thirties.

Why in the world would we trade a prospect that’s is ready to put in NHL minutes this upcoming season for a prospect that weighs 150# wet and in gear and has a 3-5 year projection before he is NHL ready?

Add to that next years draft that is D heavy, our chances of being a lottery team very high, and 7 years of Doughty remaining ...

I sense a bit of myopia in your insistence on Drysdale being some wizard wunder-D. He is not. He just the best guy in the draft class super-thin in D.

Drysdale is being knocked because of lack of dmen talent yet he was one of the younger draftees available and played in WJC and didn’t look out of place.

I’d be shocked if Turcotte makes and sticks with the team next season. He’ll be in Ontario this season. I’m not even sure Turcotte will be a legit center in the NHL.

It’s not hard to see a trend in young offensively gifted defensemen and what they are doing in today’s NHL.

Turcotte looks like an all around steady good player. I hope he can be a second line center for LA one day. Not at all disappointed in him being a King. Wasn’t when they drafted him either.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

OEL and Doughty would be great but we're not in the position to overpay for overrated OEL at this point. I'd rather target Hjalmarsson frankly.

Drysdale is being knocked because of lack of dmen talent yet he was one of the younger draftees available and played in WJC and didn’t look out of place.

I’d be shocked if Turcotte makes and sticks with the team next season. He’ll be in Ontario this season. I’m not even sure Turcotte will be a legit center in the NHL.

It’s not hard to see a trend in young offensively gifted defensemen and what they are doing in today’s NHL.

Turcotte looks like an all around steady good player. I hope he can be a second line center for LA one day. Not at all disappointed in him being a King. Wasn’t when they drafted him either.

So this is really based on you thinking Drysdale is a guaranteed Makar and that Turcotte isn't much of an impact guy. That's fine and so it makes sense that you'd make that trade, but then it will also have to make sense to you that others don't feel the same way because they either feel differently about each players value OR because they're not comfortable trading unknown for unknown.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The Kings should trade the #2 overall pick this year for a first rounder next year because there’s a better crop of defensemen available in 2021. Or just take Drysdale at #2 if he’s that good.

 

[kingsboy11]

Its been much harder for the kings to find top tier offensive talent than it has been finding top tier defensemen. Realistically the Kings only have one true winger who has top line potential in Kaliyev and then a couple of maybe top 6 players in Thomas and Kupari. I understand that we've been searching for a top 4 defenseman since Voynov lost his mind, but we've been looking for top 6 players for much longer. Toffoli and Pearson were supposed to be that, but they never really were able to be consistent enough. I think this team has potential to have the best offensive depth in the league if everyone makes it to the NHL.

 

[Stimpythecat]

Bird in the hand...

Next year's pick has the potential to be a good one. Use that pick to get a good defenseman. Keep turcotte and develop the guys we have.

Get a stopgap on a 2 year deal if we must go the UFA route.

 

[GumbyCan2]

I’m a guess Rob n Todd are gonna stick with the old-school mentality of one rookie per line with two veterans ...

... so we could get something like ...

Turcotte Kopi Brown
Iafallo Vilardi Frk
Kempe Byfield Carter
Grundy Lizzy Wagner

Rotate Amadio and Moore as needed. Any injury rotation gets Luff and JAD some coffee cups, or others that float to the top in Ontario.

It actually don’t look too shabby.

How would it look if your 2nd line had Sean Monahan at C, moving Vilardi & Byfield down a notch.
Only having to give up R Kupari-JAD & a pick, or A Kaliyev, and Flames throw in Andrew Mangiapane?

 

[Stimpythecat]

It's too early for a trade of that nature. Monahan is not the difference between the current kings and a contender.

The kings don't know which of the prospects will hit and which ones bust. Next season is evaluating and developing.

 

[cyclones22]

Yep, the Kings offense has ALWAYS been a problem, save for a few seasons. It's why Lombardi traded for impact forwards at the deadline. Even last season, the Kings defense was not the problem. It was the offense, again. The numbers don't lie. So let's trade away one of our highest regarded forward prospects for the chance to draft a puck moving defenseman (and again, it ain't gonna happen - wouldn't it be funny if Sanderson is Yannetti's choice?) because we don't have anyone like him the pipeline?

Drew Doughty has struggled with motivation and maturity that last two seasons, but he's not dead yet. If he doesn't bounce back next season with a decent partner, I'll eat my words. Hopefully this time off and seeing his name lower on the defensemen rankings than he would like will kick him in the butt to return to form. I'd take a young Drew Doughty play-a-like over an Erik Karlsson one every time.

Now everyone needs a Makar or Hughes who are the EK profile? Makar who averaged 6 seconds of PK time a game. Hughes who averaged 2 seconds. Yes, they're rookies, but Doughty averaged 2:58 PK TOI as a 19 year old! I'll take a Heiskanen instead. Someone who actually plays both ways. Maybe not as dynamic game to game as the other 2, but someone who isn't on the bench when trying to kill the clock. If we need a defenseman in the pipeline who plays like a forward, I'd rather just have a dynamic forward.

 

[Bandit]

How would it look if your 2nd line had Sean Monahan at C, moving Vilardi & Byfield down a notch.
Only having to give up R Kupari-JAD & a pick, or A Kaliyev, and Flames throw in Andrew Mangiapane?

Like shit. We have television down here in LA too, you’re gonna have to keep your disappointments.