Wut? Some of us have been looking for toughness and grit for about a year. Toughness and grit doesn't mean no skill. Jeez. The Kings have the assets to get both. Blake just needs to do it. Lombardi didn't build through the draft -- he made hockey trades.
Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread Part IV
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That hit put rats like Burrows and Kesler on full tilt. They were chasing and responding instead of dictating from that moment on. Completely took an important element of their game away, and made a team with a ton of expectations fall in on themselves.
So who are the skilled though gritty players the Kings should trade for?
I’m sure there’s a Trent Hunter and Ethan Monroe players available out there somewhere.
I should state yes I agree this team needs toughness, but who should we get? It’s a lot easier to say we should get this or that than actually come up with ideas past “we should’ve signed Clifford in the off-season”
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Gives me wood every single time.
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AND THEN Brown murdered their captain
That rat Burrows then tried to get Kopitar to fight (though it was more of a wrestling match). I love how Brown mentally rattled all of the Western Conference teams the Kings faced in the playoffs. Must be why Brown is so endearing to rival fans.
For the record I regard Clifford as non-skilled and never had a desire to re-sign him. I've already suggested two players Blake should have or should now go after. Since you didn't actually read my post and you are just making crap up I won't be responding further.
I expect to start seeing character types brought in as early as next year. A lot of the physical hard-nose guys we had were adds, only a few were from the system. Clifford and Nolan really. Brown was obviously physical. Westgarth didn't play much. FA signings and trades filled out the rest.
The league has changed and toughness isn't as important as it used to be, but it's much tougher sledding if you don't have an angry defenseman or two and some cheap-shot artists of your own. I'd love for the Kings to find a guy like Pesce, but they are become a really rare type of player who always get locked up long term. Prospects of that type are getting harder and harder to find because young players tend to emulate what they see in the NHL.
The league has changed and toughness isn't as important as it used to be, but it's much tougher sledding if you don't have an angry defenseman or two and some cheap-shot artists of your own. I'd love for the Kings to find a guy like Pesce, but they are become a really rare type of player who always get locked up long term. Prospects of that type are getting harder and harder to find because young players tend to emulate what they see in the NHL.
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What most are saying is where is our Greenway, M.Foligno, Josh Anderson etc.. ? Big heavy players with some skill and snarl.
Brown is 36 we need to get a replacement power forward or 2.
QB, if he should become such a player, is going to add alot of character and give this team an identity. But that is a big if and we are 3 years away from finding out.
Do we trade for one now? Then who fits the bill? Do we start drafting some bigger skilled players with maybe lower ceilings than smaller skilled players? I guess we'll see what they do .
As an example, if we look in the past for comparables, I'll take a Handzus type on this team in a heart beat over some of the 4th line "prospects" like Lizotte, Amadio.
And add a Simmonds type over Luff.
Just adding those 2 types of players will make this team alot more balanced. Problem is do we trade for them, sign them or draft them? Maybe a combination of all.
Brown is 36 we need to get a replacement power forward or 2.
QB, if he should become such a player, is going to add alot of character and give this team an identity. But that is a big if and we are 3 years away from finding out.
Do we trade for one now? Then who fits the bill? Do we start drafting some bigger skilled players with maybe lower ceilings than smaller skilled players? I guess we'll see what they do .
As an example, if we look in the past for comparables, I'll take a Handzus type on this team in a heart beat over some of the 4th line "prospects" like Lizotte, Amadio.
And add a Simmonds type over Luff.
Just adding those 2 types of players will make this team alot more balanced. Problem is do we trade for them, sign them or draft them? Maybe a combination of all.
Clifford had his key moments. This was big. I don't think the kings win this game without him. And that would change everything.
I’m sorry I didn’t see anything in the post I quoted about players to acquire. If it was an earlier post my mistake.
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This is the only Kings playoff game I've ever attended (we've always lived far away from LA). My Dad applied for the raffle for the opportunity to buy 2 tickets at face value without telling me, and by some miracle he got through.
I remember three main things from this game: how quiet the building was after going down 0-2, how loud the building was after Doughty's tying goal, and how earth-shatteringly loud it was after Williams won it. Thanks for reminding me it was Cliffy who got it going for us.
No problem! Last spring I wanted Blake to go after UFA Brenden Dillon even though he was 30. More recently, Mattias Ekholm (supposedly being shopped and also 30). These guys are big strong mobile LHD's that are good enough for the top pair (w/DD). I give Mikey Anderson all the credit in the world for his play but he isn't big and strong enough for his role. Contrary to the conventional wisdom, defensemen don't die off at 30.
I have no idea what Blake is thinking when he's looking for a dynamic LHD under 25. Don't we have like 10 of them already? I want to see him start filling holes (where there is no one coming up) and make some gutsy trades like Deano. If he has to overpay then so be it (think Vish for Greene/Stoll). He has tons of assets. He needs to start being aggressive. I hope fear isn't holding him back from pulling the trigger.
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Seeing Carter take the puck to the net like that is a sight to behold. I think we've all forgotten how effective he was.
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(1) I agree with the sentiment that, ideally, it should not be "just" one player; the young 'uns should hopefully develop a bit of grit and truculence to their respective games. Now, the question is: will that happen without the vets showing them the way (since the current Kings' vets don't seem particularly inclined to do so)?
(2) RE: Clifford. I wouldn't have minded him back, but I'm not "sad" he's not around anymore, especially given that the bottom six appears to finally be getting some effectiveness again. OTOH, saying he was "bad" in the 2014 playoffs is something I strongly disagree with; in fact, you can make a reasonable case they don't win Rangers series without him. Don't take my word for that; Nick Nickson (basically) said the same thing back then...
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(2) RE: Clifford. I wouldn't have minded him back, but I'm not "sad" he's not around anymore, especially given that the bottom six appears to finally be getting some effectiveness again. OTOH, saying he was "bad" in the 2014 playoffs is something I strongly disagree with; in fact, you can make a reasonable case they don't win Rangers series without him. Don't take my word for that; Nick Nickson (basically) said the same thing back then...
EDIT: I cannot spell today.
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Oh, this?
This was the only live game I could attend during this run, and it was f***ing glorious. We were in super close proximity to a huge chunk of Canucks fans, too.
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Interesting situation for the Kings, borderline playoff team...maybe, maybe not.
Blake seems to value high iq, quick thinking players and Toddfather has a system for those players. Correct me if I’m wrong but Todd has been running sort of a mesh of the previous staffs system and his last season. This season it’s all Todd’s system.
I think Todd wants to see more spark and speed in all four lines. I see them making a trade for an AA, Grundstrom type player or defenseman like Oliver Kylington. I don’t see them going for a player whose main trait are being a goon, has grit etc.
They weren’t interested in any of that last off-season or at any point of the Bluc tenure (maybe Phaneuf).
Blake seems to value high iq, quick thinking players and Toddfather has a system for those players. Correct me if I’m wrong but Todd has been running sort of a mesh of the previous staffs system and his last season. This season it’s all Todd’s system.
I think Todd wants to see more spark and speed in all four lines. I see them making a trade for an AA, Grundstrom type player or defenseman like Oliver Kylington. I don’t see them going for a player whose main trait are being a goon, has grit etc.
They weren’t interested in any of that last off-season or at any point of the Bluc tenure (maybe Phaneuf).
BigKing
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That's kind of my point: they aren't easy to find. Garbage dudes like Nate Thompson, sure, but not good ones.
That is why I bemoan the lack of toughness and grit in the pipeline. I'm not asking for Rick Tocchet (would be awesome though) but someone with a bad attitude and a chip on their shoulder would be nice. Do these players not exist anymore or is Blake not willing to maybe reach on it like Lombardi was?
Seriously though, we've got posters just asking for someone to pull a guy off of a pile: not fight Bob Probert. Nobody likes to think their favorite team is a bunch of p***yes but that's where we are at. Nobody likes to think their favorite team is dirty either but it was a lot more fun when everyone else thought the Kings were.
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Little bit of column A, little bit of column B imo
Which is why these players will likely be OVERvalued in coming drafts/days, Jake Neighbors for example
The real toughness came from guys like Greene, Mitchell, O’Donnell and RR.
Nolan was tough, King was big, Penner was big, Clifford at one time was a beast but cooled it after injuries really.
Those dmen retired and the forwards are basically plugs or out of the league.
There is a difference between being tough to play against and a goon.
Nolan was tough, King was big, Penner was big, Clifford at one time was a beast but cooled it after injuries really.
Those dmen retired and the forwards are basically plugs or out of the league.
There is a difference between being tough to play against and a goon.
I liked Dillion, Ekholm would be great but worried about cost and expansion. I think Blake should hit up Goodrow in the off-season. Maybe go after Cizikas or Adam Lowry though I doubt either leave their teams. Maybe Gudas on the backend or maybe if the Flames decide to trade pieces they’ll part with Tanev in the off-season even though he just signed.
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